These two are not necessarily the same. I think multiculturalism is a poisonous viral destructive force in this nation, but people of varying ethnicities can be and have been compatible productive members of a single culture.
I have no problem with anybody from anywhere coming here and becoming an American, even if they privately hold dear their heritage. On the other hand I have no tolerance for anybody from anywhere bringing their country here. If I wanted to live in their country I’d move there.
I do agree about immigration in general. I’ve been calling forever for a moratorium of at least 5 years for us to have actual Americans with American interests and sensibilities at heart get a grip on who’s here, where and 86ing anybody here illegally. Or even if they are here legally, if they’re drawing public money they can get the hell out as far as I’m concerned. The United States is becoming an international soup kitchen.[/quote]
I think you’re not realizing that the “melting pot” is hopelessly broken. The birth rates, the illegal immigration rates, and the demographic changes make the US as a “melting pot” a thing of the past. The time to have this discussion was 20-30 years ago. That’s kind of been my point. Sure, you can say all these things and really mean them, but what if they’re not a possibility just because of the sheer volume of people coming here?
I don’t think anyone will argue that we have a “melting pot” in California. Right now, the California experiment is being repeated on a national scale.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Of course the really illogical issue is how tough the US makes it for legitimate,qualified (legally applying) immigrants who would add value to the country and embrace its principles to get in,while making it so ridiculously easy for illegal, minimal value ,coffer draining illegals to stay.
I would propose that perhaps counter-intuitively,it may better serve the US to relax its bureaucratic procedures and streamline the methodology for those who add value to your society to come in,while of course dealing more strongly with those that don’t follow the law of the land and drain the collective wallet.
Just a thought.[/quote]
I think the only sense our immigration policy makes is when viewed through the lens of “deliberate demographic change (ethnic cleansing of a soft sort).” Bill Klinton and George W. Bush have hinted at their excitement at the US being a white minority country. Klinton did it again just recently.
Why are the elites excited? Well, I think the reason is that the whites in this country are traditionally a center-right voting block, as Newt Gingrich said. In presidential elections, we traditionally vote for Republicans, and have for the longest time. The way for the elites to break up this voting pattern was to elect a new population, one that doesn’t respect the traditions and documents of Dead White Males.
Also, obviously, Big Business needed cheap labor. But Big Business more or less gets to write the rules anyway, so they’re part of the elite as far as I’m concerned.
It would be a mistake, I think, to call the United States a democracy at this point. We’re more of a plutocracy.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
<<< I think you’re not realizing that the “melting pot” is hopelessly broken. The birth rates, the illegal immigration rates, and the demographic changes make the US as a “melting pot” a thing of the past. The time to have this discussion was 20-30 years ago. That’s kind of been my point. Sure, you can say all these things and really mean them, but what if they’re not a possibility just because of the sheer volume of people coming here?
I don’t think anyone will argue that we have a “melting pot” in California. Right now, the California experiment is being repeated on a national scale.
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I actually do realize the melting pot is broken or more accurately has gone cold. The melting pot analogy was meant exactly to illustrate the idea of many divergent peoples assimilating into a single American culture. Melting together. Today they all get thrown into a cold pot where nobody melts in. They steadfastly cling to their own culture and we encourage them to do so. Diversity as defined today is a manifest impossibility.
California is a cold pot and we are witnessing the results. I think we pretty much agree on this one.
[quote]phaethon wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
What I said was (more or less): “it’s racist to say that Mexicans have zero intellectual ability and could thus never contribute…”. I don’t believe that, and I would snarl at anyone who does.
The vast majority of illegal Mexicans in the US they can NEVER EVER do as well as the average adult born and raised in the states. Never ever god damn ever. Because intelligence develops at a young age. So they don’t have any intellectual ability and never will.
Even if you throw 100k per illegal they still won’t have the intellectual ability of the average American.
And if you look at the areas their children are growing up in, i.e. mini Mexico’s, the children have no chance either.
If immigration was controlled and the parents had a solid work ethic and good culture, or they were immersed in western culture, then the children could do great things. You see this all the time with Asian families. It is very rarely the parents who are intellectual powerhouses; it is the children.[/quote]
[quote]phaethon wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
What I said was (more or less): “it’s racist to say that Mexicans have zero intellectual ability and could thus never contribute…”. I don’t believe that, and I would snarl at anyone who does.
The vast majority of illegal Mexicans in the US they can NEVER EVER do as well as the average adult born and raised in the states. Never ever god damn ever. Because intelligence develops at a young age. So they don’t have any intellectual ability and never will.
Even if you throw 100k per illegal they still won’t have the intellectual ability of the average American.
And if you look at the areas their children are growing up in, i.e. mini Mexico’s, the children have no chance either.
If immigration was controlled and the parents had a solid work ethic and good culture, or they were immersed in western culture, then the children could do great things. You see this all the time with Asian families. It is very rarely the parents who are intellectual powerhouses; it is the children.[/quote]
It was like always felt like I was supposed to like conservatives, but something was always a little different when I was alone with conservatives. I wanted to like conservatives, realy I did, but I have known since high school that something wasn’t right. Then, I went to this party with leftists, and leftists were all hanging with other leftists, and it all felt so…natural.
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Just follow the yellow brick road, and you too can have a heart
This is wrong on a disturbing number of levels.[/quote]
How so?
I have stated three positions:
Most brain development occurs as a child. Once you are an adult it is an order of magnitude harder to pick up new skills, abilities and ways of thinking.
and
Most illegal alien children growing up in the US are immersed in Mexican culture rather than American culture.
Mexican culture (excluding the elitists culture) is not conductive to the brain development that is required to be a high level intellectual.