I was hoping to get ART but it is not covered by my current insurer.
How have other people gone about getting ART? Did you need to get a referral through another doctor or did you just contact the ART provider and set up a treatment?
Any info would be apprecited.
Thanks,
Soco
i’m pretty sure you can just call and make an appointment. You don’t need a referral, at least, not unless you’re claiming it for insurance.
but check this out. Eric Cressey explains how you can do-it-yourself ART in this article.
I was also thinking of getting this done.
Any idea on the price range?
Even better, anyone get it done in Michigan and would recommend someone? I see there is a few to choose from at their website.
ART is worh the money. My insurance doesn’t cover it either, but I pay $60 out of pocket each session. Usually it only takes 2-4 sessions to bring major relief in my experience. I’ve done it a few times over the last 5 years.
[quote]Soco wrote:
I was hoping to get ART but it is not covered by my current insurer.
How have other people gone about getting ART? Did you need to get a referral through another doctor or did you just contact the ART provider and set up a treatment?
Any info would be apprecited.
Thanks,
Soco
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You might want to consider looking at different practitioners if your trying to get ART covered by insurance. I know they certify chiropractors and physical therapists, but I’m not sure about others (i.e. massage therapists).
It might also be important to consider that these practitioners do not bill specifically for “ART” when filing claims with your insurance company. I can’t speak for chiropractors, but PTs would typically bill for this type of treatment using a general “Manual Therapy” code, which is often reimbursed by insurers.
So, if you specifically want ART, find a certified practitioner in your area and call their office. Ask if they need a referral for your situation (i.e. depending upon the state you are in, you may or may not need a physician’s referral for PT). Also let them know what health insurance carrier you have and they will often be able to tell you whether their services would be covered or not.
Hope this helps.
[quote]Mike Sullivan wrote:
Try this article.
Feel Better for $10
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=475832[/quote]
Already using one of those foam rollers about 5 days a week and following Cressey’s Mobility DVD suggestions. I want to at least try the real thing.
Thanks for the link though
Ugluk,
I can only change providers once a year (I would have to wait 6 months) through my work. The monthly fee is very cheap though so it might almost be worth it to pay out of pocket for ART rather than go for the more expensive treatment.
That is interesting with the manual therapy code though. It is annyoing that you can get hundreds of dollars through regular physical therapy but not a a smaller amount for ART…
Damn you Aetna!!!
Thanks,
Soco
[quote]Morganite wrote:
ART is worh the money. My insurance doesn’t cover it either, but I pay $60 out of pocket each session. Usually it only takes 2-4 sessions to bring major relief in my experience. I’ve done it a few times over the last 5 years.[/quote]
See I will already pay $80 for a deep tissue massage and I don’t think will help as much as ART from what I have read. I already drop $200 a month on Biotest supps, a couple hundred more every year even would probably be money well spent.
Thanks for the info. Did you have a specific injury or just general discomfort?
Soco
Call them directly.
Go in, wait for the doc to come in the room and explain to him that you are a cash customer. Leave the insurance shit out of it, it’s not relevant.
Negotiate the best rate you can and be ready to leave. He does not need an x-ray to do ART. X-rays do not show soft tissue.
I get ART as well as a full adjustment from one of the best in the business for $40 cash a visit.
Most docs utilize billing services which costs money and increases the billing cycle, in addition to dealing with insurance companies which makes them net 30 at best, probably net 60 plus they have to deal with capitation, so the lure of someobdy walking in and cashing out is not without merit.
Obviously, go the the website, pick out 2-3 providers in your area and find which one is most amenable to a cash deal.
Good luck. If you find somebody good, they are worth their weight in platinum.
Do you really see a difference for the $200 worth of supplements?
I can’t imagine, if you stopped taking them, people would say, “Have you stopped working out?”
(I suspect they’d say, “Nice new truck, what, you stop buying all the super-pills?”)
Sarcasm aside, what do you think you get out of the money you spend? I ask in a serious and not-smart-ass way.
[quote]superstar wrote:
i’m pretty sure you can just call and make an appointment. You don’t need a referral, at least, not unless you’re claiming it for insurance.
but check this out. Eric Cressey explains how you can do-it-yourself ART in this article.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1153915[/quote]
Guys,
I can’t overstate enough how much better the real thing is as compared to the rudimentary stuff I outlined; this is just intended to be an in-between approach that’ll help your cause, and you can’t really do it comprehensively. If you can, get to a professional as often as possible; it’s well worth it.
[quote]ScienceGuy wrote:
Do you really see a difference for the $200 worth of supplements?
I can’t imagine, if you stopped taking them, people would say, “Have you stopped working out?”
(I suspect they’d say, “Nice new truck, what, you stop buying all the super-pills?”)
Sarcasm aside, what do you think you get out of the money you spend? I ask in a serious and not-smart-ass way.[/quote]
Well, I only purchase protein and Surge so it is substitute for food. In terms of cost and quality, it is far more economical to go this route rather than cook for myself 6 meals a day.
On the margin I can’t tell you what I get exactly for that money (my estimate by the way was on the high end). I do know that if I wasn’t spending what I do a month at Biotest I would make up for it at the grocery store.
Soco
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Call them directly.
Go in, wait for the doc to come in the room and explain to him that you are a cash customer. Leave the insurance shit out of it, it’s not relevant.
Negotiate the best rate you can and be ready to leave. He does not need an x-ray to do ART. X-rays do not show soft tissue.
I get ART as well as a full adjustment from one of the best in the business for $40 cash a visit.
Most docs utilize billing services which costs money and increases the billing cycle, in addition to dealing with insurance companies which makes them net 30 at best, probably net 60 plus they have to deal with capitation, so the lure of someobdy walking in and cashing out is not without merit.
Obviously, go the the website, pick out 2-3 providers in your area and find which one is most amenable to a cash deal.
Good luck. If you find somebody good, they are worth their weight in platinum.[/quote]
Thanks apwsearch, that was the type of advice I was looking for. I’ll call the doc sometime this week and see what I can set up.
I called and set up an appointment for next week. First session is $75 (I guess I have to get looked over etc.) but everything after that is $45. Hopefully this goes well.
does anyone have insurance that covers ART?
[quote]BASTARD GUY wrote:
does anyone have insurance that covers ART?[/quote]
mine does. I work for the canadian government. It covers ART, chiro, even my naturopath.
Ok, so it has been awhile since I checked in.
So far I have had 5 ART treatments. I feel much much better and can dumbell press now without a sharp, knife-like pain in my shoulder.
I’ll probably get 2-4 more as long as things keep improving.
Ok, I finished up with a total of eight tretaments. I think 6 were about enough but I just wanted to makes sure.
My entire upper body has much better motion than it did and I no longer feel a a sharp pain with certain lifts. I still have a good amount of scar tissue in my pecs and shoulder area that I am going to work on myself. Additionally, while ART did free up my motion, it also made my hypermobility in my left shoulder much more apparent.
I will focus on strengthening that area with a variety of lifts that I have gotten off of Cressey’s shoulder savers article.
In conclusion, I highly recommend ART. I really wish I had done this before.