BB Technique on Bench Press Q's

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]BroMontana wrote:
I played D1 Football for 3 years until i tore my acl for the 2nd time, i may try out next year in the nfl combine.

I like my training to be similar to this NX Level Intro - YouTube i wouldn’t call that power lifting, or bb… [/quote]

I’d call it football training…[/quote]

that is a mix of PL,OL,intense cardio but NO BBING…[/quote]

Ohmygod you are not getting this.

ok, i try to explain…

It isn’t PL training, because they’re not training for a powerlifting meet.

If I train bench with elbows tucked,firing all my body muscles to generate how much kws (kilowatts) I can to lift biggest weight I could handle I’m doing PL.
no matter if I attend to a PL meet,I’m using PL tecniques.
same for wide stance squat…

It’s not Olympic training, because they aren’t competing in Olympic lifting.

well, football players do a lot of OL tecniques; snatch,clean and jerk.
to learn how to fire how many muscles in the shortest time possible (starting/explosive strenght).
again,they use OL tecniques without attending to Olympics games…

It’s not BBing, because they’re not competing in BBing shows.

so,I know people who have been training bbing for 15years and they don’t want to go BBing shows.
strange,they look like bbers :slight_smile:
maybe they aren’t what they look like???

It’s not crossfit, because they aren’t doing crossfit competitions. IT’S FOOTBALL TRAINING BECAUSE THEY’RE TRAINING FOR FOOTBALL!

Would you tell an Olympic sprinter who just did a widowmaker set of squats that he’s training like a bodybuilder? No, because that’s not what he’s using it for! It’s a tool for his sprinting training, so it’s sprint training. [/quote]

not so sure that sprinters (10-20’ of maximum effort ON THE FIELD ) use a widowmaker…

just one note,
many of NFL teams has to be very stupid to have Simmons for strenght consultant as
NFL teams don’t attend to PowerLifting meets…

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[quote]BroMontana wrote:

[quote]arramzy wrote:

[quote]BroMontana wrote:
Ok, I am very familiar with strength training technique, thumb distance from smooth, elbows in, wrists straight, shoulder blades pulled together, shoulders sheathed. However I have an under developed chest in my opinion when it comes to size. I obviously cant put up as much weight when i get out wider and use BB form when it comes to bench press. Any tips or advice you could give me? I want to get stronger AND bigger but i feel like it’s going to be one or the other… im frustrated.[/quote]

I am very confused as to how ‘strength training technique’ involves holding the bar ‘thumb distance from smooth’ and how you ‘obviously cant put up as much weight when I get out wider’.

This is so insanely innacurate I am puzzled… For ‘strength technique’ or powerlifting, the optimal position is as wide as is legal!!! Pointers on the 81cm rings. Almost every single person benching at worlds benches holding the bar like this. As far as putting up the most weight, when you have your hands out wider you should be able to bench more. And as far a BB technique, IMO if you can bench double bodyweight one day (through powerlifting) your chest is going to be larger than most bodybuilders of the same bodyweight.

As far as stronger or bigger… Not true. Train hard with decent volume and you will gain size and strength. I have gained 45lb in the past 2 years training nothing but powerlifting style. And my bodyfat has probably gone up MAYBE 1-2%.[/quote]

I am trying to build FUNCTIONAL strength, I don’t consider powerlifting very functional. Bodybuilding is more functional than PL and Football training is more functional than BB and so on. I am just trying to build a large chest while training for functional strength at the same time. Thats as simple as i can put it.
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Holy shit… BB is more functional than powerlifting??? So let me get this straight: being large without any worry as to being able to be strong, is more functional than focusing on moving the largest weights while maintaining a reasonable size???

Yup, a 280lb guy who can squat 300lb is WAYYY more functional than someone like me who is 205lb but can squat well into the 600’s… Honestly just stop and think for a minute…

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[quote]arramzy wrote:

[quote]BroMontana wrote:

[quote]arramzy wrote:

[quote]BroMontana wrote:
Ok, I am very familiar with strength training technique, thumb distance from smooth, elbows in, wrists straight, shoulder blades pulled together, shoulders sheathed. However I have an under developed chest in my opinion when it comes to size. I obviously cant put up as much weight when i get out wider and use BB form when it comes to bench press. Any tips or advice you could give me? I want to get stronger AND bigger but i feel like it’s going to be one or the other… im frustrated.[/quote]

I am very confused as to how ‘strength training technique’ involves holding the bar ‘thumb distance from smooth’ and how you ‘obviously cant put up as much weight when I get out wider’.

This is so insanely innacurate I am puzzled… For ‘strength technique’ or powerlifting, the optimal position is as wide as is legal!!! Pointers on the 81cm rings. Almost every single person benching at worlds benches holding the bar like this. As far as putting up the most weight, when you have your hands out wider you should be able to bench more. And as far a BB technique, IMO if you can bench double bodyweight one day (through powerlifting) your chest is going to be larger than most bodybuilders of the same bodyweight.

As far as stronger or bigger… Not true. Train hard with decent volume and you will gain size and strength. I have gained 45lb in the past 2 years training nothing but powerlifting style. And my bodyfat has probably gone up MAYBE 1-2%.[/quote]

I am trying to build FUNCTIONAL strength, I don’t consider powerlifting very functional. Bodybuilding is more functional than PL and Football training is more functional than BB and so on. I am just trying to build a large chest while training for functional strength at the same time. Thats as simple as i can put it.
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Holy shit… BB is more functional than powerlifting??? So let me get this straight: being large without any worry as to being able to be strong, is more functional than focusing on moving the largest weights while maintaining a reasonable size???

Yup, a 280lb guy who can squat 300lb is WAYYY more functional than someone like me who is 205lb but can squat well into the 600’s… Honestly just stop and think for a minute…[/quote]

I agree 110% with you on functionality thing but…
a 280lb guy (decent fat%) who trains with 400lb squat gets more appeal (NO homo)

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[quote]buzza wrote:
just one note,
many of NFL teams has to be very stupid to have Simmons for strenght consultant as
NFL teams don’t attend to PowerLifting meets…[/quote]

He can’t apply his decades of coaching people to get batshit strong to another sport where strength is “pretty” important?

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[quote]plateau wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:
just one note,
many of NFL teams has to be very stupid to have Simmons for strenght consultant as
NFL teams don’t attend to PowerLifting meets…[/quote]

He can’t apply his decades of coaching people to get batshit strong to another sport where strength is “pretty” important?[/quote]

m8,
it was just irony LOL

as you know better than me NFL financial turnover is HUGE so call it “stupid” to have LOUIE SIMMONS as strenght coach is just a non-sense to reply that if one trains PLing way but don’t attend to a PLing meet he is NOT a PLer.
any strenght sport ,very IMO, is heavy linked to PL/OL; american football,rugby, shotput,hammer trows,discus,sprinters,olimpic sledge-pushers (huge!).

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[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]plateau wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:
just one note,
many of NFL teams has to be very stupid to have Simmons for strenght consultant as
NFL teams don’t attend to PowerLifting meets…[/quote]

He can’t apply his decades of coaching people to get batshit strong to another sport where strength is “pretty” important?[/quote]

m8,
it was just irony LOL

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Sorry buddy!