Bashing of Bodybuilders: Why?

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
TBH “former geeks” actually BECOME recreational weight trainers and bodybuilders as they get older to avenge their former humiliation or being picked on when they were skinny and nerdy. whizzing through the posts on this and other sites (especially GAL forum) has convinced me about that. [/quote]

There must be an incredible number of people involved in bodybuilding then that I did not know about!

I think what you say is true for a small fraction, and not the fraction that hate protein, hate anabolic steroids, and hate acquisition of muscle.

Never did I say that every person who didn’t have a fine physique in high school winds up being a hater of the above.

But rather, those that are really bent out of shape about it, with emotional vehemence that certainly does not come from any logical reason, I think my explanation is correct in many cases.

It also explains the many scientists and doctors who decry protein and think testosterone is from the Devil, for example. It’s not based on scientific fact, it’s an emotional deal IMO. What drives it? Something. If not my suggestion, then what?

I would challenge anyone to find a scientist or doctor with such views, held strangely strongly, who doesn’t have the geek look to his upper back, traps (or the impossibility of finding them even with a search warrant), neck, and probably craned-forward head.

(A few hold these views because they’ve heard and read them from others in their field, but bring no emotional intensity to it. I am not talking about them. And they will quite often not have this look I am referring to.)

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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Most homeless people I know (been there once), most middle aged guys pumping gas for a living at K-marts, and most people on minimum wage and/or living off food stamps (and plan to keep doing so till they can get a newer form of govt cheese) I have interacted with - come across as completely secure with themselves and content with their lot.

Its guys like Arnold, Trump, Bill Gates, wealthy/powerful fuckers who are able to throw their weight around in society, people who rack up degrees and strive to raise their social status who stand out as being insecure.

from what ive seen, I choose to be inecure.

Professor X wrote:
Why do people like you like to throw that word around so much?

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Agreed. I guess “insecurity” looks better by the day.

It is true though, the most content people I have ever met are the ones not trying to make hardly any upward progress. They enjoy being mediocre…so much that anyone working really hard gets called out for being obsessive or INSECURE.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Makavali wrote:
MikeKubo wrote:
However, all of this ‘bodybuilder’s being weak’ shit has to go. I’ve yet to see a guy 260 ripped lbs that is weak.

Pff. All competitive bodybuilders are weak, they can’t lift shit.

See?

Those are some big ass peanuts.[/quote]

this doesnt really have anything to do with this thread but i thought i would ask, What ever happen to bb wearing those clown pants or what ever there called that u see ronnie wearing in this clip.

For some reason in my head it seems like alot of people in the 90s used to wear them and now only ronnie does. i think there kinda kool haha

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Do they still appear prominently in the Weider mags? (I have no idea, it is just a possible explanation provided that they have disappeared from those pages.)

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Why was there a whole thread bashing figure competitors? Some folks like throwing dirt for fun, some are threatened, some may really dislike the look, and some bash because they wish they could do it and are venting their envy.

Will knowing the reason remedy the bashing? No.

Some folks just suck.

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Well, I don’t know if it would do anything but it is a piece that warrants some conversation perhaps.

It sure seems that people are concerned about my bodybuilding hobby.

Example:

At work, I usually don’t mess around. But I admittedly have a different way of doing things than my boss, who happens to also be my friend of 10 years (big mistake, working for a friend).

In the early months of being there, every time I goofed on something or did somethign differently, she would say “I think all you care about is your meals”.

See, the last time I checked, eating was not earning me a living.

Another time, I was wearing short sleeves since we had problems with air conditioning. She then went on and said “big muscles are nice, but that’s nothing to show off in a hospital or nursing home.”

I replied “I don’t have any intention of showing off to people sick and/or dying or 95 year old grannies. This place is hot as hell and I’m sweating all over the place! It seems to me you sure have an interest in my bodybuilding hobby, so much that you seem to mention it more than I do (I don’t talk about bodybuilding at work).”

Notice the inherent resentment of her statements. I wear short sleeves to remain hygenic and comfortable and eat healthily, none of which has to do with the job or bodybuilding.

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I’m sure the elderly ladies appreciated the gun show. Sounds like maybe she was the one that was a bit distracted if ya catch my drift…

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[quote]chitown34 wrote:
I’m sure the elderly ladies appreciated the gun show.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Makavali wrote:
MikeKubo wrote:
However, all of this ‘bodybuilder’s being weak’ shit has to go. I’ve yet to see a guy 260 ripped lbs that is weak.

Pff. All competitive bodybuilders are weak, they can’t lift shit.

See?

Those are some big ass peanuts.[/quote]

A) Plus 1,000,000 points for the picture of Arnold flexing for the old ladies. Well played sir.

B) For anyone thinking bodybuilders are weak, BRANCH WARREN IS COMING FOR YOU!!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
skor wrote:

You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you claim that most likely I have no clue about what your are talking about. On the other hand, you are surprised that your feeling of being overwhelmed with sheer number of negative comments and media labeling needs explanation on the forum on which, as you know, most people are not getting tons of comments in public.

Any more questions?

Yes, both of the initial questions. Your speech, while informative, doesn’t answer my two questions.

Your two questions are irrelevant. Unless you are about to claim that any time someone voices an opinion about how they are being treated this points to INSECURITY, then you have no point. I can very well be secure with myself and my actions AND STILL voice an opinion if I feel that people like me are being mistreated in some way.

Are you saying this is impossible? That unless someone is completely apathetic to how they and those like them are being treated that this makes them INSECURE?
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You inferred too much from my questions that wasn’t there. Having re-read the context, I can see how you could have interpreted them as a start of an argument you mentioned above.

My questions (the second one mostly) are relevant to my understanding of your psyche (as a representative of advanced BB). I haven’t mentioned anything about insecurity in my post.

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[quote]skor wrote:
Professor X wrote:
skor wrote:

You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you claim that most likely I have no clue about what your are talking about. On the other hand, you are surprised that your feeling of being overwhelmed with sheer number of negative comments and media labeling needs explanation on the forum on which, as you know, most people are not getting tons of comments in public.

Any more questions?

Yes, both of the initial questions. Your speech, while informative, doesn’t answer my two questions.

Your two questions are irrelevant. Unless you are about to claim that any time someone voices an opinion about how they are being treated this points to INSECURITY, then you have no point. I can very well be secure with myself and my actions AND STILL voice an opinion if I feel that people like me are being mistreated in some way.

Are you saying this is impossible? That unless someone is completely apathetic to how they and those like them are being treated that this makes them INSECURE?

You inferred too much from my questions that wasn’t there. Having re-read the context, I can see how you could have interpreted them as a start of an argument you mentioned above.

My questions (the second one mostly) are relevant to my understanding of your psyche (as a representative of advanced BB). I haven’t mentioned anything about insecurity in my post.[/quote]

I’m sorry, but what school of psychology did you graduate from? Are you conducting a study?

You don’t understand because you don’t want to.

You wrote:[quote]But did you not realize this effect of successful bodybuilding before starting out? Would you prefer to have an option to “take off” bodybuilding?[/quote]

Every bodybuilders understands that bigger muscles than average will make them stand out. That doesn’t mean that speaking against NEGATIVE STATEMENTS makes them insecure or means they didn’t expect to stand out.

The dumbest thing about this thread…is that this needs to be explained on a fucking BODYBUILDING WEBSITE to people who apparently can’t even comprehend what bodybuilding is about.

Why do people like this come to this site in droves?

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[quote]MikeKubo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Makavali wrote:
MikeKubo wrote:
However, all of this ‘bodybuilder’s being weak’ shit has to go. I’ve yet to see a guy 260 ripped lbs that is weak.

Pff. All competitive bodybuilders are weak, they can’t lift shit.

See?

Those are some big ass peanuts.

A) Plus 1,000,000 points for the picture of Arnold flexing for the old ladies. Well played sir.

B) For anyone thinking bodybuilders are weak, BRANCH WARREN IS COMING FOR YOU!!!

[/quote]

Lol at the youtube comments…

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LOL at them indeed. “Branch’s form is shit!!!” Hasn’t seem to hurt him so much. Those damn drugs and genetics!!!

I wish I could start my own illegal fight ring, and put Branch in there against every goofball that has watched UFC twice and comes on here claiming to be an ‘ultimate fighter MMA guy’.

I bet he could literally knock at least 75% of them out just by staring at them. I’d love to hear Joe Rogan call that shit.

“Branch, let’s go back to the replay. Tell me what’s going through your mind here as you walk to the middle of the cage, and Bitch Cranklin suddenly falls over, seizing due to your eye domination…”

Branch:: “RAAAAWWWWRRRRRRR!!!” ::curls Joe Rogan 28 times and throws him into the third row::

And Ronnie would be his corner coach. “Joe Rogan ain’t nuttin but no light…weight…BABAY!!! THE SHIP HAS LANDED!!!”

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^^^
That’s what I’m talking about! As I ask previously on this board …

“when the fuck did everyone all of the sudden become a fighter?!”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
skor wrote:
Professor X wrote:
skor wrote:

You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you claim that most likely I have no clue about what your are talking about. On the other hand, you are surprised that your feeling of being overwhelmed with sheer number of negative comments and media labeling needs explanation on the forum on which, as you know, most people are not getting tons of comments in public.

Any more questions?

Yes, both of the initial questions. Your speech, while informative, doesn’t answer my two questions.

Your two questions are irrelevant. Unless you are about to claim that any time someone voices an opinion about how they are being treated this points to INSECURITY, then you have no point. I can very well be secure with myself and my actions AND STILL voice an opinion if I feel that people like me are being mistreated in some way.

Are you saying this is impossible? That unless someone is completely apathetic to how they and those like them are being treated that this makes them INSECURE?

You inferred too much from my questions that wasn’t there. Having re-read the context, I can see how you could have interpreted them as a start of an argument you mentioned above.

My questions (the second one mostly) are relevant to my understanding of your psyche (as a representative of advanced BB). I haven’t mentioned anything about insecurity in my post.

I’m sorry, but what school of psychology did you graduate from? Are you conducting a study?

You don’t understand because you don’t want to.

You wrote:But did you not realize this effect of successful bodybuilding before starting out? Would you prefer to have an option to “take off” bodybuilding?

Every bodybuilders understands that bigger muscles than average will make them stand out. That doesn’t mean that speaking against NEGATIVE STATEMENTS makes them insecure or means they didn’t expect to stand out.

The dumbest thing about this thread…is that this needs to be explained on a fucking BODYBUILDING WEBSITE to people who apparently can’t even comprehend what bodybuilding is about.

Why do people like this come to this site in droves?[/quote]

You are tilting at windmills - not in general, but in regards to my comments. Let me narrow the context of my initial question:

[quote]Scott wrote:
Secondly, no other hobby or sport do you “wear” around like bodybuilding 24/7 unless you count people that tattoo or pierce themselves dozens of times.

Grapplers that get mocked are only grapplers while they are training or in competition, the other 22 hours of the day they are Joe Average and nobody gives a crap what they do for fun 3 nights a week. Even in a sweat shirt you can’t hide 250 lbs of mostly lean muscle… the comments and the looks never stop.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and that is why we talk about it. I can’t “take off” bodybuilding. People know I lift seriously EVERY FUCKING PLACE I go. There is no break from it. Who the hell can tell you know martial arts just by looking at you unless you tell them?

No one is making fun of karate students when they are walking through the mall in regular clothes. "
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Keeping the reactions of people towards you (visible as a bodybuilder) fixed, would you prefer to have an option to “take off” bodybuilding while walking through the mall - the way karate students “take off” their sport?

P.S. I’m neither a psychologist by training nor conducting a directed study.

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[quote]skor wrote:

Keeping the reactions of people towards you (visible as a bodybuilder) fixed, would you prefer to have an option to “take off” bodybuilding while walking through the mall - the way karate students “take off” their sport?

P.S. I’m neither a psychologist by training nor conducting a directed study.[/quote]

No. I enjoy being who and what I am. I like the responses I get for the most part…at least the ones spoken directly to my face. If you would notice, most of my gripes are about how the media (and subsequently, the general public) portray bodybuilders, or even guys who simply lift weights with muscle growth as the goal because that includes me as well.

I stood out before I ever got serious about bodybuilding. I just do so more now and from a greater distance.

Yes, there are possibly some instances where I would rather be Clark Kent…but the desire to be Superman outweighs all of it.

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PX,

Get this - there was a guy on Dr. Darden’s HIT website stating that Dorian Yates was performing leg extensions in the wrong fashion in a video clip linked on the site’s forum.

This is one I also love (not)! Stating that specific bodybuilders train in the wrong way. Now, of course there is bad or loose form. This is such a thing. However, if bad or loose form is working for someone, how can I say its bad?

There was this whole rage in the late '90s and early 2000s of conjugated periodization is the best form of training for powerlifters and that linear periodization is junk. This was stated ad nauseum by CW on here, in nearly everyone of his articles. Meanwhile, at the time, there were and still are some guys doing quite well with linear periodization. They are not training wrong. Tell Ed Coan (a linear periodization disciple) he is wrong!

I know that I can’t get good results with loose form for back. I need to use SOME snap on rowing exercises but I need the weight to be appropriate for a quick 1-count at the contraction of the exercise. I tried looser form and it did not work for me. Apparently, loose form works for Branch and Ronnie. Who am I to say they are training wrong?

The powerlifter Brian Siders (spelling?) does workouts that would put most of us in the hospital and leave us sick as a dog. He uses ultra high volume and high intensity workouts that last 3 HOURS! That’s not for me but I am sure he is glad he didn’t read too many books and listen to PTs telling him he is doing things “wrong”.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
^^^
That’s what I’m talking about! As I ask previously on this board …

“when the fuck did everyone all of the sudden become a fighter?!”[/quote]

Friday. I sent out a memo.

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[quote]BlackSabbath wrote:
Are you people experiencing this bodybuilder bashing by pts in life or online? I have yet to see it in person.[/quote]

i get it on a daily basis from my folks and i’m 26, the word “obsessed” is used every other sentence by them

and guess what both of them including my younger brother are significantly overweight, and i don’t mean overweight with muscle

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[quote]MikeKubo wrote:
B) For anyone thinking bodybuilders are weak, BRANCH WARREN IS COMING FOR YOU!!!

- YouTube [/quote]

You have to climb stairs to get to my room. I think I’m safe unless he starts throwing weights at me.