Viator was quoted saying that Arnold puked; if he was lying wouldn’t Viator have retracted that statement considering he was Arnold’s friend?
Meet in the middle; give Arnold 19.5" arms on the left and 20-20.5" on the right. Maybe Arnold’s arms in 73-74 were 21.5-22" because that was prime Arnold; in pumping iron 75 he was smaller and obviously in 80 as he had only 2 months to train
Maybe Arnold’s arms were 22" pumped and 19.5" cold. Arnold had bigger arms than Sergio though; heck I’d say he may even have had bigger arms than Lou (Lou was bigger overall though)
2.5 " extra from cold to pumped , possible maybe? More like 1" extra, maybe 1.5". Still those dudes had impressive arms no matter what the tape measured.
I remember reading that book but don’t remember a direct quote or anything actually citing Casey in it. Do you have a page number?
And I am not sure how litigious one would be in situations such as this.
Page 45 dude, I even put the quote in OP
Also, couldn’t have Arnold simply denied it or hit back? I find it hard to believe Jones would quote Viator as Arnold and Viator were friends and so were Jones and Viator; couldn’t Casey have denied it?
Well I guess it’s a combination of measuring his arms cold and not measuring in the prime years of 73-74. I’m only ‘impressed’ when arms are over 18 inches as I’m sure anything under 18 is steroid-free (16-18" drug free is impressive though).
Is there a link for this? I was ‘convinced’ HIT was the best because I read Mike Mentzer’s book High Intensity Training and hearing Dorian Yates and Casey Viator also did it but little did I know Mike kept on changing the workouts every time a new book came out and he kept on decreasing the volume.
I felt HIT slowed me down but to be honest I’m still a novice lifter
Right; I meant more a citation of that quote in the book. I don’t remember there being anything documented regarding a source for it…
You will forgive me, but I had a hard time believing anything in that book or from the Arthur Jones camp.
I’ve heard multiple accounts where at a seminar, someone asked Mentzer how big his arms were, commenting that they were huge and looked over 20". Supposedly, Mike replied that they were only 18 3/4", which is insanely huge, on a lean, 5’8-ish physique. People get these #s in their heads and lose all sight of what things actually look like in person.
With the various claims and BS calls, remember that these guys were selling themselves, and appearing to be larger than life was a big part of that.
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Arnold talks about puking from training in pumping iron too. I’m not sure what throwing up while doing HIT proves?
How high is this intensity?
I will answer if you tell me what lift he was doing. Was that a 50% ROM push press?
Does anyone else scream Arnold’s name between reps? …I mean, I do.
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Lunk alarm. He gets it.
Where did you read Olivia and Viator stopped doing HIT? People also say Dorian Yates didn’t really do HIT/ wasn’t as close to Mentzer as people thought
So the consensus is that Arthur Jones lied about Schwarzenegger puking? Is there a reason that people think Jones is a bullshitter?
Remember it was allegedly Casey Viator who said this- why would Arnold’s friend lie if it was untrue?
Have you read anything he put out?
It could have been the book Muscle Smoke and Mirrors prob the 2nd volume, re Colorado experiment. I can’t remember exactly. Also Sergio had a biography/training manual, except for the Colorado Experiment I don’t think he trained HIT, went straight back to a high volume approach. He didn’t promote HIT as a training approach.
Casey also had a two bio/training manuals CV Total Fitness, and Articles of Mass Conversion(which are very good). Whilst he talks about his time with Arthur Jones/Nautilus, and then hanging out with the Mentzers, when he did train HIT, after that and possibly even interspersed with HIT he did much higher volume workouts, especially around contest time,eg up to 24 sets for chest. 5-6 exercises for 4 sets. Bill Starr claimed Casey told him that he snuck out, away from Nautlius to a regular gym to do extra free weight work. Though he didn’t say if it was HIT or multi set training. Starr said Casey was also taking steroids during the expt(which is pretty obvious).
HIT can be very good, and on paper it looks to be the best approach, less time in the gym, less sets, to maximise growth, prevent overtraining… I think what can get a lot of people in trouble with HIT is following an experienced bodybuilders routine and approach to generating that intensity. One persons definition and the interpretation of “going to failure” can be very different from the next. Add to that drop sets, or rest pause, neg only reps and you can really bust yourself up, or at least be a walking wreck for the majority of time, from one workout until you are ready to repeat it.
You need to temper HIT with common sense, you can’t keep improving indefinitely by training harder and more intensely, you eventually will burn out mentally if not physically.
I think the modern disciples of HITlike John Little recommend training HIT for 6 weeks or so before taking a week off( might’ve been Ironman Mag were I read that).
As for Dorian he had his own interpretation of HIT, split routines rather than whole body routines. Sometimes he even did two sets to failure of the same exercise. He suffered several tears to tendons in the latter part of his from training with heavy weights, whilst being in a calorie depleted state. Even he said if he could do it all over again he would have reduced the max weight/effort in the later part of contest prep.
Horses for courses. Depends upon your individual structure and genetics. Some people will thrive on a certain approach, whilst others won’t.
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In Mentzer’s book by John Little he promoted split routines as well though except it was a max 2 exercises per bodypart and 4-7 days rest per workout.
I was under the assumption Dorian did multiple exercises per bodypart to hit it from all angles