Will read. Thank you. @burien_top_team
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Why does that surprise you?
Well, perhaps not “right-leaning” libertarians. The left-leaning ones seem to be all about non-confrontation. @NickViar
Me, I think I have a libertarian streak, and think like many on LR’s site.
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Libertarian tends to mean ‘left leaning but not trying to throw you in jail’
Conservative tends to mean ‘right leaning but not on-board with the military-industrial complex’
I’ve noticed a difference in the two, regarding who claims what. A conservative always says ‘conservative’ but a left-leaning libertarian will tend to say ‘libertarian’. It’s just codexxed.
I can’t argue with what they mean to you, but those are not typical meanings.
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This post isn’t a dig at anyone on here, but i’d like to speak my mind on vaccines. In particular the covid vaccine.
I believe many have needlessly politicised the vaccine, using indexes they don’t quite understand like the VAERS (taken out of context), the lack of herd immunity, post-marketing reports of myocarditis etc to justify why the covid shot is so uniquely dangerous.
There is no evidence to suggest covid vaccines can damage the immune systems of the young. There is no evidence to suggest covid-19 in it’s current form is particularly dangerous to young, healthy people either.
The mandates are madness, but the people harping on about how they’re true patriots for never getting vaccinated are being equally ridiculous.
Autoimmune hepatitis is a very rare (like you’ve won the lottery rare) complication of vaccination, and the side effect isn’t sole to covid vaccines. As to myocarditis, the side effect is relatively uncommon and predominantly benign as in it resolves itself.
If we used VAERS to justify why vaccines are dangerous no one would ever take a flu shot ever again. I’ve had FOUR covid-19 shots for reference (long story as to why). Two AZ, two pfizer. With AZ you had the tiny risk of a blood clot, and the risk from dying from it was less than 1/1,000,000 in Australia. With mRNA you have the risk of myocarditis which is around 1/30,000 or so, but more common in younger people. Mostly benign
An older person is more likely to get myocarditis from covid than they are the vaccine. For an 18 year old the vaccine is arguably more likely to cause complications however then I’ve been told it’s the individualism vs collectivism argument. If the 18 year old catches it and passes it onto someone who is 90 you could have a problem. However this argument is dumb because the vaccine doesn’t provide herd immunity and given how infectious omicron is it hardly reduces the rate of transmission regardless if you’re vaccinated or not. The 90 year old will get it anyway.
If this were the alpha variant covid would have died out by now.
I know it’s off topic, but the panic over vaccines is beyond my understanding. Who cares about a covid shot? Get it… don’t get it! It doesn’t matter anymore… I got covid last year (delta) and got quite sick, it was like a bad flu. My brother got omicron this year and was COMPLETELY asymptomatic! Everyone I know who got omicron hardly felt it. Yet a swath of the Australian population is practically begging for restrictions to come back because hospitals are struggling under the weight of omicron + a bad flu season… not my problem, we had two years to prepare yet outside of locking down we did nothing.
It’s not like the measles shot, the tetanus shot or the polio vaccine where you really, really should be vaccinated. Covid is like a hyper infectious, bad common cold with the current BA4-5 sub variant. If you have risk factors, are above a certain age etc you are more likely to go to hospital from covid.
Why is this vaccine so scary? Why should someone be deemed “superior” or “inferior” from a political standpoint over a covid jab? Unless hospitals are filling up with unvaccinated, which they aren’t anymore as the at risk populations have either died or gotten covid themselves. Why are people still talking about covid shots?
Of all dangers we could expose children too. Driving fast, no booster seats, going skiing etc… Covid vaccines rank amongst the least risky. There was a statistical analysis somewhere that came to the conclusion one is more likely to die on the drive to/from your medical centre to get the vaccine than you are to actually die FROM the vaccine.
One-hundred year old man recognizes decline.
Decline? How so?
Are you referring to how the US went downhill or how is he recognizing it?
Personally I can’t imagine the USA he grew up in being good for EVERYONE.
To me it’s always been downhill.
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Did you watch the video?
Do you have any evidence it was bad for MOST or generally?
I think I know where you’re going with this but I also think I shouldn’t ask. I don’t mean this personally but I’ve noticed if an American recognizes what was good or better in the past, they must be reminded of what was worse or bad in the past.
I also think I know exactly what they’re going to bring up. Usually I’m right.
They’re also quick to point out, “it was never perfect,” which is already known to any reasonable person.
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If MOST says it was good then I would have to believe it was good for MOST and no one else.
The might have actually been the case, as it has been in many countries for who knows how long. I believe there are parts of this world in which things going good or on equal footing for everyone is impossible. That’s not what I’d prefer to see in the world though, only what I believe is reality.
Anyway, regarding the main topic of the thread, do you think a correction for this terminally downhill trajectory would be civil war and a subsequent fragmentation/secession?
I think the correction is trying to get more progressives in the government (supreme court or even a president. I have faith that will come with time (cause people don’t live forever), glad the younger generation tends to have more progressive views.
Also I believe a civil war is a terrible idea and it also won’t happen. A civil war would be shut down by the military so easily. Either things will get better or America will just collapse on itself (probably the second option lol).
I dont get it. (Still being serious.) Why would you want non-progressives, possibly hostile to your cause, and trying to undermine it, around?
Wouldn’t it best to part ways? In a hypothetical, all-progressive state you can even have a covenant stating that anyone who undermines progressivism will be invited to leave.
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Yeah it would
Lol yeah, we can be the Divided States of America
might as well embrace it
Just kidding, no I don’t think it’s a good idea
If it led to the divided states seceding and becoming two (or multiple) separate nations concurrently existing in harmony I’d be all for it
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If that happens, I hope North Korea wipes the whole country off the planet.
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Let’s be honest with him: It would be bad for Progressives as well. It always is, unless you’re easily fooled.
Wut???