Athletes and Race

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To say there is no difference between blacks and whites athletically is bullshit. Its not racist this is looking at it scientifically. Its not a cop out either its a fact. Yes whites can be elite in sprinting, basketball whatever. But the fact that the NBA is dominated by african americans despite them being fewer in number and having lower participation shows that they have a genetic advantage. Sure there are elite white guys who can ‘hang’ with them but this doesn’t disprove anything, in fact quite the opposite. A few white people will have freakish genetics, but the percentage of them that have the freakish genetics for speed and explosive power is lower. Therefore at the elite level certain sports will be african american dominated. Which is true.

Ice hockey is a different sport. Its athletic needs are different from basketball. Like soccer. Soccer, whites and blacks are on a totally even playing field, due to the different athletic requirements for the game in the different positions etc. But the fastest players in the world are nearly all black. The clever, creative players are mostly white. Coincidence?

Out of interest since I dont watch american football, how many running backs are white? I assume its a more speed, explosive trait dominated position. Quarterbacks then? A position requiring much thought and intelligence?

Don’t think for a second I am suggesting this means white athletes are somehow smarter, just that at the elite level, often they wouldn’t make it unless they were more creative and had game intelligence. Whereas the black athlete will most likely have greater athletic qualities and will never have to develop the other facets of his game. Much like the amazing looking women who never have to develop personalities.

To add weight to my arguments, has a white male athlete ever broke the 19 second barrier in the 100m sprint? Dozens of black athletes have. Coincidence? I suppose the white guys are all ‘copping out’.

Just my two cents.

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One of the first articles from the archives: http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=5speed

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[quote]ConorM wrote:

Ice hockey is a different sport. Its athletic needs are different from basketball. Like soccer. Soccer, whites and blacks are on a totally even playing field, due to the different athletic requirements for the game in the different positions etc. But the fastest players in the world are nearly all black. The clever, creative players are mostly white. Coincidence?
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I am by no means an expert on soccer, but aren’t the South Americans pretty prodigious when it comes to being clever and creative? Who plays that style better than the Brazilians?

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Yeah…when you were talking about physicality you brought up quality points. When you started talking about creativity and “game intelligence” you fell off the mark. In American Football quarterbacks have traditionally been white, not so much for there inherent intelligence over blacks, but more likely because traditionally black athletes with good hands were made into DB’s and wideouts. Watch now as more black coaches get head positions and more black quarterbacks make the D1 and NFL ranks and then compare the difference.

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[quote]deadgame wrote:
Yeah…when you were talking about physicality you brought up quality points. When you started talking about creativity and “game intelligence” you fell off the mark. In American Football quarterbacks have traditionally been white, not so much for there inherent intelligence over blacks, but more likely because traditionally black athletes with good hands were made into DB’s and wideouts. Watch now as more black coaches get head positions and more black quarterbacks make the D1 and NFL ranks and then compare the difference.[/quote]

Exactly. Not to mention it has taken this long just for racial stereotypes to fall off enough for black players to be mentally accepted as team leaders by the majority. A black quarterback is still seen as being black before he is seen as being a quarterback.

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The fact that different human populations were separated geographically from each other for tens of thousands of years, during which time they were exposed to categorically different environmental and social selection pressures, has, surprisingly, had NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on things like average intelligence or musculature!

Everybody is equal, and above average… it’s all about how hard you try!

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black, white, they all have nothing on the beasts from the Samoa, Fiji, Tonga islands.

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[quote]Fat Man wrote:
One of the first articles from the archives: http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=5speed[ /quote]

Now you’re letting silly scientific research get in the way of personal beliefs. There are also some good articles at: www.pponline.co.uk

TNT

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A while ago I read something about that when blacks were rounded up in Africa to be brought to america and the world as slaves, they had to walk from where they were caught to the port where they were going to be shipped out and that could have been days to weeks, in the process the weakest ones died, in the boat trip the weakest ones died, and once at their destination many got sick with new world diseases so again the weakest died. The ones that survived were some of the strongest not just physically but mentally and spiritually. So as horrible and morally wrong the slave trade was in the end it weeded out the weak ones from the genetic pool.

That’s why weather we like it or not african americans make better athletes because of genetic capacity.
Not just physically either, but that’s another topic.

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Please explain further why there are mostly white QBs.

Couldn’t it be that maybe it’s because there is a trend of QBs being white that alot of black guys aren’t pining for it?

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
SpeedStrength wrote:
fireplug52 wrote:
Oh crap.

As far as black athletes being better… I think there is some credence to that. Just look at the number of American white guys in the NBA, you can’t tell me that a disparity that great can be contributed to social or lifestyle factors because there are a lot more white kids that play basketball growing up. However, I don’t think it’s a very drastic difference. At the elite level, 1% is a huge difference, on the average it’s hardly anything. At any level below top-level D1 athletics, I think pretty much anything can be evened out by proper training and a nutrition, but to play at that top level you pretty much have to be a freak- either freakishly skilled or freakishly athletic or both.
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how do you know that alot more white kids play basketball growing up? if the statistic is taken from organized cyo leagues and what not, that means nothing.

and to further touch on a sociological aspect, you can compare the structure of urban life to the structure of suburban life. In the city there is a deneser population and parks within walking distance. this leads to: 1. always enough kids to play a game 2. easy access to a court at a younger age, and 3. probably the most important, a greater amount of better players, in relation to suburbs(due simply to population density. now, I cannot speak for the whole country, but this is how it is in NY. And for any basketball historians out there, you’ll know that basketball was actually originally dominated by jews. It was very popular in the Jewish ghettos of NYC. It’s not hard to draw a parallel to the current population of the inner city ghettos.

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
Please explain further why there are mostly white QBs.

Couldn’t it be that maybe it’s because there is a trend of QBs being white that alot of black guys aren’t pining for it?[/quote]

This is the equivalent of saying “black guys don’t want to be president”. Are blacks incapable of presidency due to intelligence limitations, or more likely due to societal factors? Same with head coaching positions in the league… hell even DI for that matter. It is well known that until fairly recently the social trend has been to transform athletic black athletes into DB’s and receivers, mostly because the coaches (or upper mgmt) didn’t believe that blacks could run the position or that the other athtletes (read: white athletes) would follow and respect them.

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[quote]deadgame wrote:
brucevangeorge wrote:
Please explain further why there are mostly white QBs.

Couldn’t it be that maybe it’s because there is a trend of QBs being white that alot of black guys aren’t pining for it?

This is the equivalent of saying “black guys don’t want to be president”. Are blacks incapable of presidency due to intelligence limitations, or more likely due to societal factors? Same with head coaching positions in the league… hell even DI for that matter. It is well known that until fairly recently the social trend has been to transform athletic black athletes into DB’s and receivers, mostly because the coaches (or upper mgmt) didn’t believe that blacks could run the position or that the other athtletes (read: white athletes) would follow and respect them.
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Good post. This is why using the fact that there aren’t blacks in other positions as proof of inability to play those positions is extremely faulted. I do believe this is the first time in hisory there have been this many black quarterbacks or black coaches. They weren’t given the opportunity before or society made it difficult to see those players in those positions.

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This is like saying that Pit Bulls aren’t more athletic then other dogs.

What type of training do pit bulls do to become more athletic and mucular then other dogs?

How about greyhounds. Are greyhounds the fastest dog because of their training or because they’re born that way.

How come people have no problem recognizing the fact that there are vast differences genetic wise between dog breeds and other animals but they can’t see the same difference among people?

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[quote]b_ambuehl wrote:

How come people have no problem recognizing the fact that there are vast differences genetic wise between dog breeds and other animals but they can’t see the same difference among people?

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quite understandably people dont want to feel withheld by genetics. imagine if, like the starter of this thread, you believed that you were genetically disadvantaged in comparison with your competition.

this doesnt make the truth any less relevant, it just shows why people dont want to believe it.

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Many posters are making great points.

One person said that it’s a copout for non-black athletes. I agree to a certain extent.

A poster disagreed with the copout theory, saying that there are more youths that are playing basketball right now that are white, so why aren’t there more whites in the NBA? Well maybe in a decade, the NBA’s percentage of white players will have increased. Maybe not, because even though these young white youths are playing basketball, they could have bad genetics because their ancestors were lazy and or didn’t have to use physical labor as a way of life.

I think that if white Americans didn’t sit on their ass and rely on machines and slaves to do their work over the last couple of hundred years then maybe white athletes would be able to compete at the highest level, and would have better genetics. White Americans have definitely hurt their gene pools by doing less physical work and relying more on automation.

Of course the white athletes that are competing at the highest level are probably coming from a line of ancestors that relied on some kind of physical labor to survive or create a living for themselves, as well as hard work and not copping out.

Other points are being made that elite players are elite because they have mastered a craft or a skill. Anyone can master something with the proper dedication and regimen.

There are so many different variables that have affected athletes and genetics. Blacks (both African-American and Africans) have consistently over many, many generations relied or had to do physical work or labor in their life, whether due to slavery or the African Culture. This keeps the athletic gene pools going. White people can fall under the category of passing on good athletic genes due to also consistently relying on physical work or labor, such as farming, running, etc. over many generations.

Another poster commented on white quarterbacks. I agree with most of his theory. Although society and even society by football standards have had a tough time evolving to where blacks are leaders, just as whites are. Because of the history of American Culture, in the past it wasn’t accepted for blacks to be leaders, but slowly as we move into the 21st century things in American Culture are changing. It is slowly being accepted that blacks can be leaders too, and I predict in the future that we’ll have many more black leaders (because they’re very deserving) in all facets of life, such as quarterbacks, executives, coaches, presidents etc.

I really liked what the poster said about white quarterbacks. Since they didn’t have as much athletic ability as their competition they adapted to other ways of succeeding, such as being crafty and using their brains more than their athletic ability. They basically had to use other things to survive at elite levels. An example could also be used for black athletes that have less ability than the competition. Reggie Miller comes to mind. He was VERY crafty. He wasn’t the quickest, but he?d run without the ball and tire the defender out. He was also a very skilled jump shooter, which is something that doesn’t require athletic ability as much as running or jumping and lastly, Reggie would go to the free throw line like no other. Reggie would kick his leg out during a jump shot just to create a whistle from the refs. That’s crafty.

Again, there are so many variables over the last so many centuries that have affected why blacks are superior athletes. My main point is that blacks people have continued using their physical attributes over these generations and other people, mainly white people have not continued using their physical abilities. Thus, a high percentage of black people are athletic, a low percentage of whites aren’t.

These are just my observations.

I could go on, but?

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[quote]b_ambuehl wrote:
How come people have no problem recognizing the fact that there are vast differences genetic wise between dog breeds and other animals but they can’t see the same difference among people?[/quote]

Because they know the information will be misused.

Of course there are statistically significant differences between the physical and mental abilities of different population groups. But there are much larger differences between individual people.

So, for example, the average IQ of ethnic group X may be higher than that of ethnic group Y, but that information is completely useless in predicting the relative IQ of two individuals from those groups.

That’s why stereotypes are dangerous: not because they’re wrong, but because they inevitably are misused to prejudge individuals. Note that the word prejudice is derived from pre-judge.

And for a real-life example: the known statistical facts about the difference in average penis size between blacks and whites says nothing about the size of my dick.

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[quote]thegreenzuchinni wrote:
one of my high school physical education teachers had a theory that black people were physically superior in America because most were descendents of the slaves that came over to America on slave ships. naturally, on the strongest and most physically fit would survive, and thus be able to pass on their genes. just a thought.[/quote]

I have thought the same thing for a long time. I can’t think of anywhere else in the world where there as many good athletes that share the same race as Black Americans. It’s interesting that Africans even look different than American Blacks. Such as their facial features.

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There are a lot of black basketball players. There are a lot of asian l33t gamers. Why? I’d posit (as others have) that it’s mostly for cultural reasons. If you play basketball in the inner city, in mostly black areas, it’s insanely competitive. You’ve got champion factories going in these playgrounds, and any potential will be explicated. There’s a similar situation with college admissions at IIT in India. Competition.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
superscience wrote:
white people dominate oly lifting who have supre fast 30 meter sprints and super high verticals.

white people dominate soccer
shot put, discus, javelin, swiming, cycling, wrestling, icehockey, speed skating, curling, strongman, powerlifting., triple jump, bmxing, motocross, formula one, gymnastics.

blacks domindate running short and long distance.
long jump, baskeball american football.

asians dominate, ping pong, hold da 110 hurdle record, weightlifting, gymnastics, karate etc
thats all i can think of in my head.

the way i see it is it doesnt matter wat ethinicity u r just depends on the individual.

social factors matter too in this country i checked the 100 meter sprint event for the hole northern ireland and there were 5 competitors out of a hole country and the record is 10.38 seconds.

What is wrong with your ability to spell or use even 6th grade level grammar? I am not one to harp on shit like that, but your posts…all of them…are irritating as hell because of the way you type.
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u annoy me with ur bullshit commenting on stupid stuff like spelling go get a life.

who on earth would be assd to go bak and correct there spelling.