I know it’s not common around here but I have some friends that idolize him as if he is the ultimate authority on weight lifting. But to me that seems to be the generally excepted opinion.
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I agree, I think it’s worse with young people. I’m in high school and many people follow his advice/routines to a tee. They are in the gym for 2 hours or more a night. When I question their methods or give some advice they laugh.
I sometimes try to tell them that the average person can’t do these ultra-high volume routines. They also can’t understand how I’m making better gains than them when I’m using programs that are so “strange” and they say that I’m being so lazy by only being in the gym for half the time they are.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Whoever said it above was spot on, Arnold is bodybuilding. He brought it from the gym into the mainstream. Arnold is living proof that anything is posisble with hard work, dedication, a good attitude and a little bit of luck.
Arnold had the charisma, the charm, the looks and the patience to do what no other bodybuilder ever had. Arnold took out the pro BB world by storm, went into movies becoming the highest paid movie star in history, then became governor of California. He was born in rebuilding Austria post WWII, at that time the concept of someone doing just that was a dream. Arnold showed everyone, that dreams can come true.
Now what did he do with all that success, fortune and fame? Arnold worked with the President, Special Olympics, all kinds of charitable causes around the globe helping the community with that fortune and fame. Arnold also showed that celebrity doesn’t have to mean asshole.
Obsession, no. Giving credit where credit is due, yes. Arnold earned all of our credit. I tried his Chest & Back Superset program when I was a newbie. I puked, tried again, puked again, gave up. Since then I haven’t tried another of his workouts. But my respect and admiration for the man will never fade. [/quote]
[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
: Go Heavy Fool
“You would probably not even be in here typing had Arnold not ever been born, now your in here asking why. Does that answer your question? If not, there is no hope for you, you are hopeless, that means less than hoping.”
This is a perfect example of my frustration.
this guy actually thinks that we all owe Arnold credit for our weight lifting
are you kidding?
people lifted weights before Arnold and had he not been born i am sure people would still be lifting weights.
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You now leave me with no choice. Bonzi… you are a natural born loser who won’t give credit where credit is due. Like I said before… “you wouldn’t even be in here typing”, there wouldn’t be a T-Nation, and the world would be far less interested in bodybuilding had Arnold never been born.
I think I got it right the first time… you are hopeless.
The strong admire greatness than try to beat it. The weak discredit greatness because they are too much of a coward to try to beat it.
Until you master a physique better than Arnolds… give the man his credit and suck on it, you sack of ungreatful monkeyshit.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
: Go Heavy Fool
“You would probably not even be in here typing had Arnold not ever been born, now your in here asking why. Does that answer your question? If not, there is no hope for you, you are hopeless, that means less than hoping.”
This is a perfect example of my frustration.
this guy actually thinks that we all owe Arnold credit for our weight lifting
are you kidding?
people lifted weights before Arnold and had he not been born i am sure people would still be lifting weights.
You now leave me with no choice. Bonzi… you are a natural born loser who won’t give credit where credit is due. Like I said before… “you wouldn’t even be in here typing”, there wouldn’t be a T-Nation, and the world would be far less interested in bodybuilding had Arnold never been born.
I think I got it right the first time… you are hopeless.
The strong admire greatness than try to beat it. The weak discredit greatness because they are too much of a coward to try to beat it.
Until you master a physique better than Arnolds… give the man his credit and suck on it, you sack of ungreatful monkeyshit.
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settle down big guy. i’m pretty sure what he’s trying to say is that arnold wasn’t a trainer and that a lot of his training methodology doesn’t carry across to a natural less hard-core body builder.
i’m a huge fan of arnold, his attitude and personality is unparalleled but that doesn’t mean i think people should look at him for training help.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
By the way Bonzi… if you look up the word “bodybuilding” in the dictionary, it just says “Arnold Schwarzenegger”… that’s all it says. Nothing else.
Bodybuilding… Arnold Schwarzenegger
Boxing… Muhammad Ali
Baseball… Babe Ruth
[quote]Man O’ War wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
By the way Bonzi… if you look up the word “bodybuilding” in the dictionary, it just says “Arnold Schwarzenegger”… that’s all it says. Nothing else.
Bodybuilding… Arnold Schwarzenegger
Boxing… Muhammad Ali
Baseball… Babe Ruth
Any questions?
Yep. Who have you got for Basketball?[/quote]
Jordan!
The answer will always be the biggest ICON that changed the game, or changed the popularity and influence on it.
[quote]ZedLeppelin wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
: Go Heavy Fool
“You would probably not even be in here typing had Arnold not ever been born, now your in here asking why. Does that answer your question? If not, there is no hope for you, you are hopeless, that means less than hoping.”
This is a perfect example of my frustration.
this guy actually thinks that we all owe Arnold credit for our weight lifting
are you kidding?
people lifted weights before Arnold and had he not been born i am sure people would still be lifting weights.
You now leave me with no choice. Bonzi… you are a natural born loser who won’t give credit where credit is due. Like I said before… “you wouldn’t even be in here typing”, there wouldn’t be a T-Nation, and the world would be far less interested in bodybuilding had Arnold never been born.
I think I got it right the first time… you are hopeless.
The strong admire greatness than try to beat it. The weak discredit greatness because they are too much of a coward to try to beat it.
Until you master a physique better than Arnolds… give the man his credit and suck on it, you sack of ungreatful monkeyshit.
settle down big guy. i’m pretty sure what he’s trying to say is that arnold wasn’t a trainer and that a lot of his training methodology doesn’t carry across to a natural less hard-core body builder.
i’m a huge fan of arnold, his attitude and personality is unparalleled but that doesn’t mean i think people should look at him for training help.
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[quote]bonzi50 wrote:
ZedLeppelin wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
bonzi50 wrote:
: Go Heavy Fool
“You would probably not even be in here typing had Arnold not ever been born, now your in here asking why. Does that answer your question? If not, there is no hope for you, you are hopeless, that means less than hoping.”
This is a perfect example of my frustration.
this guy actually thinks that we all owe Arnold credit for our weight lifting
are you kidding?
people lifted weights before Arnold and had he not been born i am sure people would still be lifting weights.
You now leave me with no choice. Bonzi… you are a natural born loser who won’t give credit where credit is due. Like I said before… “you wouldn’t even be in here typing”, there wouldn’t be a T-Nation, and the world would be far less interested in bodybuilding had Arnold never been born.
I think I got it right the first time… you are hopeless.
The strong admire greatness than try to beat it. The weak discredit greatness because they are too much of a coward to try to beat it.
Until you master a physique better than Arnolds… give the man his credit and suck on it, you sack of ungreatful monkeyshit.
settle down big guy. i’m pretty sure what he’s trying to say is that arnold wasn’t a trainer and that a lot of his training methodology doesn’t carry across to a natural less hard-core body builder.
i’m a huge fan of arnold, his attitude and personality is unparalleled but that doesn’t mean i think people should look at him for training help.
yes, exactly what i’ve been trying to say.[/quote]
Bonzi you have to realize the greatness of the man before you can defeat him. I wouldn’t recommend anybody doing anything Arnold did. But I would recommend his attitude, personality, indomitable nature, determination, charisma, and dedication. These are far superior qualities to admire and respect than any goddam training routine or advice. Personally… I say “Fuck Arnold’s routine, that routine will probably only work for one person and his name was in fact Arnold.”
Respect the man and what he did for the sport. Arnold had so much drive… I thinbk that is what caused more people to motivate themselves and try to pursue the impossible. Arnold paved the way for all of us. He is just one of mant greats in history. Respect! That’s what its all about.
I’m still fuckin’ blown away by Arnold, and its been 30 years since he put the rediculous physique together. I’ve never seen a human, any human, look that good with muscles. PERIOD.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Man O’ War wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
By the way Bonzi… if you look up the word “bodybuilding” in the dictionary, it just says “Arnold Schwarzenegger”… that’s all it says. Nothing else.
Bodybuilding… Arnold Schwarzenegger
Boxing… Muhammad Ali
Baseball… Babe Ruth
Any questions?
Yep. Who have you got for Basketball?
Jordan!
The answer will always be the biggest ICON that changed the game, or changed the popularity and influence on it.
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Good call with Jordan as Arnold’s name is synonymous to Bodybuilding.
Arnold comes from a very diverse background and has many accomplishments. He is very passionate and gifted.
Why dont you read his accomplishments, compare them to yourself, compare them the person next to you, the next 50 people you come across, then you ask yourself why people think hiughly of him.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Arnold comes from a very diverse background and has many accomplishments. He is very passionate and gifted.
Why dont you read his accomplishments, compare them to yourself, compare them the person next to you, the next 50 people you come across, then you ask yourself why people think hiughly of him.
Here is a link:
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This isnt at all what my initial rant is about. It is amazing how far Arnold has taken himself. But what I am saying is that he just doesn’t deserve this almighty exercise guru status. Every program shouldn’t be compared to what he did.
thats all that irritates me.
And i hear it a lot. Now everyone just cool your jets. I’m not trash talking ole Arnold. the “if some is good, more is better.” training philosophy isn’t efficient and most definitely isn’t for everyone. Not that it was his fault, it worked for him but they also just didn’t have a good understanding of what was going on physiologically back in the 60s.
bro listen, all u guys on hear think u now so damn much, well old Arnie might talk funny but he knows hell of a lot more than most these new age gurus
i bet hes way stronger than u still! practice what u preach bonzi… and what the hell like people didnt know how to lift weights in the 60s it aint that complicated, pick up put down
But I would recommend his attitude, personality, indomitable nature, determination, charisma, and dedication. These are far superior qualities to admire and respect than any goddam training routine or advice. Personally… I say “Fuck Arnold’s routine, that routine will probably only work for one person and his name was in fact Arnold.” [/quote]
Jesus! That is what i was trying to say the whole time. I never once said i didn’t respect Arnold. shit, he has accomplished enough stuff to be placed along side some of histories greats.
but!!
I hear it all the time. “Arnold did this to peak his bicep.” or “Arnold did lat pulls like this” It just shouldn’t be compared with everything else that way.
that was all i was saying and like i said earlier it is weird and somewhat telling how people get so defensive and even offensive as if someone was disrespecting their mother when anyone tries to question what Arnold was doing.
[quote]Man O’ War wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
By the way Bonzi… if you look up the word “bodybuilding” in the dictionary, it just says “Arnold Schwarzenegger”… that’s all it says. Nothing else.
Bodybuilding… Arnold Schwarzenegger
Boxing… Muhammad Ali
Baseball… Babe Ruth
[quote]HummersDominate wrote:
bro listen, all u guys on hear think u now so damn much, well old Arnie might talk funny but he knows hell of a lot more than most these new age gurus
i bet hes way stronger than u still! practice what u preach bonzi… and what the hell like people didnt know how to lift weights in the 60s it aint that complicated, pick up put down
lates
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I already said that he worked hard. that is all most people need to do reguardless of what routine they do. shit some say hard work is the great equalizer. thats why it didn’t matter what he did in his routine. He had a work ethic like a mule. thanks for the insult, especially since you don’t know me at all.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
By the way Bonzi… if you look up the word “bodybuilding” in the dictionary, it just says “Arnold Schwarzenegger”… that’s all it says. Nothing else.
Bodybuilding… Arnold Schwarzenegger
Boxing… Muhammad Ali
Baseball… Babe Ruth
Any questions?[/quote]
Rocky Marciano would have kicked Ali’s ass.
I’m not even saying that for the Eddie Murphy reference, I’m serious.
But what I am saying is that he just doesn’t deserve this almighty exercise guru status. Every program shouldn’t be compared to what he did.
thats all that irritates me.
And i hear it a lot. Now everyone just cool your jets. I’m not trash talking ole Arnold. the “if some is good, more is better.” training philosophy isn’t efficient and most definitely isn’t for everyone. Not that it was his fault, it worked for him but they also just didn’t have a good understanding of what was going on physiologically back in the 60s.
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OK I understand. Perhaps you are stretching a bit when you state “Every program shouldn’t be compared to what he did.” I have read numerous articles on here, and not one has quoted or compared the routine to what Arnold did or said.
Now, before I continue, you have to understand that Arnold was/is considered the pioneer of bodybuilding. He is considered the person that brought it to the mainsteam, mainly through is passion and uniqueness in the 1977 film “Pumping Iron.”
That film introduced bodybuilding to mainstream America and peaked interest. Arnold went on to do more, and still does more, but is largely recognized for his bodybuilding. Lets face it, he was a great bodybuilder. He won 7 Mr. Olympia titles, and if memory serves me correctly 6 of them were consecutive and 1 of them was 5 years after he left pro bodybuilding. Not to mention his other body building accomplishments:
I am not sure any bodybuilder has achieved more in bodybuilding, but I could be wrong. Probably am wrong since I do not know for sure, which brings me to the point, I know of Arnold’s bodybuilding achievements because he is so popular. Lets face it, he is a household name.
Now, I cannot speak for everyone that refers to Arnold, but I can tell you why I quote him. My wife does not know Chad Waterbury, John Berardi, or even Joe Weider (chauncey in my book). But boy she knows Arnold Schwazenegger.
I tell her Chad Waterbury says total body workout, and she is like “so.” But boy I tell her I read in Arnold’s encyclopedia of bodybuilding “you must do squats or you will not grow,” and boy my statement is given all kinds of merit, simply because of the source.
I often quote Arnold to get across a lame point, normally to laymen that don’t know much and give merit to the source. in everyday interactions, I can quote Chad Waterbury all day and what I quote is given little merit. Most likely because the audience does not know the source as reliable.
But when I quote Arnold’s encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, the subjects perk up, take heed, and even sometimes report on their experiences trying what I quoted.
Why do people take heed when I quote Arnold? Because they know him. They know him for being huge, achieving Bodybuilding stardom, and obviously being educated in the field. Let’s face it, what Arnold says/said is respected as a valid source.
Today, I know much of what I read in Arnold’s Encyclopedia (the old one, I have not read the new one) is outdated and does not work for all. I am guessing what is written in the new book is no where near the information, techniques, routines I read about here. but that is speculation.
And thats my thoughts on why you perceive him as having “this almighty exercise guru status.” I think we can all agree that much of what Arnold did is outdated and does not work for everyone. I think we can all agree to that. The difference between Arnold being quoted, and Ronnie being quoted is that Arnold is well known, Ronnie Coleman is not well known among most people.
I dont know about your gym, but at the Gold’s I frequent the people are dfinitely not educated, or well versed in bodybuilding, let alone the less popular people that have done great such as Ronnine Coleman you named earlier. I find people in general are not real smart and often go the easiest route.
Now when the audience becomes more educated, you can begin to quote more updated people and it is given equal merit. Why don’t you recommend to your friends they come here and learn a little something?