[quote]Professor X wrote:
forlife wrote:
Dabba wrote:
Huh? For whom? For me it certainly is not easier to sit there and stuff myself while bulking then it is to not eat that much while cutting(though I’ve never truly been on a cut before). I wonder how many of you guys making these statements about how cutting is harder actually started out really skinny. I guess that can be the difference: where one starts from.
Most people like to eat. Therefore, most people enjoy bulking more than they enjoy cutting.
The point he is making is that you aren’t that big. Yes, eating alone may be fun, but try eating as much as some of us needed to in order to really get big. It becomes a hassle that we do because we love it. Eating that much, especially when it isn’t exactly food we love but food we have to get in to see progress is not always fun.[/quote]
There is a difference between getting to eat whenever you feel like it and having to eat to get results.
Stopping what you are doing to mix and chug a shake, choke down another chicken breast, or nuke and swallow another potato, when you stuffed yourself 3 hours ago and still feel pretty full, and doing it day in and day out is not fun. (I always eat clean, bulking is not an excuse to eat at Mc Donaldâ??s everyday)
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If bulking is easier than cutting, why are there tons of lean (if just plain skinny) people on this forum, and only a handful of guys with real size (not claiming to be one of them).[/quote]
There are very few people here that are lean at the size I want to be. Good amount not lean, but very few that have gotten that big and leaned out. Most of the lean people are still very small.
[quote]If bulking were easier, youâ??d see more Andy Boltons than Brad Pits. Which physic do you guys think is more easily achievable? If cutting is the hard part of bodyBUILDING, Brad should get tons of props for fight club, right?
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Brad Pitt is fucking tiny dude. Being lean with no muscle is not cutting.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
forlife wrote:
Dabba wrote:
Huh? For whom? For me it certainly is not easier to sit there and stuff myself while bulking then it is to not eat that much while cutting(though I’ve never truly been on a cut before). I wonder how many of you guys making these statements about how cutting is harder actually started out really skinny. I guess that can be the difference: where one starts from.
Most people like to eat. Therefore, most people enjoy bulking more than they enjoy cutting.
The point he is making is that you aren’t that big. Yes, eating alone may be fun, but try eating as much as some of us needed to in order to really get big. It becomes a hassle that we do because we love it. Eating that much, especially when it isn’t exactly food we love but food we have to get in to see progress is not always fun.
There is a difference between getting to eat whenever you feel like it and having to eat to get results.
Stopping what you are doing to mix and chug a shake, choke down another chicken breast, or nuke and swallow another potato, when you stuffed yourself 3 hours ago and still feel pretty full, and doing it day in and day out is not fun. (I always eat clean, bulking is not an excuse to eat at Mc Donald�¢??s everyday)
Speaking of the devil, 3 o�¢??clock meal.
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Truth. I’m eating right now…another steak. Yes, steak everyday 3 times a day CAN get old…but apparently some here think it is just FUN all of the time. It’s 3pm here. I’ve eaten 4 times already and will get two more protein shakes in me before 7pm. Eating whatever you want whenever you want is NOT what we are doing when the goal is big gains.
Also, try making sure you get those meals in while at work or at school or in a business meeting. Yeah…FUN all the fucking time.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
If bulking is easier than cutting, why are there tons of lean (if just plain skinny) people on this forum, and only a handful of guys with real size (not claiming to be one of them).
There are very few people here that are lean at the size I want to be. Good amount not lean, but very few that have gotten that big and leaned out. Most of the lean people are still very small.
If bulking were easier, you�?�¢??d see more Andy Boltons than Brad Pits. Which physic do you guys think is more easily achievable? If cutting is the hard part of bodyBUILDING, Brad should get tons of props for fight club, right?
Brad Pitt is fucking tiny dude. Being lean with no muscle is not cutting.[/quote]
Uh, it’s the same process. Getting lean. In fact, I’d say it’s probably easier to lean out when carrying muscle. But that’s besides the point.
The point is that the hard part that separates the skinny brad pit wanna-be from a good physic is size more than leanness.
Brad Pitt is fucking tiny dude. Being lean with no muscle is not cutting.
Uh, it’s the same process. Getting lean. In fact, I’d say it’s probably easier to lean out when carrying muscle. But that’s besides the point.
So looking like Mightystu is easier than this?
Are you really going with that right now?[/quote]
He’s saying getting that lean is easier for mightstu than Brad Pitt, because Stu’s got more muscle. Getting the muscle is the hard part. I’m pretty sure you’re misunderstanding DD, no high six for you.
Brad Pitt is fucking tiny dude. Being lean with no muscle is not cutting.
Uh, it’s the same process. Getting lean. In fact, I’d say it’s probably easier to lean out when carrying muscle. But that’s besides the point.
So looking like Mightystu is easier than this?
Are you really going with that right now?[/quote]
Uh, where did you get that? Itâ??s actually the opposite of what I said. I said adding size is the hard part, and you take this to mean that achieving a large and lean is easier than achieving a skinny and lean one?
I specifically said leaning out can be easier when you carry a lot of muscle and you twist that into bulking and training for years then cutting down is easier than just cutting down without ever adding size. The cutting comment I made excluded the whole portion of physic building known as â??bulkingâ??. Read what I wrote. Strawman at it’s dumbest.
Brad Pitt is fucking tiny dude. Being lean with no muscle is not cutting.
Uh, it’s the same process. Getting lean. In fact, I’d say it’s probably easier to lean out when carrying muscle. But that’s besides the point.
So looking like Mightystu is easier than this?
Are you really going with that right now?
Uh, where did you get that? It’s actually the opposite of what I said. I said adding size is the hard part, and you take this to mean that achieving a large and lean is easier than achieving a skinny and lean one?
I specifically said leaning out can be easier when you carry a lot of muscle and you twist that into bulking and training for years then cutting down is easier than just cutting down without ever adding size. The cutting comment I made excluded the whole portion of physic building known as “bulking”. Read what I wrote. Strawman at it’s worst.
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Not a strawman at all dude. I’m a retard. I completely misunderstood wtf you were saying. The Mofo is right. Sorry if you got heated man.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I’m pretty sure you’re misunderstanding DD, no high six for you.
yeah, i’m an assface[/quote]
Hah. No problem, itâ??s an internet forum, I miss read things all the time. And not heated, I tend to take a really sarcastic tone when laying into people that doesnâ??t always come across that way.
do you have an accent or is your keyboard fucked up?
Anyway, It is NOT easy to bulk up, especially clean. There is a huge difference between claiming you’re “Bulking” and going to mcdonalds and having a big mac and a stack of pancakes in the morning, VS. Separating your shit and choking down the same shit every day eating nothing but clean foods, taseless monotonous protein etc.
[quote]hardcoreraymond wrote:
do you have an accent or is your keyboard fucked up?
Anyway, It is NOT easy to bulk up, especially clean. There is a huge difference between claiming you’re “Bulking” and going to mcdonalds and having a big mac and a stack of pancakes in the morning, VS. Separating your shit and choking down the same shit every day eating nothing but clean foods, taseless monotonous protein etc.[/quote]
This site doesnâ??t like my default firefox font. The funny part is that it doesnâ??t screw it up until you hit submit.
[quote]hardcoreraymond wrote:
do you have an accent or is your keyboard fucked up?
Anyway, It is NOT easy to bulk up, especially clean. There is a huge difference between claiming you’re “Bulking” and going to mcdonalds and having a big mac and a stack of pancakes in the morning, VS. Separating your shit and choking down the same shit every day eating nothing but clean foods, taseless monotonous protein etc.[/quote]
Dude…some of us actually do benefit from the occasional big mac and such while bulking.
[quote]Dabba wrote:
hardcoreraymond wrote:
do you have an accent or is your keyboard fucked up?
Anyway, It is NOT easy to bulk up, especially clean. There is a huge difference between claiming you’re “Bulking” and going to mcdonalds and having a big mac and a stack of pancakes in the morning, VS. Separating your shit and choking down the same shit every day eating nothing but clean foods, taseless monotonous protein etc.
Dude…some of us actually do benefit from the occasional big mac and such while bulking.[/quote]
That’s not what he meant. Everyone knows I am not afraid of hamburgers. However, if anyone thinks my diet is just haphazard and completely random then they don’t know me very well. Getting big meals in every 3 hours can wear on you…but in the end this is what we love and that is why we do it. But I doubt even one big lifter exists who won’t say sometimes they just get really fucking tired of eating all of the time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dabba wrote:
hardcoreraymond wrote:
do you have an accent or is your keyboard fucked up?
Anyway, It is NOT easy to bulk up, especially clean. There is a huge difference between claiming you’re “Bulking” and going to mcdonalds and having a big mac and a stack of pancakes in the morning, VS. Separating your shit and choking down the same shit every day eating nothing but clean foods, taseless monotonous protein etc.
Dude…some of us actually do benefit from the occasional big mac and such while bulking.
That’s not what he meant. Everyone knows I am not afraid of hamburgers. However, if anyone thinks my diet is just haphazard and completely random then they don’t know me very well. Getting big meals in every 3 hours can wear on you…but in the end this is what we love and that is why we do it. But I doubt even one big lifter exists who won’t say sometimes they just get really fucking tired of eating all of the time.[/quote]
I don’t disagree that adding appreciable size is difficult. I was also a very skinny 140lb ecto blah blah when I started this, and breaking 200lbs was hard as fuck, and then breaking 210 was hard as fuck, and now trying to break 220 is hard as fuck(harder actually because injuries are the devil). What the others are saying is that some here seem to downplay how hard a TRUE cut is. You can’t just “not eat and do some cardio” because you will fucking hemorrhage muscle mass. It is a brutal 16-24 week process, especially the last few weeks, and you still have to deal with the same bullshit(eating every 3 hours, eating food you don’t want to, fighting hunger[the other way]) and get to the gym MORE often. Gaining weight is a brutal 10 year + process, that while (imo) slightly easier on the day to day, ends up being harder because your commitment is required over a longer period of time where it will be tested a ton.
Gaining lean muscle mass is tremendously difficult if not impossible for me, that is why I have failed to gain any. I will however, with my crappy diet and pussy weights get shredded (hopefully in 16 more weeks), so cutting is way easier and shorter in duration. Also I do not bulk, I love to get FAT eating only junk food. I hate clean, healthy, organic, nutrient dense, etc… foods that a real bulk requires.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Truth. I’m eating right now…another steak. Yes, steak everyday 3 times a day CAN get old…but apparently some here think it is just FUN all of the time. It’s 3pm here. I’ve eaten 4 times already and will get two more protein shakes in me before 7pm. Eating whatever you want whenever you want is NOT what we are doing when the goal is big gains.
Also, try making sure you get those meals in while at work or at school or in a business meeting. Yeah…FUN all the fucking time.[/quote]
I don’t think anyone said it was fun all the fucking time to bulk, just that people tend to enjoy bulking more than they enjoy cutting.
Are you saying that you actually enjoy cutting more?
I’m still in the dark as to why everyone sucks off Rippetoe. He isn’t a dumbass, but he isn’t the second coming of Jesus either. The more I learn, the less I understand why everyone thinks he is the alpha & omega of lifting.
He wrote a simple BB based program with progression. FUCKING WOW. How amazing.
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He wrote a book called “Practical Programming for Strength Training” which explains the basics of weight training. It’s not as simple as “lift weights and eat lots of food”, there are principles that need to be understood or else you will waste time.
In addition to that, he wrote Starting Strength which is not just a little book about a simple barbell program. His big thing is training for your level of performance. If you’re an advanced bodybuilder or powerlifter, then SS isn’t going to work, but the principles outlined in PP will if you apply them to your routine.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Truth. I’m eating right now…another steak. Yes, steak everyday 3 times a day CAN get old…but apparently some here think it is just FUN all of the time. It’s 3pm here. I’ve eaten 4 times already and will get two more protein shakes in me before 7pm. Eating whatever you want whenever you want is NOT what we are doing when the goal is big gains.
Also, try making sure you get those meals in while at work or at school or in a business meeting. Yeah…FUN all the fucking time.
I don’t think anyone said it was fun all the fucking time to bulk, just that people tend to enjoy bulking more than they enjoy cutting.
Are you saying that you actually enjoy cutting more?[/quote]
Truthfully, there are pros and cons to both. I am dieting now and the pros are:
-Less money spent on food overall
-More energy throughout a workout (meaning the more cardio I do, the more efficient I am when training even if my reps may suffer a little from lack of carbs)
-Seeing more definition over months
Yes, I prefer to gain size because I simply like being big and being strong. That is what I am in this for. Dieting is nothing more than a means to an end but being super lean isn’t even my overall goal unless I decide to compete.
