[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Batman fucks up Superman in The Dark Knight Returns, might want to take note of that Tony…[/quote]
not canon[/quote]
Not canon? according to whom?[/quote]
DC Comics
It depends. If they meet randomly and have no prior knowledge of each other, Ironman trumps Batman.
Ironman has anti-emp properties to his suit, it wouldn’t be so simple for Batman just to hit him with some random electrical gadget. In which case, there’s probably nothing Batman can do at that point, without knowing his weaknesses ahead of time (he knows all the Justice League’s weaknesses, but Marvel characters are unknown to him, so it’s a whole different ball game), except escape and come up with a plan for their next meeting (which he does quite often with enemies).
In terms of engineering and weapons, Stark (it’s not Starks, by the way, DB, drop the s) demolishes Batman. On the flip side, in terms of strategy and fighting ability, Batman has very few rivals in either Marvel or DC. Money is no issue for either of them, but I feel like some are underestimating Stark’s genius and thinking Wayne would just be able to “out-intelligence” him by hacking into his suit or something along those lines, not the case. Stark’s biggest strength is his intelligence, which is where the suit comes from in the first place.
By the time there’s a second meeting, Batman would have devised a way to bet Iron Man. That’s why I say it depends.
This is similar to the Batman vs. Wolverine thread we had a long time ago.
This is easy. Batman would send cat woman in to bang Stark and take the suit.
[quote]four60 wrote:
This is easy. Batman would send cat woman in to bang Stark and take the suit.[/quote]
ain’t even mad
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
This is similar to the Batman vs. Wolverine thread we had a long time ago.[/quote]
Really depends on the context. Face to face with no prep and no BFR allowed, there’s no way in hell that Batman wins.
[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Iron man, the only way batman would have a chance is if Tony Stark used one of his older armors and that would still be iffy. The Extremis armor that tony stark uses has night vision as well as a heartbeat sensor so stealth isnt an option which is Batmans only real advantage. The Extremis armor also has a emp emitter so presumably the armor is emp shielded. Besides Tony Stark has gone toe to toe with the hulk, not to mention the Asgardians i doubt that a man who has taken on gods would have much trouble with some emo guy in a fetish suit who hunts poor people for sport.[/quote]
Batman takes on Superman all the time.
Besides, Ironman is just a bunch of cheap bullshit and an obvious copy of Batman. Don’t underestimate the mindset of someone who hunts other human for sport.
The likely scenario here is that Batman would be the one going after Ironman, assuming Ironman didn’t just fall out of some other dimension and into Gotham City one night. Batman would always be extremely suspicious of a guy like Starks. So as long as Starks didn’t just fall out of another dimension and Batman was aware of his existence already, Batman would undoubtedly have some sort of plan for dealing with Ironman. The only reason they would clash is if Ironman got out of line and was some sort of threat, or potentially stood in Batman’s way.
I would guess that Wayne Enterprises would engage in some corporate espionage targeted at Starks Industries. The likelihood is that Batman would actually be going after Ironman in an another Ironman suit. Batman would probably make some Bat-specific adjustments to the suit, perhaps upgraded night vision capabilities of some sort, but there is simply no way Batman is stupid enough to go to battle against Ironman without a suit of his own that puts him on equal footing with Ironman. And if the playing field is leveled in respect to the suits, Starks is at a very large disadvantage in literally every other way possible.
Take away the Ironman suit and Starks is a nobody. Take away the Batsuit and Wayne is still someone who gets off on hunting people at night. [/quote]
I agree with everything you have said so far. But I think we have to throw a variable in there. Is the fight something that batman knows is coming or is it just a random encounter that happens all of a sudden? While I do think that Batman will plan for any eventuality, including taking on Ironman, will he have those resources ready to go anytime, anywhere?
Batman would definitively destroy Ironman, but what if it was a chance encounter while he was at dinner? Would Batman be ready at that particular time and place?[/quote]
Batman has true stealth though. If ironman breaks into Batman’s mansion, chances are Bruce sneaks away before ironman finds him. Then after ironman searches the place and turns up nothing, he leaves empty handed and goes back to his mansion where Batman is already waiting for him in the shadows
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Iron man, the only way batman would have a chance is if Tony Stark used one of his older armors and that would still be iffy. The Extremis armor that tony stark uses has night vision as well as a heartbeat sensor so stealth isnt an option which is Batmans only real advantage. The Extremis armor also has a emp emitter so presumably the armor is emp shielded. Besides Tony Stark has gone toe to toe with the hulk, not to mention the Asgardians i doubt that a man who has taken on gods would have much trouble with some emo guy in a fetish suit who hunts poor people for sport.[/quote]
Batman takes on Superman all the time.
Besides, Ironman is just a bunch of cheap bullshit and an obvious copy of Batman. Don’t underestimate the mindset of someone who hunts other human for sport.
The likely scenario here is that Batman would be the one going after Ironman, assuming Ironman didn’t just fall out of some other dimension and into Gotham City one night. Batman would always be extremely suspicious of a guy like Starks. So as long as Starks didn’t just fall out of another dimension and Batman was aware of his existence already, Batman would undoubtedly have some sort of plan for dealing with Ironman. The only reason they would clash is if Ironman got out of line and was some sort of threat, or potentially stood in Batman’s way.
I would guess that Wayne Enterprises would engage in some corporate espionage targeted at Starks Industries. The likelihood is that Batman would actually be going after Ironman in an another Ironman suit. Batman would probably make some Bat-specific adjustments to the suit, perhaps upgraded night vision capabilities of some sort, but there is simply no way Batman is stupid enough to go to battle against Ironman without a suit of his own that puts him on equal footing with Ironman. And if the playing field is leveled in respect to the suits, Starks is at a very large disadvantage in literally every other way possible.
Take away the Ironman suit and Starks is a nobody. Take away the Batsuit and Wayne is still someone who gets off on hunting people at night. [/quote]
I agree with everything you have said so far. But I think we have to throw a variable in there. Is the fight something that batman knows is coming or is it just a random encounter that happens all of a sudden? While I do think that Batman will plan for any eventuality, including taking on Ironman, will he have those resources ready to go anytime, anywhere?
Batman would definitively destroy Ironman, but what if it was a chance encounter while he was at dinner? Would Batman be ready at that particular time and place?[/quote]
Batman has true stealth though. If ironman breaks into Batman’s mansion, chances are Bruce sneaks away before ironman finds him. Then after ironman searches the place and turns up nothing, he leaves empty handed and goes back to his mansion where Batman is already waiting for him in the shadows
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Jarvis
[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Iron man, the only way batman would have a chance is if Tony Stark used one of his older armors and that would still be iffy. The Extremis armor that tony stark uses has night vision as well as a heartbeat sensor so stealth isnt an option which is Batmans only real advantage. The Extremis armor also has a emp emitter so presumably the armor is emp shielded. Besides Tony Stark has gone toe to toe with the hulk, not to mention the Asgardians i doubt that a man who has taken on gods would have much trouble with some emo guy in a fetish suit who hunts poor people for sport.[/quote]
Batman takes on Superman all the time.
Besides, Ironman is just a bunch of cheap bullshit and an obvious copy of Batman. Don’t underestimate the mindset of someone who hunts other human for sport.
The likely scenario here is that Batman would be the one going after Ironman, assuming Ironman didn’t just fall out of some other dimension and into Gotham City one night. Batman would always be extremely suspicious of a guy like Starks. So as long as Starks didn’t just fall out of another dimension and Batman was aware of his existence already, Batman would undoubtedly have some sort of plan for dealing with Ironman. The only reason they would clash is if Ironman got out of line and was some sort of threat, or potentially stood in Batman’s way.
I would guess that Wayne Enterprises would engage in some corporate espionage targeted at Starks Industries. The likelihood is that Batman would actually be going after Ironman in an another Ironman suit. Batman would probably make some Bat-specific adjustments to the suit, perhaps upgraded night vision capabilities of some sort, but there is simply no way Batman is stupid enough to go to battle against Ironman without a suit of his own that puts him on equal footing with Ironman. And if the playing field is leveled in respect to the suits, Starks is at a very large disadvantage in literally every other way possible.
Take away the Ironman suit and Starks is a nobody. Take away the Batsuit and Wayne is still someone who gets off on hunting people at night. [/quote]
I agree with everything you have said so far. But I think we have to throw a variable in there. Is the fight something that batman knows is coming or is it just a random encounter that happens all of a sudden? While I do think that Batman will plan for any eventuality, including taking on Ironman, will he have those resources ready to go anytime, anywhere?
Batman would definitively destroy Ironman, but what if it was a chance encounter while he was at dinner? Would Batman be ready at that particular time and place?[/quote]
Why would there be a chance encounter? I think that if there were to be any sort of confrontation, it would result from one of them getting completely out of line. If it’s Batman getting out of line and Stark comes after him, I can’t imagine any sort of scenario in which someone like Stark gets the drop on Batman. Stark is smart, but he’s a tech guy, not a strategic thinker. If he exists in Batman’s world or vice versa, and Batman is up to no good for whatever reason, Batman WILL be aware that Stark might come after him. He’s a master tactician and Stark simply isn’t in the same league as Batman in that respect. So if Stark goes after Batman, Batman will essentially be waiting for him anyways. In fact, Batman would probably preemptively go after Stark anyways, in which case Stark would be fucked.
And if Stark were out of line and it was Batman who decided to put him in his place, Stark would have ZERO chance against Batman. You can’t give a guy like Batman the opportunity to plan for something like taking down Ironman, because he WILL come up with the perfect plan to neutralize Stark and he has the acumen to carry out the plan as well. I would imagine that Batman would simply construct his own version of the Ironman suit based on prototypes of Stark’s that Batman steals from him without Stark’s knowledge. If Stark doesn’t even know that Batman has come up with his own Ironman-type suit there’s no way that Stark can mitigate that by coming up with something better to combat Batman.
And it’s not like the Ironman suit is unique. It’s not a superpower and it’s not even something like what Batman has developed. You can’t steal Batman’s prowess from him. You can steal all his machines and all that, but you’re still left with possibly the best hand-to-hand fighter in the DC universe and a guy with a virtually unparalleled mind. Take away the suit from Stark and you’re left with a tech geek consumed by his own hubris. If you can get an Ironman suit of your own, you’ve completely taken away the one thing that Stark has going for him. Put the suit in the hands of someone like Batman and you have someone who Stark wishes he could be but never will. And Batman is probably the one guy most capable of getting his hands on his own Ironman suit and putting it to good use.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Iron man, the only way batman would have a chance is if Tony Stark used one of his older armors and that would still be iffy. The Extremis armor that tony stark uses has night vision as well as a heartbeat sensor so stealth isnt an option which is Batmans only real advantage. The Extremis armor also has a emp emitter so presumably the armor is emp shielded. Besides Tony Stark has gone toe to toe with the hulk, not to mention the Asgardians i doubt that a man who has taken on gods would have much trouble with some emo guy in a fetish suit who hunts poor people for sport.[/quote]
Batman takes on Superman all the time.
Besides, Ironman is just a bunch of cheap bullshit and an obvious copy of Batman. Don’t underestimate the mindset of someone who hunts other human for sport.
The likely scenario here is that Batman would be the one going after Ironman, assuming Ironman didn’t just fall out of some other dimension and into Gotham City one night. Batman would always be extremely suspicious of a guy like Starks. So as long as Starks didn’t just fall out of another dimension and Batman was aware of his existence already, Batman would undoubtedly have some sort of plan for dealing with Ironman. The only reason they would clash is if Ironman got out of line and was some sort of threat, or potentially stood in Batman’s way.
I would guess that Wayne Enterprises would engage in some corporate espionage targeted at Starks Industries. The likelihood is that Batman would actually be going after Ironman in an another Ironman suit. Batman would probably make some Bat-specific adjustments to the suit, perhaps upgraded night vision capabilities of some sort, but there is simply no way Batman is stupid enough to go to battle against Ironman without a suit of his own that puts him on equal footing with Ironman. And if the playing field is leveled in respect to the suits, Starks is at a very large disadvantage in literally every other way possible.
Take away the Ironman suit and Starks is a nobody. Take away the Batsuit and Wayne is still someone who gets off on hunting people at night. [/quote]
I agree with everything you have said so far. But I think we have to throw a variable in there. Is the fight something that batman knows is coming or is it just a random encounter that happens all of a sudden? While I do think that Batman will plan for any eventuality, including taking on Ironman, will he have those resources ready to go anytime, anywhere?
Batman would definitively destroy Ironman, but what if it was a chance encounter while he was at dinner? Would Batman be ready at that particular time and place?[/quote]
Batman has true stealth though. If ironman breaks into Batman’s mansion, chances are Bruce sneaks away before ironman finds him. Then after ironman searches the place and turns up nothing, he leaves empty handed and goes back to his mansion where Batman is already waiting for him in the shadows
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Jarvis[/quote]
I don’t think Jarvis could stop Batman from getting in. He would certainly alert tony of an intruder. However i think batman could subvert Jarvis in a few ways once he’s inside. Jarvis isn’t all knowing, he would still have to rely on peripheral sensors to be aware of anything; Batman could knock some of them out once inside and create blind spots
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Iron man, the only way batman would have a chance is if Tony Stark used one of his older armors and that would still be iffy. The Extremis armor that tony stark uses has night vision as well as a heartbeat sensor so stealth isnt an option which is Batmans only real advantage. The Extremis armor also has a emp emitter so presumably the armor is emp shielded. Besides Tony Stark has gone toe to toe with the hulk, not to mention the Asgardians i doubt that a man who has taken on gods would have much trouble with some emo guy in a fetish suit who hunts poor people for sport.[/quote]
Batman takes on Superman all the time.
Besides, Ironman is just a bunch of cheap bullshit and an obvious copy of Batman. Don’t underestimate the mindset of someone who hunts other human for sport.
The likely scenario here is that Batman would be the one going after Ironman, assuming Ironman didn’t just fall out of some other dimension and into Gotham City one night. Batman would always be extremely suspicious of a guy like Starks. So as long as Starks didn’t just fall out of another dimension and Batman was aware of his existence already, Batman would undoubtedly have some sort of plan for dealing with Ironman. The only reason they would clash is if Ironman got out of line and was some sort of threat, or potentially stood in Batman’s way.
I would guess that Wayne Enterprises would engage in some corporate espionage targeted at Starks Industries. The likelihood is that Batman would actually be going after Ironman in an another Ironman suit. Batman would probably make some Bat-specific adjustments to the suit, perhaps upgraded night vision capabilities of some sort, but there is simply no way Batman is stupid enough to go to battle against Ironman without a suit of his own that puts him on equal footing with Ironman. And if the playing field is leveled in respect to the suits, Starks is at a very large disadvantage in literally every other way possible.
Take away the Ironman suit and Starks is a nobody. Take away the Batsuit and Wayne is still someone who gets off on hunting people at night. [/quote]
I agree with everything you have said so far. But I think we have to throw a variable in there. Is the fight something that batman knows is coming or is it just a random encounter that happens all of a sudden? While I do think that Batman will plan for any eventuality, including taking on Ironman, will he have those resources ready to go anytime, anywhere?
Batman would definitively destroy Ironman, but what if it was a chance encounter while he was at dinner? Would Batman be ready at that particular time and place?[/quote]
Batman has true stealth though. If ironman breaks into Batman’s mansion, chances are Bruce sneaks away before ironman finds him. Then after ironman searches the place and turns up nothing, he leaves empty handed and goes back to his mansion where Batman is already waiting for him in the shadows
[/quote]
Jarvis[/quote]
Batman hacks Jarvis, has ironman suit rape Stark, the end…
[quote]four60 wrote:
This is easy. Batman would send cat woman in to bang Stark and take the suit.[/quote]
That’s the true genious right there
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Iron man, the only way batman would have a chance is if Tony Stark used one of his older armors and that would still be iffy. The Extremis armor that tony stark uses has night vision as well as a heartbeat sensor so stealth isnt an option which is Batmans only real advantage. The Extremis armor also has a emp emitter so presumably the armor is emp shielded. Besides Tony Stark has gone toe to toe with the hulk, not to mention the Asgardians i doubt that a man who has taken on gods would have much trouble with some emo guy in a fetish suit who hunts poor people for sport.[/quote]
Batman takes on Superman all the time.
Besides, Ironman is just a bunch of cheap bullshit and an obvious copy of Batman. Don’t underestimate the mindset of someone who hunts other human for sport.
The likely scenario here is that Batman would be the one going after Ironman, assuming Ironman didn’t just fall out of some other dimension and into Gotham City one night. Batman would always be extremely suspicious of a guy like Starks. So as long as Starks didn’t just fall out of another dimension and Batman was aware of his existence already, Batman would undoubtedly have some sort of plan for dealing with Ironman. The only reason they would clash is if Ironman got out of line and was some sort of threat, or potentially stood in Batman’s way.
I would guess that Wayne Enterprises would engage in some corporate espionage targeted at Starks Industries. The likelihood is that Batman would actually be going after Ironman in an another Ironman suit. Batman would probably make some Bat-specific adjustments to the suit, perhaps upgraded night vision capabilities of some sort, but there is simply no way Batman is stupid enough to go to battle against Ironman without a suit of his own that puts him on equal footing with Ironman. And if the playing field is leveled in respect to the suits, Starks is at a very large disadvantage in literally every other way possible.
Take away the Ironman suit and Starks is a nobody. Take away the Batsuit and Wayne is still someone who gets off on hunting people at night. [/quote]
I agree with everything you have said so far. But I think we have to throw a variable in there. Is the fight something that batman knows is coming or is it just a random encounter that happens all of a sudden? While I do think that Batman will plan for any eventuality, including taking on Ironman, will he have those resources ready to go anytime, anywhere?
Batman would definitively destroy Ironman, but what if it was a chance encounter while he was at dinner? Would Batman be ready at that particular time and place?[/quote]
Batman has true stealth though. If ironman breaks into Batman’s mansion, chances are Bruce sneaks away before ironman finds him. Then after ironman searches the place and turns up nothing, he leaves empty handed and goes back to his mansion where Batman is already waiting for him in the shadows
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Stark has technology that would be able to find Batman. He wouldn’t be able to hide if Stark wants to find him. The vice versa is true, also.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Iron man, the only way batman would have a chance is if Tony Stark used one of his older armors and that would still be iffy. The Extremis armor that tony stark uses has night vision as well as a heartbeat sensor so stealth isnt an option which is Batmans only real advantage. The Extremis armor also has a emp emitter so presumably the armor is emp shielded. Besides Tony Stark has gone toe to toe with the hulk, not to mention the Asgardians i doubt that a man who has taken on gods would have much trouble with some emo guy in a fetish suit who hunts poor people for sport.[/quote]
Batman takes on Superman all the time.
Besides, Ironman is just a bunch of cheap bullshit and an obvious copy of Batman. Don’t underestimate the mindset of someone who hunts other human for sport.
The likely scenario here is that Batman would be the one going after Ironman, assuming Ironman didn’t just fall out of some other dimension and into Gotham City one night. Batman would always be extremely suspicious of a guy like Starks. So as long as Starks didn’t just fall out of another dimension and Batman was aware of his existence already, Batman would undoubtedly have some sort of plan for dealing with Ironman. The only reason they would clash is if Ironman got out of line and was some sort of threat, or potentially stood in Batman’s way.
I would guess that Wayne Enterprises would engage in some corporate espionage targeted at Starks Industries. The likelihood is that Batman would actually be going after Ironman in an another Ironman suit. Batman would probably make some Bat-specific adjustments to the suit, perhaps upgraded night vision capabilities of some sort, but there is simply no way Batman is stupid enough to go to battle against Ironman without a suit of his own that puts him on equal footing with Ironman. And if the playing field is leveled in respect to the suits, Starks is at a very large disadvantage in literally every other way possible.
Take away the Ironman suit and Starks is a nobody. Take away the Batsuit and Wayne is still someone who gets off on hunting people at night. [/quote]
I agree with everything you have said so far. But I think we have to throw a variable in there. Is the fight something that batman knows is coming or is it just a random encounter that happens all of a sudden? While I do think that Batman will plan for any eventuality, including taking on Ironman, will he have those resources ready to go anytime, anywhere?
Batman would definitively destroy Ironman, but what if it was a chance encounter while he was at dinner? Would Batman be ready at that particular time and place?[/quote]
Batman has true stealth though. If ironman breaks into Batman’s mansion, chances are Bruce sneaks away before ironman finds him. Then after ironman searches the place and turns up nothing, he leaves empty handed and goes back to his mansion where Batman is already waiting for him in the shadows
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Jarvis[/quote]
Batman hacks Jarvis, has ironman suit rape Stark, the end…[/quote]
That’s one of Stark’s strong points. It wouldn’t be that simple. Batman wouldn’t be able to simply hack the Iron Man suit. Of course, if you’re in love with Batman, like many are, you probably think he’d be able to.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Iron man, the only way batman would have a chance is if Tony Stark used one of his older armors and that would still be iffy. The Extremis armor that tony stark uses has night vision as well as a heartbeat sensor so stealth isnt an option which is Batmans only real advantage. The Extremis armor also has a emp emitter so presumably the armor is emp shielded. Besides Tony Stark has gone toe to toe with the hulk, not to mention the Asgardians i doubt that a man who has taken on gods would have much trouble with some emo guy in a fetish suit who hunts poor people for sport.[/quote]
Batman takes on Superman all the time.
Besides, Ironman is just a bunch of cheap bullshit and an obvious copy of Batman. Don’t underestimate the mindset of someone who hunts other human for sport.
The likely scenario here is that Batman would be the one going after Ironman, assuming Ironman didn’t just fall out of some other dimension and into Gotham City one night. Batman would always be extremely suspicious of a guy like Starks. So as long as Starks didn’t just fall out of another dimension and Batman was aware of his existence already, Batman would undoubtedly have some sort of plan for dealing with Ironman. The only reason they would clash is if Ironman got out of line and was some sort of threat, or potentially stood in Batman’s way.
I would guess that Wayne Enterprises would engage in some corporate espionage targeted at Starks Industries. The likelihood is that Batman would actually be going after Ironman in an another Ironman suit. Batman would probably make some Bat-specific adjustments to the suit, perhaps upgraded night vision capabilities of some sort, but there is simply no way Batman is stupid enough to go to battle against Ironman without a suit of his own that puts him on equal footing with Ironman. And if the playing field is leveled in respect to the suits, Starks is at a very large disadvantage in literally every other way possible.
Take away the Ironman suit and Starks is a nobody. Take away the Batsuit and Wayne is still someone who gets off on hunting people at night. [/quote]
I agree with everything you have said so far. But I think we have to throw a variable in there. Is the fight something that batman knows is coming or is it just a random encounter that happens all of a sudden? While I do think that Batman will plan for any eventuality, including taking on Ironman, will he have those resources ready to go anytime, anywhere?
Batman would definitively destroy Ironman, but what if it was a chance encounter while he was at dinner? Would Batman be ready at that particular time and place?[/quote]
Why would there be a chance encounter? I think that if there were to be any sort of confrontation, it would result from one of them getting completely out of line. If it’s Batman getting out of line and Stark comes after him, I can’t imagine any sort of scenario in which someone like Stark gets the drop on Batman. Stark is smart, but he’s a tech guy, not a strategic thinker. If he exists in Batman’s world or vice versa, and Batman is up to no good for whatever reason, Batman WILL be aware that Stark might come after him. He’s a master tactician and Stark simply isn’t in the same league as Batman in that respect. So if Stark goes after Batman, Batman will essentially be waiting for him anyways. In fact, Batman would probably preemptively go after Stark anyways, in which case Stark would be fucked.
And if Stark were out of line and it was Batman who decided to put him in his place, Stark would have ZERO chance against Batman. You can’t give a guy like Batman the opportunity to plan for something like taking down Ironman, because he WILL come up with the perfect plan to neutralize Stark and he has the acumen to carry out the plan as well. I would imagine that Batman would simply construct his own version of the Ironman suit based on prototypes of Stark’s that Batman steals from him without Stark’s knowledge. If Stark doesn’t even know that Batman has come up with his own Ironman-type suit there’s no way that Stark can mitigate that by coming up with something better to combat Batman.
And it’s not like the Ironman suit is unique. It’s not a superpower and it’s not even something like what Batman has developed. You can’t steal Batman’s prowess from him. You can steal all his machines and all that, but you’re still left with possibly the best hand-to-hand fighter in the DC universe and a guy with a virtually unparalleled mind. Take away the suit from Stark and you’re left with a tech geek consumed by his own hubris. If you can get an Ironman suit of your own, you’ve completely taken away the one thing that Stark has going for him. Put the suit in the hands of someone like Batman and you have someone who Stark wishes he could be but never will. And Batman is probably the one guy most capable of getting his hands on his own Ironman suit and putting it to good use.[/quote]
Why is irrelevant. Making up reasons to answer the question to “why?” is the core of all comics.
I completely agree, though, that if he gets time to plan, Batman wins. He’s taken down some of the most powerful villains (and heroes) in comics because of this one aspect to his character and I’m convinced there’s noone he wouldn’t find a way to get it done with. Iron Man included.
In a chance meeting, for whatever reason, if they fight, Iron Man is more powerful than Batman by a long shot. This guy has enough firepower to take out city blocks (more than that, really)in seconds, can fly, has an armor that can’t be penetrated by much but a few things (none of which Batman carries around with him) and can create forcefields around that to add to the protection, and is stronger than any non-altered human could ever hope to be multiple times over.
Batman could probably escape (of course, Stark has technology that would be able to find him in various ways, so he’d have to use his ingenuity and pull a way to escape out of his ass to do it, but I’m confident he’d be able to, somehow). Without prior knowledge of Iron Man’s weaknesses, I don’t see him being able to take him down. Even if Batman is in the Batwing, Iron Man would still take him down if he didn’t get away.
[quote]stokes1989 wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
This is easy. Batman would send cat woman in to bang Stark and take the suit.[/quote]
That’s the true genious right there[/quote]
I could see this happening. Assuming Batman finds out who Iron Man is. Since they’re from different universes, that isn’t a given.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
This is similar to the Batman vs. Wolverine thread we had a long time ago.[/quote]
Really depends on the context. Face to face with no prep and no BFR allowed, there’s no way in hell that Batman wins.[/quote]
This was the same thing I said in that thread. He may be able to incapacitate him by electricuting him, assuming his attempt was successful, but he wouldn’t be out for a very long time and tieing him down wouldn’t last, either. Ultimately, Batman would get him though, just not in their first meeting. Very similar to how I think it would go down with Iron Man and pretty much any other character who has superpowers or something equivalent.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Iron man, the only way batman would have a chance is if Tony Stark used one of his older armors and that would still be iffy. The Extremis armor that tony stark uses has night vision as well as a heartbeat sensor so stealth isnt an option which is Batmans only real advantage. The Extremis armor also has a emp emitter so presumably the armor is emp shielded. Besides Tony Stark has gone toe to toe with the hulk, not to mention the Asgardians i doubt that a man who has taken on gods would have much trouble with some emo guy in a fetish suit who hunts poor people for sport.[/quote]
Batman takes on Superman all the time.
Besides, Ironman is just a bunch of cheap bullshit and an obvious copy of Batman. Don’t underestimate the mindset of someone who hunts other human for sport.
The likely scenario here is that Batman would be the one going after Ironman, assuming Ironman didn’t just fall out of some other dimension and into Gotham City one night. Batman would always be extremely suspicious of a guy like Starks. So as long as Starks didn’t just fall out of another dimension and Batman was aware of his existence already, Batman would undoubtedly have some sort of plan for dealing with Ironman. The only reason they would clash is if Ironman got out of line and was some sort of threat, or potentially stood in Batman’s way.
I would guess that Wayne Enterprises would engage in some corporate espionage targeted at Starks Industries. The likelihood is that Batman would actually be going after Ironman in an another Ironman suit. Batman would probably make some Bat-specific adjustments to the suit, perhaps upgraded night vision capabilities of some sort, but there is simply no way Batman is stupid enough to go to battle against Ironman without a suit of his own that puts him on equal footing with Ironman. And if the playing field is leveled in respect to the suits, Starks is at a very large disadvantage in literally every other way possible.
Take away the Ironman suit and Starks is a nobody. Take away the Batsuit and Wayne is still someone who gets off on hunting people at night. [/quote]
I agree with everything you have said so far. But I think we have to throw a variable in there. Is the fight something that batman knows is coming or is it just a random encounter that happens all of a sudden? While I do think that Batman will plan for any eventuality, including taking on Ironman, will he have those resources ready to go anytime, anywhere?
Batman would definitively destroy Ironman, but what if it was a chance encounter while he was at dinner? Would Batman be ready at that particular time and place?[/quote]
Batman has true stealth though. If ironman breaks into Batman’s mansion, chances are Bruce sneaks away before ironman finds him. Then after ironman searches the place and turns up nothing, he leaves empty handed and goes back to his mansion where Batman is already waiting for him in the shadows
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Batman hacks Jarvis, has ironman suit rape Stark, the end…[/quote]
That’s one of Stark’s strong points. It wouldn’t be that simple. Batman wouldn’t be able to simply hack the Iron Man suit. Of course, if you’re in love with Batman, like many are, you probably think he’d be able to.
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Doesn’t agent Colson (sp?) override Starks security protocols and waltz right in during the Avengers movie? Yeah, I’m pretty sure that happened.
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[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
This is similar to the Batman vs. Wolverine thread we had a long time ago.[/quote]
Really depends on the context. Face to face with no prep and no BFR allowed, there’s no way in hell that Batman wins.[/quote]
This was the same thing I said in that thread. He may be able to incapacitate him by electricuting him, assuming his attempt was successful, but he wouldn’t be out for a very long time and tieing him down wouldn’t last, either. Ultimately, Batman would get him though, just not in their first meeting. Very similar to how I think it would go down with Iron Man and pretty much any other character who has superpowers or something equivalent.[/quote]
The catch is that Batman has to survive the first meeting lol
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[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
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[quote]sandos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Iron man, the only way batman would have a chance is if Tony Stark used one of his older armors and that would still be iffy. The Extremis armor that tony stark uses has night vision as well as a heartbeat sensor so stealth isnt an option which is Batmans only real advantage. The Extremis armor also has a emp emitter so presumably the armor is emp shielded. Besides Tony Stark has gone toe to toe with the hulk, not to mention the Asgardians i doubt that a man who has taken on gods would have much trouble with some emo guy in a fetish suit who hunts poor people for sport.[/quote]
Batman takes on Superman all the time.
Besides, Ironman is just a bunch of cheap bullshit and an obvious copy of Batman. Don’t underestimate the mindset of someone who hunts other human for sport.
The likely scenario here is that Batman would be the one going after Ironman, assuming Ironman didn’t just fall out of some other dimension and into Gotham City one night. Batman would always be extremely suspicious of a guy like Starks. So as long as Starks didn’t just fall out of another dimension and Batman was aware of his existence already, Batman would undoubtedly have some sort of plan for dealing with Ironman. The only reason they would clash is if Ironman got out of line and was some sort of threat, or potentially stood in Batman’s way.
I would guess that Wayne Enterprises would engage in some corporate espionage targeted at Starks Industries. The likelihood is that Batman would actually be going after Ironman in an another Ironman suit. Batman would probably make some Bat-specific adjustments to the suit, perhaps upgraded night vision capabilities of some sort, but there is simply no way Batman is stupid enough to go to battle against Ironman without a suit of his own that puts him on equal footing with Ironman. And if the playing field is leveled in respect to the suits, Starks is at a very large disadvantage in literally every other way possible.
Take away the Ironman suit and Starks is a nobody. Take away the Batsuit and Wayne is still someone who gets off on hunting people at night. [/quote]
I agree with everything you have said so far. But I think we have to throw a variable in there. Is the fight something that batman knows is coming or is it just a random encounter that happens all of a sudden? While I do think that Batman will plan for any eventuality, including taking on Ironman, will he have those resources ready to go anytime, anywhere?
Batman would definitively destroy Ironman, but what if it was a chance encounter while he was at dinner? Would Batman be ready at that particular time and place?[/quote]
Batman has true stealth though. If ironman breaks into Batman’s mansion, chances are Bruce sneaks away before ironman finds him. Then after ironman searches the place and turns up nothing, he leaves empty handed and goes back to his mansion where Batman is already waiting for him in the shadows
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Jarvis[/quote]
Batman hacks Jarvis, has ironman suit rape Stark, the end…[/quote]
That’s one of Stark’s strong points. It wouldn’t be that simple. Batman wouldn’t be able to simply hack the Iron Man suit. Of course, if you’re in love with Batman, like many are, you probably think he’d be able to.
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Doesn’t agent Colson (sp?) override Starks security protocols and waltz right in during the Avengers movie? Yeah, I’m pretty sure that happened. [/quote]
I thought he was let in. I don’t remember that scene very well.