Balkanization/Civil War II/American Decline

@mr.v3lv3t The burrito bowl is not a safe bet when your local Chipotle can’t cook rice to the proper tenderness or chicken to a high enough temperature.

@cyclonengineer I share your frustrations because there is a lot about Chipotle that I want to like. Quality meat and veggies cooked in front of me? With good seasoning? Sign me up. Unfortunately, my idealized notions of what Chipotle should be providing me as a consumer are not in line with what my neighborhood Chipotle can actually sell me.

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Unfortunately, too many of them have a crappy attitude. Like they’re too good for their shitty job and DESERVE to have a better one, not because of their skills or work ethic (which they lack) but for the simple fact that they exist.

I can excuse a young kid who’s clumsy and insecure but is trying his best but the sense of entitlement is off the charts.

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Good post.

I too, was exposed to video porn at a very early age! I was twelve years old, and that was in 1991, nearly a decade before I discovered the Internet. And I think might have seen graphic magazines before that. I wish I had never seen porn, ever! I estimate it has been about a dozen years since I viewed it.

Some modern porn now has actual rape, coercion, sex trafficking, violence, and incest and underaged themes. This is vile. Exodus Cry has made several documentaries on this sick stuff, including interviews with the sick freaks who make such content. Anyone looking to quit porn might actually succeed after they view such disturbing interviews. I give that brand big credit in fighting this.

I see @startingagain ‘s point. But when I think of boys, as young as twelve years old, who I grew up with, who were both sexually predatory and who had no problem with getting female attention, they liked viewing porn along with what they got. Though I cannot prove it, I am convinced porn was a factor (amongst a few others) in their predatory behavior.

Again, I’m talking early to mid 90s, before kids even knew what the Internet was.

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Thankfully we have a good alternative chain here called Tijuana Flats that tastes better and still uses fresh cooked ingredients.

Plus they have an amazing array of hot sauces.

Good ‘ol capitalism providing an alternative for the demanding burrito consumer.

I see the point @tlgains was trying to make regarding certain jobs that require education and still pay horribly (i.e. public school teachers in Florida are paid like shit and cap out at 65K a year - probably the reason the US is falling so far behind in math and science and Floridas literacy scores are some of the lowest in the country).

However for low skill, low requirement jobs I completely agree with you.

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as young as twelve years old, who I grew up with, who were both sexually predatory and who had no problem with getting female attention, they liked viewing porn alo

I’m not convinced at all porn was a factor since these types of teens/men have always existed. They existed where my parents grew up in rural India, and there was no porn there back then (not even pics or magazines). Some guys are just like that, and that trait gets amplified during puberty.

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Yeah, those issues go beyond the inability to roll a burrito, let alone evenly distributing the insides of that burrito for a balanced bite. We’re departing the quaint and sleepy village of disappointment for the barren tundra of inedible.

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I do want to respond since I appreciate the reply.

I first watched porn a few weeks before my 13th bday, but it truthfully never affected me in the slightest. I’m definitely projecting, but it’s very hard for me to understand how porn can affect someone negatively and be addicting. Wouldn’t porn just cause a guy to want to do the real thing ASAP? I also don’t personally know anyone who has been negatively affected by porn, which also clouds my view. I’m 28 btw.

My classmates did dumb things and thought dumb things about sex as teens, but that was independent of porn. We were hormonal teens. It would’ve been weird for us not to have a dumb view about sex haha.

We had an old copy of Oui magazine from the 1970’s that was a treasured neighborhood heirloom. Between that magazine and the help of our older brothers we were able to piece together most of the important facts about scoring with chicks by the time we were freshman in high school.

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I vividly remember the first film I saw, the “stars”, its title, and some scenes. And that was in 1991! Porn actually “tattoos the brain,” so to speak. Being a late Gen Xer, I’ve seen epic films but cannot vividly remember many scenes. For some time I wondered why porn sticks to the brain even decades later. Then I found out why.

That’s actually one of the reasons I stopped watching it, though not the reason I grew to hate it. Memories of films would come to mind during sex and interfere with actual bonding.

“1. The brain is “tattooed” with porn.

Your brain is designed to remember important situations and events. When you see porn, your brain gets the signal that something important has happened. Consequently, porn can leave an imprint of the image on the brain long after is viewed. Many people who have quit looking at porn still have minds full of pornographic images—images that won’t leave. One of our readers recently commented, “Even though I haven’t viewed porn in quite a while, I still have very vivid images in my mind that make me want to go back to it.” This kind of experience with porn is extremely common.”

I’m not quite sure this is related to Brick’s thread, but sometimes when it comes to arguments pertaining maybe welfare, wages, or jobs someone may bring up the principle of contributing to society.

I suppose for the majority this would be through a career, part time job, volunteer, business ownership or whatever.

What I’m trying to gauge from you all, is if the principle of “One should contribute to society” is a principle that any one of you truly believe in. If so, I would love to hear your perspective as to why. In small areas of my life, I’ve witnessed the greatness of groups of people contributing towards a singular or several goals and it is beautiful (school and where I work). The bigger picture to me is how people of that mindset treat others. I am yet to meet “givers” who gave off excessive narcissistic behavior.

Typically, when I hear of someone calling another person lazy because they don’t work, I tend to think the person who is doing the berating, is moreso miserable and wants that person to work to death rather than having a good reason to call that person lazy.

But, perhaps this is silly and some people truly believe in contributing to society (as in other people). Do any of you?

Thoughts?

I do. The whole point of society is cooperating to ensure the well-being of its members. Is there even a plausible argument against this?

However the US has degenerated into a low-trust society and there is no fixing this, I believe. Hence the title of this thread. You know Balkanization, secession.

American culture (what characterizes society) has become trashy, stupid, unserious, and vulgar. Yet if someone is engaged in “culture war” some consider him stupid.

So, what’s supposed, is that concern for entertainment and news media, education, the courts, marriage, family, law enforcement— all major institutions—is stupid!

Many Americans don’t like, look down upon, and don’t trust other Americans. Should I contribute to such a society? I mean, I think I do to a degree, and I’m a civic-minded person. Should I, such a person, continue caring about this society at large considering much of its inhabitants not only don’t care about my concerns, but the well-being of my children, and children generally.

I’ve even been told my concerns and worries are stupid. If they don’t care about me, I don’t care about them.

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I’ll also add that some people who enjoy wrecking American society are memorialized and glorified by Americans.

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Who are these people that are glorified Brick? Politicians?

Criminals, entertainers, some of the billionaire class, and people famous for being famous.

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Could you maybe share a little more on how entertainers contribute to the corruption of society?

I have never really thought entertainers contribute to that? Are you referring to music?

Perhaps I’ll touch on this later, though I think it’s obvious.

Anyway, I’m not engaged in a so-called “culture war”. I’m one lone man with no influence. I can only transmit anything cultural to my children. And in this day and age that might not even be successful.

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A couple of reasons that weren’t touched upon in the thread - effects of social media. Nowadays, through social media “absolute” criteria of success are presented to men (and women, but that’s another story) - Lambos, private jets, a harem of b*tches… This means that an American redneck, a Punjabi farmer and a Nigerian street trader are indoctrinated with the same concept of “absolute” success.

A hundred years ago being relatively good looking, and your family owned the biggest farm in your county, you were “successful” and the most desirable mate for a large geographical pool of young women. Now, men see these “absolute” criteria, subconsciously calculate the odds of “success”, realize they’re unattainable and decide not to play the game - you’ve got drugs, porn, and games.

A mirror process is happening to women/girls - social customs and mores from the most affluent bubbles of Western (mostly American) society are mindlessly copied by girls/women in culturally and economically drastically different societies.

In other words, an attractive girl won’t hook up during the village fair with the good looking guy whose father owns the largest farm, but will employ stratagems originally designed to pique interest and trap “high net worth individuals” in NYC or LA. Which in turn means that a man is supposed to jump through many hoops - financially, socially, communication-wise - to get ostensibly the same result as his grand-grandfather with “do you want to dance”. And yet again, he feels that the game is rigged, unwinnable and that it’s best not to play. And even if they get together they will be both unhappy because he’s conditioned to expect Lambos and b*tches and while she expects a “high net worth individual” that won’t come anytime soon.

This may sound weird, but the super anodyne show that is Friends damaged my generation (late Xers, early Millennials) because it subconsciously conditioned many that one’s twenties are basically hanging out with your friends constantly and dating a shitload of very attractive people. And that’s the tamest possible example, Sex and the City did a shitload of societal damage to women everywhere.

I shudder to think what TikTok is doing to the Gen Z-ers.

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Punjabi farmer

What was that about my grandpa?!!

Haha, really good post. I personally enjoy this “absolute criteria” since it was obvious to me as a kid even before social media (or watching lots of TV). However, I can totally understand it being a net negative to society.

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@twojarslave I saw your reply before the post was deleted and decided to wait until it was gone before I responded, assuming you wanted to further attention drawn to it.

But I did not want to forget to inform you that Westbrook is currently home to the best tacos and burritos in the state of Maine.