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[quote]Goodfellow wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I’m still trying to figure out what a COMPLETELY natural bodybuilder (with amazing genetics and never having taken steroids in their life) would look like after ~10 yrs of training, JUST SO I KNOW what my goal can/should be (cause I don’t plan ever using them).

I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll never know cause anyone one who DOES know isn’t willing to speak.

Sorry for the poor understanding and accusations, I’m just trying to learn, really. [/quote]

I really can not understand your train of thought.

Why would you want to see what you could look like after 10 years of training, why are you seeking out potential limits?

I would always try to aim as high as I can and see where I get, and everyone elses progress is meaningless.

I mean, if someone said they could tell you everything that is going to happen in your life, would you really want to know? I wouldn’t. It’s the same concept.
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I would like a glimpse into the possibilities. I’m seeking potential limits, I’m just trying to figure out what is realistic, is that reasonable? I’ll try making the argument using the flip side of the coin…When I see some dude who is 250+ and jacked, and I know that he’s on steroids, I’ll be comfortable knowing that I won’t make it to that point while staying natural.

I’m not trying to see what is going to happen in my life…again, I just want a frame of reference to know whats realistic.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I’m still trying to figure out what a COMPLETELY natural bodybuilder (with amazing genetics and never having taken steroids in their life) would look like after ~10 yrs of training, JUST SO I KNOW what my goal can/should be (cause I don’t plan ever using them).

I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll never know cause anyone one who DOES know isn’t willing to speak.

Sorry for the poor understanding and accusations, I’m just trying to learn, really. [/quote]

I really can not understand your train of thought.

Why would you want to see what you could look like after 10 years of training, why are you seeking out potential limits?

I would always try to aim as high as I can and see where I get, and everyone elses progress is meaningless.

I mean, if someone said they could tell you everything that is going to happen in your life, would you really want to know? I wouldn’t. It’s the same concept.
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I would like a glimpse into the possibilities. I’m seeking potential limits, I’m just trying to figure out what is realistic, is that reasonable? I’ll try making the argument using the flip side of the coin…When I see some dude who is 250+ and jacked, and I know that he’s on steroids, I’ll be comfortable knowing that I won’t make it to that point while staying natural.

I’m not trying to see what is going to happen in my life…again, I just want a frame of reference to know whats realistic.[/quote]

This is retarded. There are people with great genetics. There are people with genetics that suck. Why the fuck would the progress of anyone else determine YOUR progress? Someone else’s progress CAN NOT tell you about “the possibilities” FOR YOU.

Do you even understand that much? You do not look like some genetic freak from your pictures so why would you assume that you could reach the level that a genetic freak could natural or otherwise?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
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This is retarded. There are people with great genetics. There are people with genetics that suck. Why the fuck would the progress of anyone else determine YOUR progress? Someone else’s progress CAN NOT tell you about “the possibilities” FOR YOU.

Do you even understand that much? You do not look like some genetic freak from your pictures so why would you assume that you could reach the level that a genetic freak could natural or otherwise?[/quote]

x2

There are people whose natural physiques are probably better than results other people can get WITH steroids. Take somebody with good genetics who knows how to train, stays consistent, and eats right - and you will get somebody who will far surpass MANY who use steroids.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

There are 2 guys like this at the gym I use at home. I only see them over summer/winter break, but they both have excellent physiques and lift really light weights, like max bench 135, curls with the 15s, cable lateral raises with 10 lbs. They do all their reps reallllllly slow with really good form. They are both also ex military.

I always assumed they built their physiques with heavy weight and are just maintaining it at this point.[/quote]

My training partner is strong as shit…but will avoid heavy weights much of the time to focus on the speed of the rep. He weighs about 250lbs right now at 5’7".

Bottom line, why the fuck wouldn’t you go speak to the guys instead of making up shit about them and then spreading it on the internet?

And yes, that was directed at Nards.[/quote]

First, I giggled a bit at “spreading it on the internet”.

I admitted that there could be times where he trains heavy that I may have missed over the years.

But this again begs the question of how are we seeing steroids?

If a guy takes them it’s his own choice right?

So if I say I think a guy is on them, a few guys will then jump in with a myriad of possibilities and reasons and so forth for how I could be wrong about him maybe being on steroids. That not every big guy is on them etc.

Then make up your mind, is it OK or not?

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I’m confused by what you are writing. What do you mean by, “how are we seeing steroids”? You are assuming all kinds of shit about another lifter that you don’t even know based on limited contact and looking at him from across the gym. Hell, remember, you thought 25" quads were big so we all have to take you at your word that this guy even looks like he uses steroids or ever has. That is one huge leap to make.

What do you mean by, “is it ok”? It isn’t your business to start with so why would you worry if it is ok? Ok for whom?

I personally wouldn’t write what you did without KNOWING the lifter in question. there is no way in hell I am going to assume I know all about someone else’s training from looking at them across the gym. That makes no sense.

Guys like you are the type who see me warm up with a light weight on biceps and run out the gym telling other people that I never go heavy…or the guys at one gym who never see me train legs so they assume they must not get trained since their eyes didn’t see it.

Why the fuck would a serious weight lifter not ASK THE PERSON IN QUESTION if they were really concerned about HOW they lift and why they use that approach?

Do you even realize the sense you are not making?[/quote]

I just need to correct you. I didn’t say I thought 25" legs were big, it’s that I thought my legs were “okay to maybe big” but then was dismayed to find out they were only 25". I posted that here in all honesty.

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“Todays forecast for yor local Houston area, Mostly illiterate with a chance of stupid”…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is retarded. There are people with great genetics. There are people with genetics that suck. Why the fuck would the progress of anyone else determine YOUR progress? Someone else’s progress CAN NOT tell you about “the possibilities” FOR YOU. [/quote]
So…you mean everyone is different??? No fucking way dude…no WAY! (<—sarcasm)

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Do you even understand that much? You do not look like some genetic freak from your pictures so why would you assume that you could reach the level that a genetic freak could natural or otherwise?[/quote] Jesus, It’s like you are explaining it to yourself, but still can’t see where I’m coming from.

I’ll try one more time to explain my view here, so promise me that you’ll put a little more effort in reading this post, please?

Lets say we have THE guy with THE BEST genetics POSSIBLE, and he is and always has been natural his entire life, and he’s been lifting seriously for at least 10 years. Now, KNOWING that I don’t have those genetics, I’ll have a frame of reference for a physique that I MAY be able to APPROACH (but not arrive at) after that same amount of time of training. I’ll no longer be fooling myself into thinking that I’ll ever look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay etc.

Just imagine a guy working out balls-to-the-wall for 10yrs, staying completely natural, and wondering why he still doesn’t look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay or even any of the runner-ups and competitors. I just want to know what a BALL-PARK physique would look like for someone who is natural. Why is this striking you as so far fetched?

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[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
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This is retarded. There are people with great genetics. There are people with genetics that suck. Why the fuck would the progress of anyone else determine YOUR progress? Someone else’s progress CAN NOT tell you about “the possibilities” FOR YOU.

Do you even understand that much? You do not look like some genetic freak from your pictures so why would you assume that you could reach the level that a genetic freak could natural or otherwise?[/quote]

x2

There are people whose natural physiques are probably better than results other people can get WITH steroids. Take somebody with good genetics who knows how to train, stays consistent, and eats right - and you will get somebody who will far surpass MANY who use steroids.
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This is really all I needed to hear…Show me some pics of BB’s that you know are natural and I’ll believe you, and as a bonus item, I’ll shut up.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
“Todays forecast for yor local Houston area, Mostly illiterate with a chance of stupid”…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is retarded. There are people with great genetics. There are people with genetics that suck. Why the fuck would the progress of anyone else determine YOUR progress? Someone else’s progress CAN NOT tell you about “the possibilities” FOR YOU. [/quote]
So…you mean everyone is different??? No fucking way dude…no WAY! (<—sarcasm)

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Do you even understand that much? You do not look like some genetic freak from your pictures so why would you assume that you could reach the level that a genetic freak could natural or otherwise?[/quote] Jesus, It’s like you are explaining it to yourself, but still can’t see where I’m coming from.

I’ll try one more time to explain my view here, so promise me that you’ll put a little more effort in reading this post, please?

Lets say we have THE guy with THE BEST genetics POSSIBLE, and he is and always has been natural his entire life, and he’s been lifting seriously for at least 10 years. Now, KNOWING that I don’t have those genetics, I’ll have a frame of reference for a physique that I MAY be able to APPROACH (but not arrive at) after that same amount of time of training. I’ll no longer be fooling myself into thinking that I’ll ever look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay etc.

Just imagine a guy working out balls-to-the-wall for 10yrs, staying completely natural, and wondering why he still doesn’t look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay or even any of the runner-ups and competitors. I just want to know what a BALL-PARK physique would look like for someone who is natural. Why is this striking you as so far fetched?

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No offense to the homos but youre a homo.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
“Todays forecast for yor local Houston area, Mostly illiterate with a chance of stupid”…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is retarded. There are people with great genetics. There are people with genetics that suck. Why the fuck would the progress of anyone else determine YOUR progress? Someone else’s progress CAN NOT tell you about “the possibilities” FOR YOU. [/quote]
So…you mean everyone is different??? No fucking way dude…no WAY! (<—sarcasm)

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Do you even understand that much? You do not look like some genetic freak from your pictures so why would you assume that you could reach the level that a genetic freak could natural or otherwise?[/quote] Jesus, It’s like you are explaining it to yourself, but still can’t see where I’m coming from.

I’ll try one more time to explain my view here, so promise me that you’ll put a little more effort in reading this post, please?

Lets say we have THE guy with THE BEST genetics POSSIBLE, and he is and always has been natural his entire life, and he’s been lifting seriously for at least 10 years. Now, KNOWING that I don’t have those genetics, I’ll have a frame of reference for a physique that I MAY be able to APPROACH (but not arrive at) after that same amount of time of training. I’ll no longer be fooling myself into thinking that I’ll ever look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay etc.

Just imagine a guy working out balls-to-the-wall for 10yrs, staying completely natural, and wondering why he still doesn’t look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay or even any of the runner-ups and competitors. I just want to know what a BALL-PARK physique would look like for someone who is natural. Why is this striking you as so far fetched?

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You’re an idiot. I really mean that. Tell me when you look like Michael Lockett. I’ll wait for you to get there.

No one has misunderstood you. You are just too slow to understand what is being said to you.

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And so i dont get accused of being mean I’ll explain why you sound like a sad little self defeating type B.

Real quick
Youre presenting an EXTREMELY hypothetical situation [the best genetics possible, ever + perfect training + time to reach max potential]

and

Are trying to apply it to an EXTREMELY individual scenario [your life]

Any analysis of that extremely hypothetical situation is only useful in a fantasy world. It has no ACTUAL bearing on you. Desiring knowledge about bodybuilding in Narnia would be just as valuable to any specific person here.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

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There are people whose natural physiques are probably better than results other people can get WITH steroids. Take somebody with good genetics who knows how to train, stays consistent, and eats right - and you will get somebody who will far surpass MANY who use steroids.
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This is really all I needed to hear…Show me some pics of BB’s that you know are natural and I’ll believe you, and as a bonus item, I’ll shut up.

[/quote]

I have a feeling you misunderstood me.

But here’s a picture of Skip La Cour… a well known natural bodybuilder.

please note: you or I will probably not wind up like him. He is levels above many a bodybuilder. Don’t take what I said the wrong way.

Just to be clear: I am saying that natural folks who have decent genetics and know how to train right, eat right, and stay consistent, will often wind up looking better than those who use steroids but do not train properly or eat right.

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…what carbiduis will supposedly look like after ten years of training.

I am thinking you had better step your game up.

Guys who can look like this don’t look like you at your stage of training.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
“Todays forecast for yor local Houston area, Mostly illiterate with a chance of stupid”…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is retarded. There are people with great genetics. There are people with genetics that suck. Why the fuck would the progress of anyone else determine YOUR progress? Someone else’s progress CAN NOT tell you about “the possibilities” FOR YOU. [/quote]
So…you mean everyone is different??? No fucking way dude…no WAY! (<—sarcasm)

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Do you even understand that much? You do not look like some genetic freak from your pictures so why would you assume that you could reach the level that a genetic freak could natural or otherwise?[/quote] Jesus, It’s like you are explaining it to yourself, but still can’t see where I’m coming from.

I’ll try one more time to explain my view here, so promise me that you’ll put a little more effort in reading this post, please?

Lets say we have THE guy with THE BEST genetics POSSIBLE, and he is and always has been natural his entire life, and he’s been lifting seriously for at least 10 years. Now, KNOWING that I don’t have those genetics, I’ll have a frame of reference for a physique that I MAY be able to APPROACH (but not arrive at) after that same amount of time of training. I’ll no longer be fooling myself into thinking that I’ll ever look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay etc.

Just imagine a guy working out balls-to-the-wall for 10yrs, staying completely natural, and wondering why he still doesn’t look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay or even any of the runner-ups and competitors. I just want to know what a BALL-PARK physique would look like for someone who is natural. Why is this striking you as so far fetched?

[/quote]

You’re an idiot. I really mean that. Tell me when you look like Michael Lockett. I’ll wait for you to get there.

No one has misunderstood you. You are just too slow to understand what is being said to you.[/quote]
You really weren’t saying much to begin with…

Miachel Lockett, See, NOW you’re contributing. Thats ALL you would’ve had to say in the first place. I am actually very suprised at him being natural, it’s really cool though. Now I can look up to HIM instead of Arnold Ronnie etc. see how that works?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
You sound like a sad little self defeating type B.
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Nothing could be further from the truth, I’m wierd and I think different, thats really all there is to it.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
“Todays forecast for yor local Houston area, Mostly illiterate with a chance of stupid”…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is retarded. There are people with great genetics. There are people with genetics that suck. Why the fuck would the progress of anyone else determine YOUR progress? Someone else’s progress CAN NOT tell you about “the possibilities” FOR YOU. [/quote]
So…you mean everyone is different??? No fucking way dude…no WAY! (<—sarcasm)

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Do you even understand that much? You do not look like some genetic freak from your pictures so why would you assume that you could reach the level that a genetic freak could natural or otherwise?[/quote] Jesus, It’s like you are explaining it to yourself, but still can’t see where I’m coming from.

I’ll try one more time to explain my view here, so promise me that you’ll put a little more effort in reading this post, please?

Lets say we have THE guy with THE BEST genetics POSSIBLE, and he is and always has been natural his entire life, and he’s been lifting seriously for at least 10 years. Now, KNOWING that I don’t have those genetics, I’ll have a frame of reference for a physique that I MAY be able to APPROACH (but not arrive at) after that same amount of time of training. I’ll no longer be fooling myself into thinking that I’ll ever look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay etc.

Just imagine a guy working out balls-to-the-wall for 10yrs, staying completely natural, and wondering why he still doesn’t look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay or even any of the runner-ups and competitors. I just want to know what a BALL-PARK physique would look like for someone who is natural. Why is this striking you as so far fetched?

[/quote]

You’re an idiot. I really mean that. Tell me when you look like Michael Lockett. I’ll wait for you to get there.

No one has misunderstood you. You are just too slow to understand what is being said to you.[/quote]
You really weren’t saying much to begin with…

Miachel Lockett, See, NOW you’re contributing. Thats ALL you would’ve had to say in the first place. I am actually very suprised at him being natural, it’s really cool though. Now I can look up to HIM instead of Arnold Ronnie etc. see how that works? [/quote]

What’s the difference. You wont look like Lockett, Ronnie, or Arnold. How bout looking up to yourself?

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Eh who gives a shit at this point.

No idea what this picture has to do with this thread.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

Miachel Lockett, See, NOW you’re contributing. Thats ALL you would’ve had to say in the first place. I am actually very suprised at him being natural, it’s really cool though. Now I can look up to HIM instead of Arnold Ronnie etc. see how that works? [/quote]

Uh, No, because you have just as much chance of looking like him as you do the others.

Some of you give steroids way too much credit…and that is not to say steroids have no effect, but without the genetics to stand above the rest to begin with, you will NOT be walking around looking like a professional bodybuilder just because you used hormones.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Eh who gives a shit at this point.

No idea what this picture has to do with this thread.

[/quote]

You confuse me sometimes with the shit you post. He quit working out. To post that here will only fuel those who really want to believe that he was only as big as he was in the first picture because he used steroids.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
“Todays forecast for yor local Houston area, Mostly illiterate with a chance of stupid”…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is retarded. There are people with great genetics. There are people with genetics that suck. Why the fuck would the progress of anyone else determine YOUR progress? Someone else’s progress CAN NOT tell you about “the possibilities” FOR YOU. [/quote]
So…you mean everyone is different??? No fucking way dude…no WAY! (<—sarcasm)

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Do you even understand that much? You do not look like some genetic freak from your pictures so why would you assume that you could reach the level that a genetic freak could natural or otherwise?[/quote] Jesus, It’s like you are explaining it to yourself, but still can’t see where I’m coming from.

I’ll try one more time to explain my view here, so promise me that you’ll put a little more effort in reading this post, please?

Lets say we have THE guy with THE BEST genetics POSSIBLE, and he is and always has been natural his entire life, and he’s been lifting seriously for at least 10 years. Now, KNOWING that I don’t have those genetics, I’ll have a frame of reference for a physique that I MAY be able to APPROACH (but not arrive at) after that same amount of time of training. I’ll no longer be fooling myself into thinking that I’ll ever look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay etc.

Just imagine a guy working out balls-to-the-wall for 10yrs, staying completely natural, and wondering why he still doesn’t look like Arnold, Ronnie, Jay or even any of the runner-ups and competitors. I just want to know what a BALL-PARK physique would look like for someone who is natural. Why is this striking you as so far fetched?

[/quote]

You’re an idiot. I really mean that. Tell me when you look like Michael Lockett. I’ll wait for you to get there.

No one has misunderstood you. You are just too slow to understand what is being said to you.[/quote]
You really weren’t saying much to begin with…

Miachel Lockett, See, NOW you’re contributing. Thats ALL you would’ve had to say in the first place. I am actually very suprised at him being natural, it’s really cool though. Now I can look up to HIM instead of Arnold Ronnie etc. see how that works? [/quote]

What’s the difference. You wont look like Lockett, Ronnie, or Arnold. How bout looking up to yourself? [/quote]
Right, of course, BUT at least I can look at Lockett and be a little* more happy with my progress than if I was looking at Arnold or whoever. Not that this is something that I am fixated on, I mostly look in the mirror/scale/weights I lift to determine my progress.

Dude, you really don’t know me enough (or at all for that matter) to even begin making comments like this. I could sit here and tell you why I am such an amazing person(for many reasons outside of training), but I’m sure you don’t want to hear it and I don’t feel like getting called concieted. Everyday is an oppurtunity to be a better person than the day before, I am constantly seeking to change myself for the better in all aspects of my life.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Eh who gives a shit at this point.

No idea what this picture has to do with this thread.

[/quote]

You confuse me sometimes with the shit you post. He quit working out. To post that here will only fuel those who really want to believe that he was only as big as he was in the first picture because he used steroids.[/quote]

Lol I know.

Sometimes I get bored and want to see the reactions of people.

Mustafa had some heath problems and doesnt lift. Steroids arent magic, if you stop using them you get normal again.

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[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

x2

There are people whose natural physiques are probably better than results other people can get WITH steroids. Take somebody with good genetics who knows how to train, stays consistent, and eats right - and you will get somebody who will far surpass MANY who use steroids.
[/quote]
This is really all I needed to hear…Show me some pics of BB’s that you know are natural and I’ll believe you, and as a bonus item, I’ll shut up.

[/quote]

I have a feeling you misunderstood me.

But here’s a picture of Skip La Cour… a well known natural bodybuilder.

please note: you or I will probably not wind up like him. He is levels above many a bodybuilder. Don’t take what I said the wrong way.

Just to be clear: I am saying that natural folks who have decent genetics and know how to train right, eat right, and stay consistent, will often wind up looking better than those who use steroids but do not train properly or eat right.[/quote]
Thank you, I appreciate it.