[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Doesn’t Batman have a dossier on pretty much EVERYONE, and a list of their major weaknesses and vulnerabilities and a plan to attack those weaknesses and the resources and technology to pull off the attack? I mean, imagine all the crazy shit he’s developed that he keeps under wraps until it’s time to break out the big guns. Batman’s always two steps ahead, and when everyone else gets mad, frustrated and sloppy, he gets focused.[/quote]
I also don’t get this bullshit about Ironman’s suit. So fucking what if he has a suit? That doesn’t make him a genius and it certainly doesn’t make Stark Industries better than Wayne Enterprises. The only thing Stark has produced of any note is that fucking suit, which anyone can use. Batman has all sorts of weird shit he’s come up with. The Bat Wing, the Bat Pod, the Batmobile, etc etc.[/quote]
Stark could always just hit Wayne Manor with the Jericho missles while Alfred was drawing a bath for Batman and Robin to cozy up in and blow each other. Game over.
Also how could you not like Stark more than Wayne- Hookers and Blow vs Little Boys and Tights
You don’t have to be Charlie Sheen to know which one of those is winning.[/quote]
Charlie Sheen can’t even take care of his own children. I don’t call that winning.
Besides, why would Stark ever want to blow up Wayne Manor in the first place? He’s too docile and non-aggressive to go after someone like Batman. Batman is a psychopath who gets off on hunting people for sport.
People always ridicule him for the whole no-killing thing. It’s not that Batman is against killing, he just needs something to do. If he killed every criminal and douchebag cokehead like Tony Stark that got in his way he’d have nothing to do after about a six-month long bloodbath. His life would be meaningless and empty. And we’ve seen what Batman with too much time on his hands and nothing to do turns into. He turns into a loner version of Tony Stark who races cars around Gotham until he gets bored, comes out of retirement and then beats the fuck out of Superman with a suit so strong that not even Superman could pulverize him while he was in it. And if he can take on Superman at an advanced age and survive after a long period of inactivity, he can certainly take on a junkie like Tony Stark when he’s in his prime.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ummm Stark doesn’t know Bruce Wayne is batman. Batman knows Stark is Ironman. HUGE advantage Batman. [/quote]
How did I forget about that?
I can see it now. Stark stumbles home from another night of Bolivian cocaine and cheap, STD-riddled hookers and Batman is sitting there in the shadows waiting for him. He doesn’t even bring any cool weaponry, just his two fists, which is all Batman needs at that point anyways.
Or maybe Stark comes home and he’s in the Ironman suit, but Batman is still there waiting for him and he’s got this huge magnet with him that he has Wolverine permanently stuck to and it pulls Ironman right onto it as well and a stray claw from Wolverine punctures the suit and goes through Ironman’s skull, killing him.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ummm Stark doesn’t know Bruce Wayne is batman. Batman knows Stark is Ironman. HUGE advantage Batman. [/quote]
In fact, now that you mention it, that changes everything entirely. The reality is that, given Batman knows Stark is Ironman, the Ironman vs Batman confrontation doesn’t even happen. Batman just shows up at the local opium den one day and destroys Stark without even breaking a sweat, because why take on Ironman when you can just whoop Stark’s ass instead?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ummm Stark doesn’t know Bruce Wayne is batman. Batman knows Stark is Ironman. HUGE advantage Batman. [/quote]
How did I forget about that?
I can see it now. Stark stumbles home from another night of Bolivian cocaine and cheap, STD-riddled hookers and Batman is sitting there in the shadows waiting for him. He doesn’t even bring any cool weaponry, just his two fists, which is all Batman needs at that point anyways.
Or maybe Stark comes home and he’s in the Ironman suit, but Batman is still there waiting for him and he’s got this huge magnet with him that he has Wolverine permanently stuck to and it pulls Ironman right onto it as well and a stray claw from Wolverine punctures the suit and goes through Ironman’s skull, killing him.[/quote]
Or Jarvis reverses the polarization on the magnet, Wolverine gets loose and guts both of them before he puts Pepper on the back of Starks motorcycle and heads to find some chap motel for them to roll around in.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ummm Stark doesn’t know Bruce Wayne is batman. Batman knows Stark is Ironman. HUGE advantage Batman. [/quote]
How did I forget about that?
I can see it now. Stark stumbles home from another night of Bolivian cocaine and cheap, STD-riddled hookers and Batman is sitting there in the shadows waiting for him. He doesn’t even bring any cool weaponry, just his two fists, which is all Batman needs at that point anyways.
Or maybe Stark comes home and he’s in the Ironman suit, but Batman is still there waiting for him and he’s got this huge magnet with him that he has Wolverine permanently stuck to and it pulls Ironman right onto it as well and a stray claw from Wolverine punctures the suit and goes through Ironman’s skull, killing him.[/quote]
Or Jarvis reverses the polarization on the magnet, Wolverine gets loose and guts both of them before he puts Pepper on the back of Starks motorcycle and heads to find some chap motel for them to roll around in. [/quote]
So basically are we all in agreement then that Batman is pretty much useless unless he has some prep time? I mean so far all the Batman win scenario involve him coming up with some contraption to beat Ironman or catching him off guard. If Doctor Doom somehow teleported them into an arena for a death match while they were just out patrolling their cities, I don’t think anyone can come up with any logical argument for Batman winning.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ummm Stark doesn’t know Bruce Wayne is batman. Batman knows Stark is Ironman. HUGE advantage Batman. [/quote]
How did I forget about that?
I can see it now. Stark stumbles home from another night of Bolivian cocaine and cheap, STD-riddled hookers and Batman is sitting there in the shadows waiting for him. He doesn’t even bring any cool weaponry, just his two fists, which is all Batman needs at that point anyways.
Or maybe Stark comes home and he’s in the Ironman suit, but Batman is still there waiting for him and he’s got this huge magnet with him that he has Wolverine permanently stuck to and it pulls Ironman right onto it as well and a stray claw from Wolverine punctures the suit and goes through Ironman’s skull, killing him.[/quote]
Or Jarvis reverses the polarization on the magnet, Wolverine gets loose and guts both of them before he puts Pepper on the back of Starks motorcycle and heads to find some chap motel for them to roll around in. [/quote]
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^ Yup, case closed. Next!![/quote]
Lex Luthor vs Iron Man.
Also, I’ve been thinking about it lately and I believe Magneto would beat Darth Vader, presuming Magneto’s powers can work on the non-earth-based metals that comprise Vader’s suit, body, and lightsaber.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ummm Stark doesn’t know Bruce Wayne is batman. Batman knows Stark is Ironman. HUGE advantage Batman. [/quote]
How did I forget about that?
I can see it now. Stark stumbles home from another night of Bolivian cocaine and cheap, STD-riddled hookers and Batman is sitting there in the shadows waiting for him. He doesn’t even bring any cool weaponry, just his two fists, which is all Batman needs at that point anyways.
Or maybe Stark comes home and he’s in the Ironman suit, but Batman is still there waiting for him and he’s got this huge magnet with him that he has Wolverine permanently stuck to and it pulls Ironman right onto it as well and a stray claw from Wolverine punctures the suit and goes through Ironman’s skull, killing him.[/quote]
Or Jarvis reverses the polarization on the magnet, Wolverine gets loose and guts both of them before he puts Pepper on the back of Starks motorcycle and heads to find some chap motel for them to roll around in. [/quote]
First of all, I thought this was Batman vs Ironman, not Batman vs R2D2, assuming you’re talking about J.A.R.V.I.S. and not Jarvis the butler, yet another cheap rip-off of Batman from Stan Lee, the greatest rip-off artist of all-time. JARVIS would be blown to pieces by a small incendiary device or an EMP device. If you mean Jarvis the butler, I laugh. Batman would hog tie that guy like one of Stark’s hookers long before Stark ever sobered up enough to stumble home.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
So basically are we all in agreement then that Batman is pretty much useless unless he has some prep time? I mean so far all the Batman win scenario involve him coming up with some contraption to beat Ironman or catching him off guard. If Doctor Doom somehow teleported them into an arena for a death match while they were just out patrolling their cities, I don’t think anyone can come up with any logical argument for Batman winning.[/quote]
If Doctor Doom teleported them into an arena for a death match, the most likely scenario is that Batman uses his superior intellect and strategian’s mind to devise a scenario in which Ironman and Batman working together take out Doom and return to their respective cities.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
So basically are we all in agreement then that Batman is pretty much useless unless he has some prep time? I mean so far all the Batman win scenario involve him coming up with some contraption to beat Ironman or catching him off guard. If Doctor Doom somehow teleported them into an arena for a death match while they were just out patrolling their cities, I don’t think anyone can come up with any logical argument for Batman winning.[/quote]
And I wouldn’t use the phrase “coming up with some contraption”. This is Batman we’re talking about. He already HAS the contraption to take out Ironman. It’s another Ironman suit tailored to Batman’s specific needs. There is simply no scenario in which Batman would be forced to take on Ironman in some death match. He would take on the person responsible for putting him there first before he took on another good guy like Ironman.
And Ironman would do the same thing, once he finished detoxing. And if they WERE forced to fight it out, Batman would simply use his supreme intellect to convince Ironman not to fight but work together to find a way out until he knew Ironman was going through severe withdrawal symptoms and extremely vulnerable. Then it would be all over for Ironman. A dehydrated, hallucinatory Tony Stark vs Bruce Wayne, a guy who was trained by the League of Shadows, would be no match whatsoever. Wayne destroys Stark in seconds.
So the only realistic scenario is one in which they have been existing in one’s universe or the other and one of them does something to piss the other off to the point where they find themselves fighting each other. In that situation, there is literally no conceivable scenario in which Ironman defeats Batman. Batman would be prepared for such an eventuality before it ever became a reality. So once it DOES become reality, it’s simply a matter of carrying out the plan. And if there is a guy who knows how to carry out a plan against someone like Ironman, it’s Batman.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
So basically are we all in agreement then that Batman is pretty much useless unless he has some prep time? I mean so far all the Batman win scenario involve him coming up with some contraption to beat Ironman or catching him off guard. If Doctor Doom somehow teleported them into an arena for a death match while they were just out patrolling their cities, I don’t think anyone can come up with any logical argument for Batman winning.[/quote]
If Doctor Doom teleported them into an arena for a death match, the most likely scenario is that Batman uses his superior intellect and strategian’s mind to devise a scenario in which Ironman and Batman working together take out Doom and return to their respective cities.[/quote]
I like that, never make Batman into a conflict he cant win (which is pretty much all of them when its unexpected heads up).
I like Batman as a character but he is pretty much useless in these if these two got in a fight because every scenario that Batman wins involves him getting out of the fight initially. Without escape, head to head, Batman is pretty low on the totem pole.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
im just really suprised that after all these years nobody ever just shot batman in the mouth with a .45 [/quote]
What part of “Because Batman” do you not understand motherfucker?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
People always ridicule him for the whole no-killing thing. It’s not that Batman is against killing, he just needs something to do. [/quote]
I don’t want to go all out geek but early Batman used to kill baddies all the time (or at least let them die). He even killed a bunch of them with a shotgun once I think. I don’t know why they changed that about him (political correctness perhaps?) but super heroes who don’t have a problem killing a villain always have an edge that I like.
A Batman who kills just explodes the scale of badassery.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
So basically are we all in agreement then that Batman is pretty much useless unless he has some prep time? I mean so far all the Batman win scenario involve him coming up with some contraption to beat Ironman or catching him off guard. If Doctor Doom somehow teleported them into an arena for a death match while they were just out patrolling their cities, I don’t think anyone can come up with any logical argument for Batman winning.[/quote]
If Doctor Doom teleported them into an arena for a death match, the most likely scenario is that Batman uses his superior intellect and strategian’s mind to devise a scenario in which Ironman and Batman working together take out Doom and return to their respective cities.[/quote]
I like that, never make Batman into a conflict he cant win (which is pretty much all of them when its unexpected heads up).
I like Batman as a character but he is pretty much useless in these if these two got in a fight because every scenario that Batman wins involves him getting out of the fight initially. Without escape, head to head, Batman is pretty low on the totem pole.[/quote]
Well, since his ability to escape and regroup is one of his “powers”, denigrating him based on that is sort of like saying that without the Ironman suit Stark is pretty low on the totem pole.
Every scenario in which Ironman wins is in some mythical death match in which someone else teleports the two into some intergalactic octagon and somehow forces the two to fight it out. Put them in the normal environment in which they operate and Batman wins every time. Stark can be taken out of the suit. Batman can’t be taken out of Wayne. If there is a way to get Ironman out of that suit Batman can do it.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
People always ridicule him for the whole no-killing thing. It’s not that Batman is against killing, he just needs something to do. [/quote]
I don’t want to go all out geek but early Batman used to kill baddies all the time (or at least let them die). He even killed a bunch of them with a shotgun once I think. I don’t know why they changed that about him (political correctness perhaps?) but super heroes who don’t have a problem killing a villain always have an edge that I like.
A Batman who kills just explodes the scale of badassery.
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I think they changed that about him so that Ironman would have a chance at living if their paths ever crossed.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
People always ridicule him for the whole no-killing thing. It’s not that Batman is against killing, he just needs something to do. [/quote]
I don’t want to go all out geek but early Batman used to kill baddies all the time (or at least let them die). He even killed a bunch of them with a shotgun once I think. I don’t know why they changed that about him (political correctness perhaps?) but super heroes who don’t have a problem killing a villain always have an edge that I like.
A Batman who kills just explodes the scale of badassery.
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Yeah, he straight up murders joker in cold blood in Dark Knight Returns.
