[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Since they were willing to gamble with their very lives on the future of this country, they probably were willing to walk down to the local school or union hall.
Anyone NOT willing to gamble with his/her very life for the future of their country is a waste of skin.[/quote]
I’m not arguing here, but looking for clarification. Are you saying that it would have been wrong for German troops to dodge the war sixty-five years ago?
mike
[quote]pat36 wrote:
I take him over Hillary. If Oprah keeps Hillary off the ballot, I’ll be a happy man.[/quote]
We can only hope!
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
I’m not arguing here, but looking for clarification. Are you saying that it would have been wrong for German troops to dodge the war sixty-five years ago? [/quote]
If their country was under attack, definitely!
[quote]hedo wrote:
As I mentioned I haven’t decided. The election is a year away. [/quote]
There are two things one can infer from this statement. One would be that you are satisfied with demagoguery and actually expect candidates to change their positions on some issues. It would imply that you do not value principles, and I hope that this ain’t the case. The only other explanation would be that you are either uninformed about what each candidate stands for and need more time to learn about them. And that one isn’t very probable given that you are active on the PWI board.
I am very confused by this attitude and can’t understand why some Americans treat the presidential candidates as if they were voting for American Idol. It should not be about name recognition (think W. Bush, H. Clinton…), hair style, wealth, nor is it about the best liar. It’s about ideology, conviction, platforms, and - if possible - consistency.
Guys, for the sake of innocent kids, world economy, the restoration of America’s positive image, and all that is Holy chose wisely. You fscked pretty badly voting Bush in the first time. You fscked up real bad by giving him a second mandate. Please keep in mind that no other country comes close to the influence America has on the world and as a result of your country being the sole hyperpower on the planet, the person that gets into the White House is a big deal for billions of people outside of your borders.
Chose wisely, get involved in politics, and at the very least, try not to sound complacent towards the issue. If not to the rest of the world who had to put up with the last seven years, at the very least you owe it to your forefathers.
[quote]lixy wrote:
There are two things one can infer from this statement. One would be that you are satisfied with demagoguery and actually expect candidates to change their positions on some issues. It would imply that you do not value principles, and I hope that this ain’t the case. The only other explanation would be that you are either uninformed about what each candidate stands for and need more time to learn about them. And that one isn’t very probable given that you are active on the PWI board.
I am very confused by this attitude and can’t understand why some Americans treat the presidential candidates as if they were voting for American Idol. It should not be about name recognition (think W. Bush, H. Clinton…), hair style, wealth, nor is it about the best liar. It’s about ideology, conviction, platforms, and - if possible - consistency.
Guys, for the sake of innocent kids, world economy, the restoration of America’s positive image, and all that is Holy chose wisely. You fscked pretty badly voting Bush in the first time. You fscked up real bad by giving him a second mandate. Please keep in mind that no other country comes close to the influence America has on the world and as a result of your country being the sole hyperpower on the planet, the person that gets into the White House is a big deal for billions of people outside of your borders.
Chose wisely, get involved in politics, and at the very least, try not to sound complacent towards the issue. If not to the rest of the world who had to put up with the last seven years, at the very least you owe it to your forefathers.[/quote]
I won’t presume to answer for Hedo, but I have to say, this is one of the most hilarious and transparent posts I have seen in months.
What the fuck does fsck mean?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I won’t presume to answer for Hedo, but I have to say, this is one of the most hilarious and transparent posts I have seen in months.[/quote]
I encourage you to elaborate on that thought. Well, if you can drop your signature petty ad hominems in favor of arguments that is…
My post wasn’t exclusively addressed to Heda. It was about all the people who don’t know yet what to stand for, have no interest in voting in the primaries, or worse, are waiting to see who will spend the most money to make up their minds. When an educated and politically-aware person tells me that he/she can’t pick a candidate yet when all the cards are on the table, I understand that they view the elections as a game where they expect - and welcome - bluff, aces being pulled out sleeves, low kicks, and other silliness. Whatever happened to standing for principles and fighting for them?
When invoking Bush, all of the American people I know shrug and say “he’ll be gone in a few anyway”. He is mediocre at best, and his lack of integrity is staggering. How many people are proud to have him as president? Seriously.
The “Don’t blame me, I voted for Gore” line is not working any more. You don’t have to content yourselves with giant douches and turd sandwiches. You can influence the process. Like I said previously, your ballots affect people all over the world. Stop settling!
P.S: Who gets your vote?
[quote]The Mage wrote:
What the fuck does fsck mean?[/quote]
[quote]lixy wrote:
I encourage you to elaborate on that thought. Well, if you can drop your signature petty ad hominems in favor of arguments that is…[/quote]
Of course - because I never offer up arguments to counter your propaganda, Lixy.
Ad hominems are insults in lieu of arguments. If I submit a bulletproof counterargument to some nonsense you spew forth and then at the end tack on an insult about you being a moron for spewing the nonsense, that is an insult not an ad hominem.
And what is the matter, Lixy? You are filled with so much ideological venom, being that you see the world as left-wing radicalism versus pure evil: don’t have the stomach someone returning in kind?
Free speech and political discussion can be a rough and tumble affair - wise up.
This shows your naivete - oh no, is this an ad hominem?
You are speaking out of two mouths - you keep suggesting that we voting Americans should really hunker down and think about who we are going to vote for, and then you whine because some of us voting Americans have the audacity to be patient and scrutinize candidates over the long haul of a candidacy rather than grab the first one we see.
You want us to pick on “principles” - of course, that is important. Other factors to consider are the ability to govern and the temperment the candidate would have in an emergency.
Ability to govern - tons of people have political principles and are passionate about them; that doesn’t mean they should be in a leadership position. Also, the President has to do business with other branches of government - he/she needs the ability to cajole, compromise, etc. Political opinions aren’t enough - political opinions are fine if you want to be a political science professor. You need more if you are going to be the leader of the free world.
Temperment in an emergency - every candidate can lay out his/her ideal plan for the future, and that, of course, matters. But another very important consideration is how would this person react in a situation they haven’t planned for or predicted? Having a principled plan is necessary, but it isn’t sufficient - how will my president act in a crisis when a national enemy threatens?
These are aspects of a president that you carefully measure over a period of time. You think the election is about ideology - we voting Americans know it is about far more.
You haven’t been able to discuss this rationally since you arrived here, so there is little hope you can now. I have always found it curious that you try so desperately to condescend to Americans about Bush (your existence seems to depend on it), but your screeds just don’t have the impact you want them to.
You ask America - not the wild-eyed left-wing of America, and you are foolish to use that as your starting point - the Bush presidency has been a mixed bag, not the obsessive fantasy that he is Lucifer that you continually and childishly try to press. Your lack of maturity on this issue has been embarrassing, so trying to lecture voting Americans and giving advice that we avoid voting for a repeat of Bush is frankly silly.
My ballots are for the American president. And, of course, I don’t have the line “Don’t blame me, I voted for Gore” since I didn’t - and, in retrospect, I wouldn’t have voted differently in 2000 and 2004.
I haven’t decided, but it won’t be a Democrat - on foreign policy, they are at best schizophrenic and at worst unserious.
[quote]lixy wrote:
There are two things one can infer from this statement. One would be that you are satisfied with demagoguery and actually expect candidates to change their positions on some issues. It would imply that you do not value principles, and I hope that this ain’t the case. The only other explanation would be that you are either uninformed about what each candidate stands for and need more time to learn about them. And that one isn’t very probable given that you are active on the PWI board.
I am very confused by this attitude and can’t understand why some Americans treat the presidential candidates as if they were voting for American Idol. It should not be about name recognition (think W. Bush, H. Clinton…), hair style, wealth, nor is it about the best liar. It’s about ideology, conviction, platforms, and - if possible - consistency.
Guys, for the sake of innocent kids, world economy, the restoration of America’s positive image, and all that is Holy chose wisely. You fscked pretty badly voting Bush in the first time. You fscked up real bad by giving him a second mandate. Please keep in mind that no other country comes close to the influence America has on the world and as a result of your country being the sole hyperpower on the planet, the person that gets into the White House is a big deal for billions of people outside of your borders.
Chose wisely, get involved in politics, and at the very least, try not to sound complacent towards the issue. If not to the rest of the world who had to put up with the last seven years, at the very least you owe it to your forefathers.[/quote]
…or it could be that we voters have a rough ranking of the candidates on both aisles, and who we actually cast our final ballot for depends on who wins the primaries.
Of course, I can’t say that I’m surprised that you would narrow down our reasons for hesitating to being either happily stupid or blissfully ignorant.
re: Bush:
First, as thunder touched on, Bush certainly hasn’t been perfect, but you’re woefully ignorant if you think all or nearly all Americans think he’s been a total train-wreck as POTUS. Again, you don’t live here, and no amount of internet articles, polls, and blogs can accurately replace that. You do not and cannot understand the general attitudes and feelings of typical Americans by hiding over in Sweden.
Also, remember that our elections in 2000 and 2004 were not free-for-alls. We could not seriously vote for whomever we wanted. It was W. or Al Gore in 2000, and W. or John Kerry in 2004. Those were pretty shitty alternatives even for those of us who were lukewarm on W. It’s not like we voted for W. over Jesus Christ himself.
Finally, remember that we did not have the benefit of hindsight when we voted, unlike you when you complain. So when you post a link and then tell us that we were fscking stupid for electing such an idiot, well, go fsck yourself.
Just because you think W is an incompetent idiot does not mean everyone does, and even if we did, we couldn’t possibly have known exactly what he was going to do as POTUS when we cast our ballots.
So lixster, just so we won’t be fscking stupid again, tell us exactly what idiotic things each candidate will do as POTUS? You know, so that we can avoid the stupid shit this time around.
[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
…or it could be that we voters have a rough ranking of the candidates on both aisles, and who we actually cast our final ballot for depends on who wins the primaries. [/quote]
Just so you know, turnout at the primaries gets in the single digits in some states.
If you vote in the primaries, more power to you. If you don’t, well, that’s the demographics I was addressing in my post.
I’m sorry you perceived in it that way. I’d love to hear other reasons you might come up with.
All or nearly all? Not a chance. The majority (around 70%)? Yes.
My point exactly. Stop settling!
Figures of turnout on election day don’t lie. It shows a severe disillusionment in politics.
Not in 2004.
Didn’t say you were “fscking stupid”. I did say that you fscked up by electing W. twice.
I don’t think he’s an incompetent idiot. He is not the brightest bulb nor the most articulate person, but he is serving his interests and those of his sponsors at the detriment of the US economy, human lives, and peace.
First of all, nobody said you were stupid. But if you folks stopped swallowing the “government knows best” line, it might be a good start. Oversight is your friend and it is your responsibility to demand some evidence next time.
As far as the election is concerned, use common sense and learn from other people’s mistakes. When you hear a candidate say that the world is out to get you, run like hell. When you see a candidate laughing nervously at every occasion, avoid him/her like the plague.
/rant over
And here is your problem, you are falling for the propaganda and politics that are attempting to destroy Bush. We are in our 73rd month of expansion, and yet you are saying Bush is destroying our economy for the benefit of a few people or groups. And still never mentioned these groups, or how they are being benefited.
I am certain you can come up with a group, but again only in the context of gossip, not facts.
The primaries draw in the most political people, while the election will bring out the more casual person.
I do not belong to any political party, so I don’t take part in the primaries. In order to vote in the Democrat primary I would have to register as a Democrat. I think the Republican party is different in this respect.
It is known here that to get a primary vote, the candidates have to move to the right or left, but for the election they have to move toward the middle.
As far as past elections, the vote for Bush was the right one in the past 2 elections. It is hard to see of you are blinded by your politics. (One of the reasons I never joined a political party.) This is a problem for people in both parties, and more so in the fringe parties.
Yes there are problems with Bush. He is not a perfect president, and has made a lot of mistakes. But people are running around acting like he is the fucking anti-Christ. It is so easy to find these people too, as they talk about the person, not the politics. There is a big difference between disagreeing with a politician, and hating that politician.
Too many people are more interested in gossip instead of actual politics. These are the people who are easily swayed, and are courted by the left in things like get out the vote, which only focuses on the young, who are easily influenced, and not as knowledgeable about the facts. But people in their 30’s to 50’s who tend to be more conservative, and are more likely to actually look deeper are ignored.
Bush won the last 2 elections because the alternative sucked.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Obama is likeable but he is about as suited for president as Jimmy Carter. [/quote]
That is exactly what I thought when I first read a profile of Obama in The New Yorker. He seems like a descent man, like Carter, and would make a good diplomat or Secretary of State, but both are too weak to make good presidents. I still like Obama more than Hillary.
On the Repulican side, I like Huckabee and McCain. Ron Paul is honest, but I think that while libertarianism made good sense in Jefferson’s day, it is a recipe for disaster today.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
Ron Paul is honest, but I think that while libertarianism made good sense in Jefferson’s day, it is a recipe for disaster today.
Look out!
Take cover, the loons will be swooping down on you any second.
[/quote]
I don’t blame people for being in love with him. The guy speaks his mind because even he doesn’t think he has a chance. If he were a front runner he’d be just as cautious and phony as the rest.
[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
As I mentioned I haven’t decided. The election is a year away.
There are two things one can infer from this statement. One would be that you are satisfied with demagoguery and actually expect candidates to change their positions on some issues. It would imply that you do not value principles, and I hope that this ain’t the case. The only other explanation would be that you are either uninformed about what each candidate stands for and need more time to learn about them. And that one isn’t very probable given that you are active on the PWI board.
I am very confused by this attitude and can’t understand why some Americans treat the presidential candidates as if they were voting for American Idol. It should not be about name recognition (think W. Bush, H. Clinton…), hair style, wealth, nor is it about the best liar. It’s about ideology, conviction, platforms, and - if possible - consistency.
Guys, for the sake of innocent kids, world economy, the restoration of America’s positive image, and all that is Holy chose wisely. You fscked pretty badly voting Bush in the first time. You fscked up real bad by giving him a second mandate. Please keep in mind that no other country comes close to the influence America has on the world and as a result of your country being the sole hyperpower on the planet, the person that gets into the White House is a big deal for billions of people outside of your borders.
Chose wisely, get involved in politics, and at the very least, try not to sound complacent towards the issue. If not to the rest of the world who had to put up with the last seven years, at the very least you owe it to your forefathers.[/quote]
I can only infer one thing from your post. You are a fucking idiot with way to much time on your hands. Or perhaps you are on a mission from God…or at the very least your cell leader. Still isn’t working by the way.
Too bad you don’t like girls. At least a girlfriend would keep you occupied.
You are a muslim radical. Hardly one to give advice about what is best for the world.
The answer remains I haven’t made up my mind who I am going to vote for so please take your opinion and go fuck yourself with it.
[quote]hedo wrote:
lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
As I mentioned I haven’t decided. The election is a year away.
There are two things one can infer from this statement. One would be that you are satisfied with demagoguery and actually expect candidates to change their positions on some issues. It would imply that you do not value principles, and I hope that this ain’t the case. The only other explanation would be that you are either uninformed about what each candidate stands for and need more time to learn about them. And that one isn’t very probable given that you are active on the PWI board.
I am very confused by this attitude and can’t understand why some Americans treat the presidential candidates as if they were voting for American Idol. It should not be about name recognition (think W. Bush, H. Clinton…), hair style, wealth, nor is it about the best liar. It’s about ideology, conviction, platforms, and - if possible - consistency.
Guys, for the sake of innocent kids, world economy, the restoration of America’s positive image, and all that is Holy chose wisely. You fscked pretty badly voting Bush in the first time. You fscked up real bad by giving him a second mandate. Please keep in mind that no other country comes close to the influence America has on the world and as a result of your country being the sole hyperpower on the planet, the person that gets into the White House is a big deal for billions of people outside of your borders.
Chose wisely, get involved in politics, and at the very least, try not to sound complacent towards the issue. If not to the rest of the world who had to put up with the last seven years, at the very least you owe it to your forefathers.
I can only infer one thing from your post. You are a fucking idiot with way to much time on your hands. Or perhaps you are on a mission from God…or at the very least your cell leader. Still isn’t working by the way.
Too bad you don’t like girls. At least a girlfriend would keep you occupied.
You are a muslim radical. Hardly one to give advice about what is best for the world.
The answer remains I haven’t made up my mind who I am going to vote for so please take your opinion and go fuck yourself with it.[/quote]
Kudos to Hedo - and perhaps the most transparent of Lixy’s nonsense: this time we Americans that vote need to think of the “innocent kids”.
[quote]hedo wrote:
…and go fsck yourself with it.
[/quote]
Fixed.
Ignore my negativity on this election cycle, I’m going to vote after all.