[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I guess I’m the other “affirmative action” black guy in a thread about race…ironic. I really want to discuss and here perspectives other than my own.
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Hah! Look, it’s a bit of a heated topic sometimes. And people get passionate about the discussion, obviously. But, there is no real anger with you or Prof X. Especially Prof X, whom I’ve had a couple exchanges with here. Honestly, thanks for joining in. Happy Easter everyone, I’m off for the rest of the night.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
Instances like the Tuskegee experiment brought distrust yet many here act like no one should be upset about it…yet here you are, upset about some childhood experience and effectively holding every black person you meet to that standard.
It is truly as if none of you can see your own actions. Until you do, there can be no progression in this country. This is NOT some one sided conversation where whites in general are not at fault in any way and where the only people who need to change are black people…yet that is actually the stance many have taken.
Your opinion and words mean about as much to me as my dogs crap. I rarely care to even acknowledge your existence, but since you have singled me out and I am disgusted with you, I will take exception.
You called me out when I first came to this forum because you see yourself as the “King of T-Nation forums.” remember when I first came here and called you that, in this thread;
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1298340&pageNo=2
I asserted in that thread that you jump to conclusions and enjoy berating people.
Above I said “When I see a black man that looks shady (hopefully you know what I mean here),” but as usual you jump to conclusion in order to attack, ignore what I stated, and say: “upset about some childhood experience and effectively holding every black person you meet to that standard.”
Let me say I have lived in poor, neighborhoods beyond my childhood and into much of my adult life. I have stated this in many threads, and even in the thread above where you posted several times arguing with me. You either have poor memory, poor reading comprehension, or attack so many people here they all get grouped together and you can’t recall one from the other.
With that, I ask you, do you really believe I hold my wifes 1/2 black husband to that standard, or his black wifes family when I see them during the holidays? What about the black guy that sits next to me at work I have much respect for that wears a tie every day?
If you believe your own words, you are more of a fool than I have already gaged you to be, and if you don’t it seems my original assessment of you was accurate; assumption jumping jackass who sees himself as “king of T-Nation.”
In the above post, you stated this:
“why is someone who is planning such a HUGE physical change training with someone who pays such little attention to the training world as a whole?”
But then, wait, I achieved that “HUGE physical change:”
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1300566&pageNo=0
And you did exactly what I called you out originally as doing:
“But I am sure that when I make my goals, you will either say nothing…”
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1298340&pageNo=2
You did nothing…you shut up. Should I open a psychic pizza delivery joint? I could have the pizza at your door as soon as you realize you want it and pick up the phone.
I have done exactly what I said I would do when I first ran into you:
“I am done with you until you display genuine qualities.”
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1298340&pageNo=2
I took issue on this thread frankly because I am utterly disgusted with you. T-Nation would be a better place without you. You still have zero genuine qualities.
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LOL!!!
I know I said that was going to be my last post, but this one was hilarious.
Thank you very much for bumping this thread:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1298340&pageNo=2
That shit is classic!
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I have to get to bed…gotta be up at 4:00am…so on that note:
I’ve attempted to speak intelligently and tried to provide valid points for a discussion…something that everyone claims to want. Yet…its overlooked and all we seem to get is more pointing the finger at Obama’s pastor,his one sermon,or “typical white people” comments.
Even more,who has asked themselves…what do I want out of this discussion? Or am I really just pointing the finger? Am I just stirring up shit? I want to hear experiences…or basically something that substantiates the views that some people have. So far all we have is another bullshit race thread…even after 9 pages…so sad.[/quote]
I really don’t have much to add other than what I have already said.
I’m not offended by Obama, but I think it was a poor choice of words. As a candidate, he needs to be cautious of his words. As a black candidate, unfortunately, I think he needs to be even more cautious.
As far as the fear…err, I mean caution, around black men, I don’t entirely get that. My first guess would be a lot of these people grew up in mostly non-black areas and neighborhoods and fear the unknown.
Then there’s people like the above poster who says he grew up in mostly black neighborhoods. He says he was jumped and attacked several times by black men, so now he is cautious around black men. I still don’t quite understand this line of thinking, especially if one grows up in a black neighborhood. Weren’t there and kind or friendly neighbors? Did he not have any black friends growing up? What if he was jumped by whites? Women? Or a variety of people?
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Hey Professor Post…
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I find it funny that call him that when you’re on pace to build up quite a post count of your own.
The pot calling the kettle black.
<Oops. Should I not have said that?>
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Then there’s people like the above poster who says he grew up in mostly black neighborhoods. He says he was jumped and attacked several times by black men, so now he is cautious around black men. I still don’t quite understand this line of thinking, especially if one grows up in a black neighborhood. Weren’t there and kind or friendly neighbors? Did he not have any black friends growing up? What if he was jumped by whites? Women? Or a variety of people?[/quote]
I did have black friends. I played with only black people at a young age, and went on to go to clubs with black friends when I matured, and went to college with black friends. They were cool people. I never saw color, I only saw the person.
You are missing the point. I never knew the people that jumped me, attacked me, etc. I am not apprehensive around many black people, but when I get around the type I perceive to be similar to those that have caused me harm, I become apprehensive. I proclaim this is survival instinct.
Did you miss where my wifes brother is half black and his wife is black? Did you miss where I take holiday with their family, all black? Yup, today is easter and I spent it with my wifes half black brother, his black wife, her black family, black kids, black street, black pepper and black coffee. I spent Easter Sunday as a minority. In fact, I prefer my wife’s family over my family. I think they are better people. Hence why i take holiday’s with her family and not mine.
This has nothing to do with a thug I happen to pass in an isolated section of the parking garage when I am walking to my car at 10:00PM. Yup, you should believe it, I am aware of him, I watch him, and I make sure if he attacks me I am prepared to retaliate. I am not about to make myself an easy target. I have been burned before and I have learned my mistakes.
And to your closing, yes, if I had been jumped by white people that fit a stereotype I would be apprehensive around them. I have been stung by bee’s and I am apprehensive of them. I have been told over and over that snakes can kill me, and I am apprehensive around them. If I had been jumped by nuns hailing passages from the bible and chanting “abortion kills” then I would be apprehensive around them.
In fact I have known several people that went to Christian schools that said the nuns were mean and would beat them. You know what, they said they were apprehensive around nuns, and even afraid of them.
I simply shared my experience. The relevance of my experience to this post is:
Obama aint gonna win anyway !
And he aint black, he is a half breed. You go tell people from Africa he is considered black in the western world and theyll look at you with wonder. It always amazes me how litle skin colour it takes to be labeled black. You can just as well label such people white or yellow depending on the other halfs racial background.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
You still fail to come up with any proof that he said what you said he did .
The best you can come up with is hearsay of hearsay.
Anything else the voices in your head would want to let us know?
Plus, you insufferable short attention spanned fool, politically I stand to your right on most issues.
Fuck off, commie.
But not before you presented proof for your three page smear attempt of someone you never met.
I heard the recordings on both radio and television by reliable commentators from reliable networks. I further read such in national newspapers. If you are claiming that he didn’t make such statements you are woefully alone in your plight as no one not even Obama is denying these statements. But then again you’re used to being alone in thought and deed…so…no big deal right?
As I’ve said many times, you’re a loon not to be taken seriously on this site or any where else that respectable debate of any type or nature is taking place.
Many have asked you to go away, but you remain. And I think that you remain because you have nothing else to do and no where else that you are even close to being accepted.
And that’s actually sad.
Quite honestly at this point I’m sorry for you.
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And again, whatever it is you think you heard on Rush Limbaugh´s show or Fox News is irrelevant because there are enough youtube pieces proofing that they heavily distort his message.
So either you can show where he said, what he allegedly said, in full context, or you´ve simply been duped.
And really, is it sooooo much to ask that you produce any credible sources for your allegations? Just one? Would you not have done that by now if you could?
So why go on with this act if it is so blatantly obvious that you have nothing?
[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
new2training wrote:
I think Barack may have lost the nomination over these recent developments. He has certainly lost his momentum.
The whole grandmother anecdote is a clumsy mess.
How would he lose the nomination?
The race is already over isn’t it?
Pretty much. He would have to lose the rest of the states badly and then do something really stupid to get some super delegates to jump to lose this nomination.
I am still voting for Hillary.
Do you have to swear allegiance to the principles of the democratic party when switching parties, cuz there’s a bit of controversy in Ohio about this…[/quote]
I had to check a box on my voter registration form.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Ultimate Badass wrote:
Black people categorize themselves because of organizations, companies, etc. they join, such as BET, NAACP, et.
The only groups dedicated towards whites, are hate groups, which 99% of whites do no associate with.
Can you imagine the outrage over a TV station just for whites?
Welcome to “WET”.
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There you go “Bariton-Seppele and friends”:
Whatever Prof X and Big Boss feel about this I don´t know if outrage describes it properly.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Are you even interested in discussion? Because, I don’t think you even read what others write. [/quote]
The catch of the day is red herring.
He obviously doesn’t. Your point has been clear from the start so there is no use to repeat it yet again. I tried to help, he didn’t get that either.
Instead I get the "you assholes…"rant/rave etc…
His accomplishments indicate that he is smart enough to figure it out, he’d rather be a dick though.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I simply shared my experience. [/quote]
I didn’t mean to single you out or belittle your experiences. It was just all I had to refer to in this thread.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Ultimate Badass wrote:
Black people categorize themselves because of organizations, companies, etc. they join, such as BET, NAACP, et.
The only groups dedicated towards whites, are hate groups, which 99% of whites do no associate with.
Can you imagine the outrage over a TV station just for whites?
Welcome to “WET”.
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Isn’t that basically what the three big networks are?
[quote]Deus vult wrote:
Obama aint gonna win anyway !
he is a half breed.
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Half breed??? What the fuck is wrong with you?
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Ultimate Badass wrote:
Black people categorize themselves because of organizations, companies, etc. they join, such as BET, NAACP, et.
The only groups dedicated towards whites, are hate groups, which 99% of whites do no associate with.
Can you imagine the outrage over a TV station just for whites?
Welcome to “WET”.
Isn’t that basically what the three big networks are?[/quote]
No, because you are not allowed to watch the BET unless you have it in writing that at least your grandfather was black.
Otherwise, big, angry black men will come and smash your television.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Ultimate Badass wrote:
Black people categorize themselves because of organizations, companies, etc. they join, such as BET, NAACP, et.
The only groups dedicated towards whites, are hate groups, which 99% of whites do no associate with.
Can you imagine the outrage over a TV station just for whites?
Welcome to “WET”.
Isn’t that basically what the three big networks are?
Not at all. I see blacks, hispanics, native americans etc. on all three networks…and cable, as it should be. Not so with “Black Entertainment Television”. As the name indicates the network is for Blacks. Keep in mind the fundamental problem with this is that whites cannot do the same thing without being called racist. This speaks to a larger issue which is…the double standard and the deep seated animosity that it can cause.
And because of this double standard Rev. Wrights comments and Obama’s “typical white person” comment. Do not get the same level of scrutiny as they would had the a white person said such things about blacks.
I wonder what would be wrong with equality?
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First, I have my own reasons that I dislike BET, as do many black celebrities, if you care. But my dislike has nothing to do with it being “Black Entertainment Television.” I don’t like that has become basically MTV, playing mostly music all day. Not only that, but they have refused to play certain artists in the past, deeming them too intelligent for their audience.
Next, maybe I don’t watch enough TV. I see a couple hispanics, and not much else. I can’t think of a single television show made of primarily black characters currentlly aired on the big three (Or native americans either, since you brought it up). Sure there are token minorities tossed in here and there, but that’s it. That’s no different than BET though. There are a few non-black characters tossed in the few non-music shows they do air. At least BET calls itself what it is. The big three networks might as well call themselves WET, because that’s what they are.
What about Univision and Telemundo? Do you dislike them too?
Its amazing how some of you continue to put your foot in your mouth,but want to “discuss” race…hypocrisy on some of you. I’m glad that others are starting to pick up on it.
Lastly,fuck BET…it doesn’t do black people justice anyways. It used to…but its sold out to bullshit media…like MTV.
Only an idiot…or possibly racist idiot would need the explanation of why BET,Univision,and Telemondo were created in the first place.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Honestly, I don’t watch enough television to know the statistics regarding how many blacks are in starring roles in programs, news etc. But I do know that black people represent about 12% of the population and from my occasional viewing it seems that they are well represented on the big three networks as well as cable. Can you make that same claim regarding BET? Do whites represent about 88% of all television characters? Not hardly…no.
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But BET isn’t trying to create an equal representation of the population. Someone decided to offer something to a very specific target audience. I don’t see how people have a problem with this.