One of my buddy’s from college who’s an effeminate gay man told me that he has two gym memberships because the “nicer” more expensive one is the best place to pick up.
So yeah I think you may be on to something
I still don’t get why people post numbers that aren’t relative to bodyweight. It’s baffling. 
Avg Joe:
Bench - 0.75 x BW
Deadlift - 1.25 x BW
Squat - 1 x BW
OH Press - 0.65 x BW
Paused Dead Hang Chin-Ups - see formula
1 Mile Run - 7:30
Pulled those out of my ass, but that makes more sense to me. :F
In this context, absolute numbers are so useless.
bodyfat pullup formula: (I forgot this was “avg” lol. these are fairly strong numbers)
f bf | bf <= 0 = error "you're dead"
| bf <= 11 = 11 + (11 - bf)
| bf > 11 = let x = bf - (2 * (bf - 11)) in if x <= 0
then error "too fat"
else x
| otherwise = error "too fat"
bodyfat spectrum:
*Main> map (\body_fat -> (body_fat, f body_fat)) [5..25]
[(5,17),(6,16),(7,15),(8,14),(9,13),(10,12),(11,11),(12,10),(13,9),(14,8),(15,7),(16,6),(17,5),(18,4),(19,3),(20,2),(21,1),(22,*** Exception: too fat
So, if you’re 5% bodyfat, you should be able to do 17. If you’re 20% bodyfat, you should be able to do 2, etc.
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Those seem pretty reasonable to me. I don’t see 5 deadhang chinups as average but maybe that’s because I’ve got a bit of flab to lose
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To be fair, probably because this is supposed to be from the viewpoint of the average joe in the gym and what they consider strong. most of the random people at the gym who don’t squat and bench 95lbs for reps don’t take BW into consideration. They see a dude repping 225 on bench press and go “damn, that guy’s strong”
Also, I wouldn’t consider BW percentages to be the end-all-be-all. I’d still consider a 300lb dude overhead pressing 300lbs to be more impressive than a 150 lb guy OHPing 185
Sure but the average joe isn’t 300 lb either. Probably closer to 150 than 300, ie around ~200. Though, this thread is about “average joe strength” standards, not what’s more impressive - or perceived to be more impressive.
If I see a 150 lb guy benching 200 lb (1), a 200 lb guy benching 225 lb (2), and a 250 lb guy benching 225 lb (3), I know who is closer to “average joe” strength (#3 IMHO). #1 & #2 probably don’t look like average joe’s anymore - they’ve theoretically put in more work to achieve their significantly above average strength. #3 might be big but at that weight, he’s considerably weaker.
Sure but I think that’s a different topic. Perhaps that’s “What do gym bros think is strong in the gym” vs “Average Joe Strength Standards”. To me, the “strength standards” component of the title removes the “perception” aspect of it.
dno just my 2cents.
pc!
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Yea that needs a bodyweight component as well. I’ll edit it.
I think the average joe response to the bodyweight issue would be “s/he’s a fatty but s/he’s strong”.
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I modified my post. But, also wondering, has anyone ever used markdown code blocks on here before? lol.
bodyfat pullup formula:
f bf | bf <= 0 = error "you're dead"
| bf <= 11 = 11 + (11 - bf)
| bf > 11 = let x = bf - (2 * (bf - 11)) in if x <= 0
then error "too fat"
else x
| otherwise = error "too fat"
bodyfat spectrum:
*Main> map (\body_fat -> (body_fat, f body_fat)) [5..25]
[(5,17),(6,16),(7,15),(8,14),(9,13),(10,12),(11,11),(12,10),(13,9),(14,8),(15,7),(16,6),(17,5),(18,4),(19,3),(20,2),(21,1),(22,*** Exception: too fat
So, if you’re 5% bodyfat, you should be able to do 17. If you’re 20% bodyfat, you should be able to do 2, etc.
Do you have a C++ version of this?
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No. LoL. It’s sexier in a functional language, even though I made it nooby. It would look similar in C++ fwiw. jaja.
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I love this. Shade is being thrown. I have no idea who is right and who is wrong. Obviously JZT and flipcollar need to fight to the death. My money is on the guy who didn’t take 10 years to add 10 lbs to his OHP.
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I’m 5’11 and just under 73kg (160 pounds) reasonably lean. My best squat is 105kg (235) and best deadlift is 115kgx5 (240x5). We can both agree that’s not incredible by any measure.
Last week I was asked if I was on steroids on three seperate occasions. One such occasion being from a trainer at my gym.
I weep for the general population.
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I have no words.
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Keep in mind: the average population considers creatine and protein to be steroids.
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I have quite literally never been asked this question, either I have a very skewed idea of what I look like, or I need to find better gyms to work out at haha
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@j4gga2 Is a younger bloke. I’m going to imagine that 2 of those times were from his peers.
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They also have a grossly skewed idea of weight too. I’m 6’3 230 at my heaviest 240 and the average population routinely asks me if I’m 180. It hurts every time
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Bingo.
Once from a schoolmate, once from a kid I was tutoring.
Yeah, I heard similar things in high school. People would be really into it too, swearing guys were on stuff. I think it fundamentally boils down to a bunch of teenage boys not wanting to come to grips with the fact they’re still going through puberty, and muscle changes are still happening.
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