[quote]Karado wrote:
“There is certainly NO scriptural precedent for no drinking at all.”
Neither is there any Scriptual Precedent for prohibiting using the God provided herb, Marijuana.
In moderation…of course.[/quote]
Correct. However, there is a prohibition to breaking the law of the land, unless said law is unjust.[/quote]
I disagree. It isn’t about it being just or not. We are to obey the law of the land unless it violates God’s law. Even unjust ones. If the law is to not smoke it, you should obey that law, unless you think doing so violates God’s law. Meaning you think God told us to smoke it.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I like the Baptists. They are deeply religious (which I respect a lot) and not just out to fleece the sheep and bark orders. They really believe in god, whereas catholics are basically money grabbers and actually are atheists(worshipping a false idol, the church).[/quote]
lawl.[/quote]
Revealing pic…old fairy walking around in a costume. Baptists don’t do that. A man should dress like a man, not like a clown.
Shephard’s Hook too…how appropriate for the mindless sheep.
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[quote]Karado wrote:
“There is certainly NO scriptural precedent for no drinking at all.”
Neither is there any Scriptual Precedent for prohibiting using the God provided herb, Marijuana.
In moderation…of course.[/quote]
Correct. However, there is a prohibition to breaking the law of the land, unless said law is unjust.[/quote]
I disagree. It isn’t about it being just or not. We are to obey the law of the land unless it violates God’s law. Even unjust ones. If the law is to not smoke it, you should obey that law, unless you think doing so violates God’s law. Meaning you think God told us to smoke it.[/quote]
Lol. You basically just said, I disagree and I agree.
By unjust, I’m referring to God’s law. That’s the “standard.” Example, if the government said I couldn’t evangelize publicly, I’d break the law because not only do I have a right, I have a responsibility and duty to evangelize.
Baptists are interesting people to me. I know a genuinely hardcore Baptist and I tried to explain to him how the Bible says that PI = 3. (Its in Kings where they build a swimming pool for the king, 30 cubits around and 10 across)
Circular pool…30 divided 10…is three.
He went ballistic and said it was all a mistranslation, god put that in there to test our faith, and so on.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Baptists are interesting people to me. I know a genuinely hardcore Baptist and I tried to explain to him how the Bible says that PI = 3. (Its in Kings where they build a swimming pool for the king, 30 cubits around and 10 across)
Circular pool…30 divided 10…is three.
He went ballistic and said it was all a mistranslation, god put that in there to test our faith, and so on.
I found the conversation fascinating indeed.[/quote]
Headhunter strikes me as the kind of guy who always relates anecdotes where the characters use his name to start every sentence they say to him. “So then my Baptist friend says to me, ‘Well Headhunter, that there is an example of God testing your faith.’”
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Baptists are interesting people to me. I know a genuinely hardcore Baptist and I tried to explain to him how the Bible says that PI = 3. (Its in Kings where they build a swimming pool for the king, 30 cubits around and 10 across)
Circular pool…30 divided 10…is three.
He went ballistic and said it was all a mistranslation, god put that in there to test our faith, and so on.
I found the conversation fascinating indeed.[/quote]
I’ll bet you really showed him. You’re cool.[/quote]
Drinking is considered unwise because it can lead to poor choices, circumspect company which could corrupt one’s character or witness, and is easy to become addicted to. In the past, the denomination sought to influence its members from getting the ball rolling from the start. That is probably still true - I never hear about it. In a world where many say ‘Forget you’ to God, there are other issues we concern ourselves with.
That said - I am a Baptist, have a drink or two on occasion. I do not promote this or flaunt it, as I do not want to bring down a weaker Brother. When asked - even as a Sunday School teacher (in the past) - I do not deny the fact.
The Bible warns against being a drunkard and, not having a social drink.
[quote]treco wrote:
Drinking is considered unwise because it can lead to poor choices, circumspect company which could corrupt one’s character or witness, and is easy to become addicted to. In the past, the denomination sought to influence its members from getting the ball rolling from the start. That is probably still true - I never hear about it. In a world where many say ‘Forget you’ to God, there are other issues we concern ourselves with.
That said - I am a Baptist, have a drink or two on occasion. I do not promote this or flaunt it, as I do not want to bring down a weaker Brother. When asked - even as a Sunday School teacher (in the past) - I do not deny the fact.
The Bible warns against being a drunkard and, not having a social drink.[/quote]
Thank you for your answer and thank you for being honest. I have alway been genuinely curious about that. I know that technically Baptist churches are autonomous but have alliance with the SBC, most of them.
I guess I want to know why it’s generally forbidden, when it is not really scriptural. Of course I am not talking about being a drunkard, just being able to drink. Do you know the liturgical basis behind it?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Headhunter strikes me as the kind of guy who always relates anecdotes where the characters use his name to start every sentence they say to him. “So then my Baptist friend says to me, ‘Well Headhunter, that there is an example of God testing your faith.’”[/quote]
Headhunter strikes me as the kind of guy who always…who always…who always is on the verge of his third nervous breakdown.[/quote]
I just think, in his core, the the very center of his heart, he is a complete asshole who should be ignored.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I’m still waiting to hear the answer to that alcohol question. I’ve often wondered this, myself.
If I may be totally honest, it’s always struck me as a way to appear more “holy” than other Christians.
Jesus’ very first miracle, for crying out loud, was not turning water into grape soda.[/quote]
Baptists teach it was grape juice.
The alcohol question is one that I believe has been distorted by Baptists to advance a teetotaling stance. There are many verses in Scripture that definitely teach that drinking alcohol to excess is unwise. This is extrapolated to the extent that all alcohol consumption is to be avoided, even sinful - kinda along the lines of the ol’ adage, “When in doubt, don’t.”[/quote]
Not all of them do that, I have heard it, but I don’t believe it’s a common belief among Baptists. I guess we need real Baptists to tell us.
I have heard the grape juice thing and I find it sad when they do that, but I don’t believe it’s a widely held belief. Each church is autonomous, so where one may teach that, others do not.
I went to a Wesleyan Methodist church until my early teens. They do not drink alcohol and believe Jesus turned water into grape juice. There was a lady at church who would not drink root beer because beer was in the name. I kid you not.
[quote]treco wrote:
Drinking is considered unwise because it can lead to poor choices, circumspect company which could corrupt one’s character or witness, and is easy to become addicted to. In the past, the denomination sought to influence its members from getting the ball rolling from the start. That is probably still true - I never hear about it. In a world where many say ‘Forget you’ to God, there are other issues we concern ourselves with.
That said - I am a Baptist, have a drink or two on occasion. I do not promote this or flaunt it, as I do not want to bring down a weaker Brother. When asked - even as a Sunday School teacher (in the past) - I do not deny the fact.
The Bible warns against being a drunkard and, not having a social drink.[/quote]Very good. Jesus turned water into wine at the wedding at Cana after they had drunk all the available wine and the notion that those 1st century Jewish weddings were anything other than a party down celebration is simply wrong. That said, drunkenness is listed among the things that reveal a person to be yet lost in sin.
Ours is an inner city church where many have been delivered from bondage to drugs and alcohol. Including myself. Drinking is not encouraged but is not forbidden under pain of discipline either. Couldn’t I have just one? Maybe. I don’t care. I do not drink. Ever. There is no good reason why I should and a dozen good ones why I shouldn’t. My walk with Jesus is eternally more important to me. It just isn’t an issue.
[quote]treco wrote:
Drinking is considered unwise because it can lead to poor choices, circumspect company which could corrupt one’s character or witness, and is easy to become addicted to. In the past, the denomination sought to influence its members from getting the ball rolling from the start. That is probably still true - I never hear about it. In a world where many say ‘Forget you’ to God, there are other issues we concern ourselves with.
That said - I am a Baptist, have a drink or two on occasion. I do not promote this or flaunt it, as I do not want to bring down a weaker Brother. When asked - even as a Sunday School teacher (in the past) - I do not deny the fact.
The Bible warns against being a drunkard and, not having a social drink.[/quote]Very good. Jesus turned water into wine at the wedding at Cana after they had drunk all the available wine and the notion that those 1st century Jewish weddings were anything other than a party down celebration is simply wrong. That said, drunkenness is listed among the things that reveal a person to be yet lost in sin.
Ours is an inner city church where many have been delivered from bondage to drugs and alcohol. Including myself. Drinking is not encouraged but is not forbidden under pain of discipline either. Couldn’t I have just one? Maybe. I don’t care. I do not drink. Ever. There is no good reason why I should and a dozen good ones why I shouldn’t. My walk with Jesus is eternally more important to me. It just isn’t an issue.
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This sounds like a very reasonable stance.
If a church tried to convince me the wedding at Cana was about to be ruined because they ran out of grape juice, I’d wonder what else they’d made up or warped to fit their agenda.
[quote]treco wrote:
Drinking is considered unwise because it can lead to poor choices, circumspect company which could corrupt one’s character or witness, and is easy to become addicted to. In the past, the denomination sought to influence its members from getting the ball rolling from the start. That is probably still true - I never hear about it. In a world where many say ‘Forget you’ to God, there are other issues we concern ourselves with.
That said - I am a Baptist, have a drink or two on occasion. I do not promote this or flaunt it, as I do not want to bring down a weaker Brother. When asked - even as a Sunday School teacher (in the past) - I do not deny the fact.
The Bible warns against being a drunkard and, not having a social drink.[/quote]Very good. Jesus turned water into wine at the wedding at Cana after they had drunk all the available wine and the notion that those 1st century Jewish weddings were anything other than a party down celebration is simply wrong. That said, drunkenness is listed among the things that reveal a person to be yet lost in sin.
Ours is an inner city church where many have been delivered from bondage to drugs and alcohol. Including myself. Drinking is not encouraged but is not forbidden under pain of discipline either. Couldn’t I have just one? Maybe. I don’t care. I do not drink. Ever. There is no good reason why I should and a dozen good ones why I shouldn’t. My walk with Jesus is eternally more important to me. It just isn’t an issue.
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Well, I wouldn’t say there is a dichotomy either drink or God. God gave us drink, but even so with meat and St. Paul, if one is finding himself in an occasion of sin (remember that occasion of sin) one should find himself out of that occasion.
[quote]treco wrote:
Drinking is considered unwise because it can lead to poor choices, circumspect company which could corrupt one’s character or witness, and is easy to become addicted to. In the past, the denomination sought to influence its members from getting the ball rolling from the start. That is probably still true - I never hear about it. In a world where many say ‘Forget you’ to God, there are other issues we concern ourselves with.
That said - I am a Baptist, have a drink or two on occasion. I do not promote this or flaunt it, as I do not want to bring down a weaker Brother. When asked - even as a Sunday School teacher (in the past) - I do not deny the fact.
The Bible warns against being a drunkard and, not having a social drink.[/quote]
Thank you for your answer and thank you for being honest. I have alway been genuinely curious about that. I know that technically Baptist churches are autonomous but have alliance with the SBC, most of them.
I guess I want to know why it’s generally forbidden, when it is not really scriptural. Of course I am not talking about being a drunkard, just being able to drink. Do you know the liturgical basis behind it?[/quote]
Liturgy I associate more with the tone and order of public worship.
Railing against drinking would come during the 2-3 hour sermons, hehe
My guess is that it is ‘Legalism’ and an area that Baptists have decided is a point where they want to differentiate themselves to illustrate a devotion to holiness.
Similar admonitions would be against dancing - sweaty hormone charged bodies being held closely or card playing being only one step from tarot reading or divinations.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Headhunter strikes me as the kind of guy who always relates anecdotes where the characters use his name to start every sentence they say to him. “So then my Baptist friend says to me, ‘Well Headhunter, that there is an example of God testing your faith.’”[/quote]
Headhunter strikes me as the kind of guy who always…who always…who always is on the verge of his third nervous breakdown.[/quote]
I just think, in his core, the the very center of his heart, he is a complete asshole who should be ignored.[/quote]
Making fun of delusional religious zealots is not a sign of assholishness. Having a mind and not using it, shutting off your brain so that you can have your God and eat Him too…THAT is assholishness.
