HANG ON!!!
i have seen a pretty big squat, it was while in ohio for a holiday at a gym there…95% of the ppl there were serious committed lifters, where they were advanced or not, they were doing all the hard shit that gets results, not pussy shit…one guy, a former football player, was squatting over 360 lbs, not atg, but below parralel, so i lied, but then again, it wasnt my gym. 
That video was classic. I love the opening writing “… In pajamas”. Classic shit.
[quote]sensless wrote:
Classy_Cojones wrote:
My question does not refer to what I should be doing, but what ok, good and excellent numbers would be for the ideal 205 pounds strenght athlete.
OK = Double BW = 410lb
Good = 250% BW = 512.5lb
Excellent = Triple BW = 615lb
Regards,
Sensless
[/quote]
Everyone sounds real badass on the Internet. Yeah, 405 lb full-range squats are a joke, the average 205 lb man can do it.
[quote]Sxio wrote:
Some guys just want to look good naked and want to go to the local gym with all the other mere mortals to do so.
And imo the weight you use is not important. What is important is that you push your limits and continually strive for just 1 rep more and at least 2 more than you did last time.
As long as you’re progressing I couldn’t give a shit if you’re lifting 10kgs or 1000kgs. But obviously 1000kgs will be more impressive to look at. [/quote]
Ahahahaha. You sound like my preschool teacher “All that matters is that you did your best.”
[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
sensless wrote:
Classy_Cojones wrote:
My question does not refer to what I should be doing, but what ok, good and excellent numbers would be for the ideal 205 pounds strenght athlete.
OK = Double BW = 410lb
Good = 250% BW = 512.5lb
Excellent = Triple BW = 615lb
Regards,
Sensless
Everyone sounds real badass on the Internet. Yeah, 405 lb full-range squats are a joke, the average 205 lb man can do it. [/quote]
Maybe I’m in the minority but this relative strength stuff… I dunno. I mean, I’m 165 and I can squat 245. It’s not awesome by any means but I’m pretty proud of it. I have about 140 pounds of LBM… if I was 0% bodyfat somehow I still wouldn’t be doing double bodyweight. I dunno, maybe I could magically make my muscles stronger but I think what really matters isn’t relative strength but total strength.
As far as total strength goes, I think anyone that knows how to train can hit a 400 pound squat, a 500-600 pound squat is pretty damn respectable, and a 700+ pound squat is awesome.
Senseless,
(since you were talking to me)Yeah, I have trained for quite a while, still learning. In between there I had some major drug addictions and ceased lifting for some time. Just a 4 year loss since the 11 years ago that I started.
I could give a shit about looks, I lift for strength, speed and power. I’m near a 2x bodyweight squat, raw of course. Also, I suffered a potential career ending injury for squatting (herniated disc) and it took 11 months to heal where I could start squating again. It’s only been 10 months since my recovery and I squat 385 raw for a max, 295 front squat. My numbers aren’t horrible but because of my injury my legs and lower back are my weak link.
I train usually at home or at the University (these guys don’t know how to squat…again, that’s not my fault). So I really don’t see guys like you and the T-Nation guys. My comment about not seeing a 2x bw squatter was not directed at anyone in the forum, just my observation. I still think that it’s a rare feat.
Maybe I should just find a better gym…but then again, I care about my lifts more than yours. Take care.
[quote]Sxio wrote:
FairDo wrote:
I know you are trying to distance yourself from this comment now . . . and you’re riht
but I tell you in confidence:
That was a VERY PATHETIC thing to say!!!
you should visit some OLYMPIC LIFTING Gym, with decent, competetive, maybe even elite lifters to see some REAL squats!
Get real! So what if he hasn’t seen it in real life. I’ve been a member of multiple commercial gyms and it’s rare to see anyone squat or deadlift, let alone pull double bodyweight. Not everyone trains at elite facilities. Some guys just want to look good naked and want to go to the local gym with all the other mere mortals to do so.
And imo the weight you use is not important. What is important is that you push your limits and continually strive for just 1 rep more and at least 2 more than you did last time.
As long as you’re progressing I couldn’t give a shit if you’re lifting 10kgs or 1000kgs. But obviously 1000kgs will be more impressive to look at. [/quote]
So what?? Absolutely nothing!!
It is not anybody?s fault that you and you alikes (I call it fitness industry victims) have not seen any decent athletic feats.
I guess you have not seen much when it comes to athleticism.
You?ve surely seen plenty other fantastic things that I have NOT! (ie Kangaroo)
Do not get it too personal, but in a way, I feel sorry for you guys. You’ve been brain washed by fitness/BB mags and what you see in day in and out in commercial leisure/health clubs.
As far as I know, there are quite a few competitive (at various levels) athletes, S&C Coaches and trainers that train in different facilities to yours… and I do not think they see this 2x ATG Squat such a big deal
But do not despair - there’s hope! Just take off these pinky spandex pants of yours and get decent pajamas, just as our Sensless does, find the some smelly and scruffy gym with at least a couple of squat racks and a chinning bar and start heavy squats, deadlifts, rows, presses, cleans, snatches and chins together with other big and strong guys there.
You should hit 2x body weight squat in a year or so.
By the way, I know personally a few competitors that DO(at present) RAW 3 (THREE) x bodyweight BENCH Press in competition.
and read the above again!!!
A few years back my best friend pressed 190 kg @ 77kg body weight at the ago of 21! Raw, NO juice! That is also more than 2.5 x body weight.
And you can not find anybody who does 2 x bodyweight SQUAT/DL in your gyms?? What does it say about these guys that, as you say, “push their limits”!
Pitiful . . . their push the limits that industry set on them by providing your facility with full of crap CV equipment and cables together with bosus, plastic power bars, smith machines, assisted chin-up machine and stability balls instead of lifting platforms dumbbells and ORDINARY chinning bars.
Keep reading and APPLYING what you can find on this site (among some others) and you’ll get there yourself!
[quote]Kir Dog wrote:
Senseless,
(since you were talking to me)Yeah, I have trained for quite a while, still learning. In between there I had some major drug addictions and ceased lifting for some time. Just a 4 year loss since the 11 years ago that I started.
I could give a shit about looks, I lift for strength, speed and power. I’m near a 2x bodyweight squat, raw of course. Also, I suffered a potential career ending injury for squatting (herniated disc) and it took 11 months to heal where I could start squating again. It’s only been 10 months since my recovery and I squat 385 raw for a max, 295 front squat. My numbers aren’t horrible but because of my injury my legs and lower back are my weak link.
I train usually at home or at the University (these guys don’t know how to squat…again, that’s not my fault). So I really don’t see guys like you and the T-Nation guys. My comment about not seeing a 2x bw squatter was not directed at anyone in the forum, just my observation. I still think that it’s a rare feat.
Maybe I should just find a better gym…but then again, I care about my lifts more than yours. Take care.[/quote]
Kir Dog,
PLEASE, DO read everything L. Simmons and Dave Tate have written on squat and box squat.
I also suggest that you get West side barbels/L.Simmons’ video on squat training! will ONLY cost you a couple of $$ and
It will save you a lot of unnecesery pain and injuries!
I think this is the best think I could recommend to you.
good luck in getting strong and keeping fit and healthy
well,
I’m goint to re-heat this post somewhat.
Just found this quick movie, so I though I’ll share it with some you sceptics.
295 kg RAW squat (actually there’s also double) @ 99 kg body weight
so you have nearly 3 x body weight ATG squat
Enjoy! 
[quote]FairDo wrote:
well,
I’m goint to re-heat this post somewhat.
Just found this quick movie, so I though I’ll share it with some you sceptics.
295 kg RAW squat (actually there’s also double) @ 99 kg body weight
so you have nearly 3 x body weight ATG squat
Enjoy! :)[/quote]
Wow! He sure made that look easy!
[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
sensless wrote:
Classy_Cojones wrote:
My question does not refer to what I should be doing, but what ok, good and excellent numbers would be for the ideal 205 pounds strenght athlete.
OK = Double BW = 410lb
Good = 250% BW = 512.5lb
Excellent = Triple BW = 615lb
Regards,
Sensless
Everyone sounds real badass on the Internet. Yeah, 405 lb full-range squats are a joke, the average 205 lb man can do it. [/quote]
Senseless responded with ideal figures for a 205 lb strength athlete, then posted a video of himself doing an “OK” squat. He didn’t ask about the “average 205 lb man”, he asked about a 205 lb strength athlete.
[quote]john-lennon wrote:
wow that picture of the prolapsed anus was disturbing… im guessing you DO NOT suck your stomach in when squatting eh? [/quote]
It’s a fake. It’s been discussed on a lot of forums and it just doesn’t match what would happen if someone’s bowels shot out their anus.
Props to senseless on the video. Awesome, very strict form.
-Dan
[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
Everyone sounds real badass on the Internet. Yeah, 405 lb full-range squats are a joke, the average 205 lb man can do it. [/quote]
I know a 15 year weighing about 190 who can squat 405 full-range with no equipment. He’s not saying this is average; he’s saying this is an “okay” weight. The average 205 lb man in America probably has upwards of 20% bodyfat…
Awesome, Senseless! I’m moving on to ATG squats after too many years of ego squatting. Good thread and responses.
I find it funny that I was frowned on in this forum for never seeing an atg raw 2x bw squat (live, not video…like I’ve never seen it in a video). Some people made it seem like this goes on in every gym and then the sense man posts a video of himself and everyone goes gaga over the lift like they’ve never seen it before. Sometimes I wonder about you people.
Anyways, I front squatted 300 raw today and I’m just under 200lbs. Who else can do that here? Yes I’m bitter!
I have snatched 308 raw
I have front squatted 180 kg raw at the end of a 3 hour Oly workout.
I have also done a 220x2 raw atg back squat at the end of another workout.
I mention the squats are done at the end because these are assistance exercises for me and are not my main focus and these lifts are harder to do after a few hours of snatching and clean and jerking etc…
I am a bit heavier than you though at around 215 lbs.
I lift mostly at an Oly lifting club at a highschool and help coach there as well so all I see are full squats front and back done by everybody.
by the way we have a few junior lifters that can do some good squats here:
16 year old 62 kg lifter that I have seen squat 155 kg and missed him doing 160 a month ago. he also has a 125 front squat which is 2xbw front!
we have a female junior (18 years old) who can back 150 kg atg raw.
Rob
[quote]knobbers wrote:
I have snatched 308 raw
I have front squatted 180 kg raw at the end of a 3 hour Oly workout.
I have also done a 220x2 raw atg back squat at the end of another workout.
I mention the squats are done at the end because these are assistance exercises for me and are not my main focus and these lifts are harder to do after a few hours of snatching and clean and jerking etc…
I am a bit heavier than you though at around 215 lbs.
I lift mostly at an Oly lifting club at a highschool and help coach there as well so all I see are full squats front and back done by everybody.
by the way we have a few junior lifters that can do some good squats here:
16 year old 62 kg lifter that I have seen squat 155 kg and missed him doing 160 a month ago. he also has a 125 front squat which is 2xbw front!
we have a female junior (18 years old) who can back 150 kg atg raw.
Rob[/quote]
Rob,
Thanks a lot, you’ve just made this 29 y.o. feel very weak, LOL!
[quote]FairDo wrote:
well,
I’m goint to re-heat this post somewhat.
Just found this quick movie, so I though I’ll share it with some you sceptics.
295 kg RAW squat (actually there’s also double) @ 99 kg body weight
so you have nearly 3 x body weight ATG squat
Enjoy! :)[/quote]
I love these ironmind vids, excellent.
[quote]Kir Dog wrote:
I have never seen a person squat 2x bodyweight raw, atg.[/quote]
Ive seen a 180lb dude squat 425 for 2, and a 175 lb guy squat 550 for 2.
Awesome senseless!
I was expecting you to look like your avatar though and squat some fuckin tree trunk or somethin!