He seems honest and genuine and hasn’t been completely and utterly tainted by the corruption of DC yet.
How’s that for a reason?
I hope with every ounce of me that Ron Paul somehow miraculously wins the election. If not, I’ll take Obama over every other piece of shit in the running.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
He seems honest and genuine and hasn’t been completely and utterly tainted by the corruption of DC yet.
How’s that for a reason?
I hope with every ounce of me that Ron Paul somehow miraculously wins the election. If not, I’ll take Obama over every other piece of shit in the running.[/quote]
They are polar opposites.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
He seems honest and genuine and hasn’t been completely and utterly tainted by the corruption of DC yet.
How’s that for a reason?
I hope with every ounce of me that Ron Paul somehow miraculously wins the election. If not, I’ll take Obama over every other piece of shit in the running.
They are polar opposites.[/quote]
I back beliefs from both sides of the aisle. I don’t have to agree with everything liberal nor do I have to with everything conservative.
I’m somewhere in the middle with a lean to the left.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
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Are you going to vote Zap? If so, for whom?
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
He seems honest and genuine and hasn’t been completely and utterly tainted by the corruption of DC yet.
How’s that for a reason?
I hope with every ounce of me that Ron Paul somehow miraculously wins the election. If not, I’ll take Obama over every other piece of shit in the running.
They are polar opposites.
I back beliefs from both sides of the aisle. I don’t have to agree with everything liberal nor do I have to with everything conservative.
I’m somewhere in the middle with a lean to the left.[/quote]
That’s fine, but Ron Paul is on the EXTREME right. The only issue that the lefties like of his is Iraq. Let me throw you a few examples:
Obama-universal health care
Paul-end SS and medicare
Obama-only allow cops and retired cops to own guns
Paul-loosest gun laws possible
Obama-get the .gov into the environment
Paul-sell off public lands
I could go on, but why? I don’t understand how someone could think both of these guys are okay.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
He seems honest and genuine and hasn’t been completely and utterly tainted by the corruption of DC yet.
How’s that for a reason?
I hope with every ounce of me that Ron Paul somehow miraculously wins the election. If not, I’ll take Obama over every other piece of shit in the running.
They are polar opposites.
I back beliefs from both sides of the aisle. I don’t have to agree with everything liberal nor do I have to with everything conservative.
I’m somewhere in the middle with a lean to the left.
That’s fine, but Ron Paul is on the EXTREME right. The only issue that the lefties like of his is Iraq. Let me throw you a few examples:
Obama-universal health care
Paul-end SS and medicare
Obama-only allow cops and retired cops to own guns
Paul-loosest gun laws possible
Obama-get the .gov into the environment
Paul-sell off public lands
I could go on, but why? I don’t understand how someone could think both of these guys are okay.
mike[/quote]
I also like that Ron Paul is all for civil liberties, I believe he voted against the Patriot Act. I also like his loose gun laws. I also am for him letting states individually have more rights.
I’m for some, against some. If I had to pick a republican, it would be Ron. If I had to pick a democrat, it would be Obama. Those two seem like the least terrible choices among the dems and repubs.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
tedro wrote:
SinisterMinister wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
I think that there is enough racism alive to keep Obama out, I’m sorry to say. While I think he’s the least qualified candidate to run in either party, I don’t want him to lose because of racism, but those are the facts.
He has to win some of the red states, tell me which ones he’d win if he were to be the nominee?
Mississippi perhaps?
It will surely be both. About 20% to 25% of all blacks actually vote.
The South leans red anyway, but primarily because of their conservative social stance, not because of race. Keep in mind that the % of blacks in Southern states (with the notable exception of Texas) is significantly higher than you’ll find in most other states. For example, Mississippi is 37% black, while the US itself is 12% black (US Census Bureau, 2005).
I don’t think being black will be Obama’s issue in the South, it will be his politics.
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Perhaps, but remember this when black leaders play the Race card – they can’t get their ‘people’ to even show up to vote, yet it’s whitey’s fault their man doesn’t win.
Sure, there’s racism everywhere. Likewise, there are people who won’t vote for Hillary because she’s a woman, who won’t vote for Romney because he’s Mormon, or for Kucinich because he’s an elf.
There are also people who will vote for Obama BECAUSE he’s black, Hillary BECAUSE she’s a woman, Romney BECAUSE he’s Mormon. Is that much less ridiculous? Race ISN’T Obama’s biggest hurdle in the South. He’s WAAAAY too Left for them.
Obama has no chance in my opinion, my nod goes to Huckabee as of today, he did well for us in Arkansas except for all of the pardons he granted, and he is getting better on immigration…finally.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
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Yes I will vote. I will probably pull the lever for the Republican Presidential candidate. I am not sure about Congress. I have an incumbent Dem who isn’t too terribly bad. His Republican opponent in the last election was an idiot. We will see what the Republicans put up this time before I decide on that one.
Hillary is not electable. She will not get the nomination because the more people see of her, the less they like her. It played in NY but it will not play across the US. As for a command of the issues, as long as she stays on message she is fine but she can’t answer a question and the media seems to timid to ask her anything difficult. Eventually she will be confronted and hounded and this will be her downfall.
Obama has the momentum now. They will trade the lead back and forth but I think his momentum carries him thru super Tuesday and locks it up for him. Hillary will muddy the waters but not enough to swing the election. Obama is likeable but he is about as suited for president as Jimmy Carter. The comparisons will be pointed out. His postion on gun control, ultimately will cost him. The NRA will mobilize like never before if either he or Hillary get the nod. A block of 2-3 million votes plus the money will turn a close election. The NRA can provide that margin. Make no mistake the next election will be close.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Hillary is not electable. She will not get the nomination because the more people see of her, the less they like her. It played in NY but it will not play across the US. As for a command of the issues, as long as she stays on message she is fine but she can’t answer a question and the media seems to timid to ask her anything difficult. Eventually she will be confronted and hounded and this will be her downfall.
Obama has the momentum now. They will trade the lead back and forth but I think his momentum carries him thru super Tuesday and locks it up for him. Hillary will muddy the waters but not enough to swing the election. Obama is likeable but he is about as suited for president as Jimmy Carter. The comparisons will be pointed out. His postion on gun control, ultimately will cost him. The NRA will mobilize like never before if either he or Hillary get the nod. A block of 2-3 million votes plus the money will turn a close election. The NRA can provide that margin. Make no mistake the next election will be close.[/quote]
Unless Rudy is her opponent, she’s got a lock on New York and then California, of course. Hell, she’s almost halfway to the Presidency NOW. If she is smart enough to get Obama for VP, there goes Illinois. That’s a hell of a lot of electoral college votes.
I’d put her at 70-30 to win it all w/o Rudy and 60-40 if Rudy runs against her.
Let’s face it: we’ve got Madam President.
Mick and HH,
I sure hope you guys are wrong. Hillary with Obama as VP would be interesting. I share your vomit reflex when thinking about the potential outcome.
The Republicans will no doubt go after Hillary pretty hard and I think she has a lot of isues that she tries to keep quiet. The Dems don’t speak about them. I don’t think the Republicans will grant her the same courtesy.
I think the case about Rudy and the Christian Right is a little overblown — people who stay home would be balanced out by Rudy getting more of the people who are Pro-Gay marriage and so forth. It might be a wash.
New York has a lot of electoral votes, a big reason Hillary moved there and became a Senator from there.
My point is that giving NY, Cal, Illinois to Hillary is one hell of a headstart for any Republican to overcome. Bush did it because of the repugnance we had for Bill and his buddies. Are any of the present candidates capable of doing such a Reagan-esqe task? I don’t know.
Does anyone think that Ron Paul could do that? He’s certainly got the personality, but his ideas are too far ahead of their time. We have to wait for an economic collapse to get people to abandon the current system of Big Government.
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Hedo, which presidential candidate would you vote for (provided you show up at the booths)? Are you one of those Americans who vote for a party and not for a candidate.