If you do decide to read any of Dan’s stuff, I think Never Let Go is a slightly better entry point. But as @dagill2 has suggested, a lot of his content sort of blurs together, so you can’t go wrong either way.
Thanks! I read some of that conversation and chuckled. If I can do it, anyone can. Especially a grown man. I bet @omats feels similarly.
A grown man with 50 years experience lifting and who is as strong as they need to be, no less.
That is damn impressive right there.
That is, no joke, why I want to self-destruct from lifting. I do NOT want to be the 60 year old guy in the weightroom still trying to “figure it out”. At that age, I want to be done with this, fat, wearing a comfy sweater eating my wife’s cookies and telling my grandkids stories of my glory years.
I, for one, am absolutely fine with the idea of a 60 something not being able to do pull ups. When I’m 60 something, I’m not going to beat myself up if I can’t do pull ups without injuring myself. What I wouldn’t be happy with is training for 50 years and achieving so little in that time that I can’t even conceive of doing 50 pull ups in a day. That wouldn’t sit well with me.
TL:DR: not being able to do X at 60 is fine, never having been able to do X, or even getting close enough to admit X is possible, is not. Or it wouldn’t be for me.
Ya, that’s what I mean. I don’t care what anyone can lift: I’d just hope to be done with all this by that point. What more is there to learn about? I like “talking shop” just fine, but there’s only so many ways to lift a weight.
But we haven’t established whether the arms-up or arms-down compound nautilus curl is superior. These are vital fundamentals that must be determined.
Thats just basic “secret formula” searching to me. I think we’re all doing that to an extent. Could I get bigger and stronger with just a barbell and some plates? Absolutely. Then why do I also own a squat stand, kettlebells, sandbags, etc. etc. etc.? Because they may be more efficient or more fun.
I think it might be the result of very siloed thinking. It makes me wonder how much of a bubble we’re in on this site, particularly those of us who never venture far from these forums. How is that affecting my expectations and assumptions? Is 531 really the way, the truth and the light?
Thank you, just consistently greasing the groove for a decent chunk of time.
This isn’t a terrible explanation of the Internet on the whole.
Coffinworm C2W1D2
Bench
35x8
55x5
75x5
85x5
97.5x5
85x5
97.5x3
107.5x2 PR
Deadlift
125x5
145x3
170x5x5
SA BB Row
+50x14
+40x14
Dips 12,12,10
Band pull aparts
Did 5 hill sprints followed by a 1 mile run. It was nice to get to the park early. No one was at the hill, so I could suffer in peace.
Nice view afterwards
I didn’t eat as much yesterday, and I felt it today. Stress lowers my appetite a lot, and this program isn’t very high volume, which doesn’t help. But to still manage a PR is good enough for me. My best 1RM on bench is a grindy 110, and today’s first rep with 107.5 moved so quickly that a double felt doable.
I’m honestly sort of looking forward to this program being over, yet I’m only close to the halfway point. Full body 4 days per week is meh at this point, considering the nearly 2 months I spent before this with virtually the same setup. I can’t feel too terrible about the results though.
Why is that? Or rather what kind of split would you prefer? I find it hard to get used to but by now I have been doing it for so long, I can’t really see myself go back.
Congrats on the PR!
Like you said, seems like the program is doing it’s job. Awesome stuff!
I don’t feel like I’m doing that much on the heavy day for each lift. That’s fine – I’m not necessarily craving to beat myself up for the sake of it. After all, it leaves room to practice each lift again as a secondary on a different day. I probably benefit technique-wise from this. At the same time it results in this weird in-between where I am not super drained from any single workout, yet I feel sort of meh all the time. I don’t think I’m underrecovered since I’m hitting some PRs. It might just be a life thing too.
I actually don’t mind Jim’s setup of full body assistance each training day, but generally, I’m much more of a “one main lift per day” person when I lift four days per week. Or if I do multiple barbell lifts in one session, then three days per week. I feel so much fresher this way, even if the program is more demanding.
Another thing is I maybe get bored too easily, even though I know making progress often is boring. I started these highly strength-focused programs because, well, I felt weak. I bet some of the PRs result from better technique and whatnot, but I’ve built a little strength, too. I think I’ve proved to myself that I’m stronger than I thought, which is good. That’s cool. But I also feel at this point I want to change gears and focus on building muscle.
I remember I entered the T-ransformation Challenge, and I look no different from 4-5 months ago. Again, fine, I’m not necessarily disappointed because making radical physical change was not the training goal so far this year.
TLDR; overall I still think I’ve been holding myself back for a couple years by not more aggressively gaining weight at some points; my physique is largely unchanged. I sort of want to shift focus.
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I do NOT want to be the 60 year old guy in the weightroom still trying
[/quote] (i shortened your original quote - sorry)
My old man is 75 and still goes to the gym 5 days a week. He isn’t doing too much heavy lifting these days but he loves going just to maintain and the social aspects. I tell me he only goes for TNT, tits and talking !! 
Remember that we are so caught up in the process, which is so gradual that we often don’t realize the crazy progress we’ve made. We need pictures or measurements or whatever, and sometimes it’s not even enough.
But yeah a muscle-building oriented program might do you good, you’ll certainly learn things and after all, it’s the most efficient way to change your physique
I’ve done such programs before. Did BtM 1.5 times and BBB variants several times, though even earlier, like 4 years ago (I feel old now), I did GZCL’s Jacked and Tan program and pigged out on food a bit more. Between that and the subsequent weight loss, I had the most dramatic difference in physique and strength from doing this despite barely sleeping, but it might also have been because I was newer to training. Hard to say.
4/21
Coffinworm C2W1D3
Pullups
+10x5x4
+0x32 total
Press
35x7
47.5x5
55x5
60x5
55x5
67.5x1 (tough rep)
SSB squat
60x9
110x5x5
50 pushups
50 band pull aparts
1x36 kneeling ab wheel rollouts
1600m run 7:00
4/22
Coffinworm C2W1D4
10 jumps
Deadlift
125x5
160x5
180x5
200x5
180x5
200x5
225x0
Bench
35x7
65x4
82.5x5x5
Standing ab wheel progression 12,9,7
75 band pull aparts
1x36 tricep pushdowns
BB curl
50x13
40x16
I think life is starting to catch up with me.
On the bright side, this is the funniest thing I’ve seen in awhile
Okay well my bad, I meant then a bodybuilding program. I’m sure 5/3/1 variants are efficient for building mass but I wasn’t talking about brute forcing your weight up into bear mode with high volume on compounds. More like something where you also use isolation, machines, weird tempo, intensity techniques… Where you can also focus on the pump, the mind-muscle connexion, working different part of the muscle etc.
Deep water
