Arnold and gear

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
so leave the accusations and the poor understanding to those who are more trained.[/quote]So, these people are “qualified” to have poor understanding and make accusations?

If someone was “more trained” wouldn’t that mean that they have a good understanding on the subject?

Why do people get so bent out of shape about this topic of steroids? I’m still trying to figure out what a COMPLETELY natural bodybuilder (with amazing genetics and never having taken steroids in their life) would look like after ~10 yrs of training, JUST SO I KNOW what my goal can/should be (cause I don’t plan ever using them).

I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll never know cause anyone one who DOES know isn’t willing to speak.

Sorry for the poor understanding and accusations, I’m just trying to learn, really. [/quote]

I was looking for an obnoxious picture for your post, you know to make a joke about how everyone is on da roidz…

But I found this and stopped looking…

So in short, I bring nothing to the table.[/quote]

You call that “nothing”???

[/quote]

x2…million

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Beans… damn, son.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong.

[/quote]

Ummmmmm

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong.

[/quote]

Ummmmmm[/quote]

I believe hes claimed to be natural because he cant use gear due to a heart condition. But ya ummmmm

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
“roidgut” popular term in bodybuilding through the 80’s and early 90’s used to describe abdominal distension in larger bodybuilders before the widespread use of gh.

In other words, blaming abdominal distention in all forms on either “roidz” or gh is incorrect. Some people are just made that way. Some people are that way from massive amounts of drugs. Some people won’t maintain a teeny tiny waist if they are squatting 650 and benching over 500lbs…so leave the accusations and the poor understanding to those who are more trained.[/quote]

Don’t you mean leave it to the bigger and better physiques? “More trained”? How about simply “more knowledgeable”. And how does one become knowledgeable? Well, one way is discussions just like this. Cut the damn kid some slack. Accusations? You sound defensive. Are we denying Arnold used steroids? Are we denying any professional BB uses steroids? I think not, so where are the “accusations”.

At best, you nailed it with “poor understanding”. That was fair. What’s up with the rest though?[/quote]

This is just sad. I wrote that to everyone in the thread, especially the guys claiming “roid gut” didn’t exist when it did. That is what I meant by “more trained”…as in someone who has been around the game long enough to know shit like that. Why would I need to cut the kid some slack when I didn’t attack him?

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
so leave the accusations and the poor understanding to those who are more trained.[/quote]So, these people are “qualified” to have poor understanding and make accusations?

If someone was “more trained” wouldn’t that mean that they have a good understanding on the subject?

Why do people get so bent out of shape about this topic of steroids? I’m still trying to figure out what a COMPLETELY natural bodybuilder (with amazing genetics and never having taken steroids in their life) would look like after ~10 yrs of training, JUST SO I KNOW what my goal can/should be (cause I don’t plan ever using them).

I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll never know cause anyone one who DOES know isn’t willing to speak.

Sorry for the poor understanding and accusations, I’m just trying to learn, really. [/quote]

??

What is this post even saying? Is there some group on this forum hell bent on taking everything I write out of context without asking for clarification first?

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[quote]Goodfellow wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I’m still trying to figure out what a COMPLETELY natural bodybuilder (with amazing genetics and never having taken steroids in their life) would look like after ~10 yrs of training, JUST SO I KNOW what my goal can/should be (cause I don’t plan ever using them).

I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll never know cause anyone one who DOES know isn’t willing to speak.

Sorry for the poor understanding and accusations, I’m just trying to learn, really. [/quote]

I really can not understand your train of thought.

Why would you want to see what you could look like after 10 years of training, why are you seeking out potential limits?

I would always try to aim as high as I can and see where I get, and everyone elses progress is meaningless.

I mean, if someone said they could tell you everything that is going to happen in your life, would you really want to know? I wouldn’t. It’s the same concept.
[/quote]

Well said. CT’s physical progress doesn’t have anything to do with the progress of anyone else…unless he has an identical twin brother.

What would even looking at his progress have to do with what someone else can achieve? Aside from being motivation, what do some of these people get out of trying to find their limits long before they ever get close to them?

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[quote]kakno wrote:
He probably does something else as well.

Wonder what the people in Prof X’s “chest gym” think of him.[/quote]

…that I must never train anything but chest so obviously my other muscles grew magically or because of “da roidz”. I use one gym for chest only…so I have no doubt that much like Nards, they are watching what I am doing and assuming tons of shit based on half assed info.

The guy Nards is talking about could be training twice a day…or hell, maybe he is simply maintaining what he spent the last decade building (which does not require extremely heavy weights).

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Damn it, 'beans, TinEye turned up nothing for that image you posted (it really never does).

I demand sauce.

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[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong.

[/quote]

Ummmmmm[/quote]

I believe hes claimed to be natural because he cant use gear due to a heart condition. But ya ummmmm[/quote]

He’s admitted to usage in the past, took them while trying to go pro in some sport, can’t remember which.

Just a point of clarification.

Thanks for the picture, Beans.

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On the Pumping Iron DVD, he says he used to pop Dbols daily, and I am sure he was on more than that, you need the deluxe edition and there is something under the special features where Arnold answers the most frequently asked questions viewers had. He clears up a lot of shit, people don’t realize Pumping Iron was a doucdrama, stuff was fabricated to get the audiences attention and in return Arnold acts like an asshole, originally they were going to have big bad 6’5 Louie Ferrigno as the “bad guy,” but with his speech/hearing problem it wouldn’t have been good that way and Arnold stepped up to the plate.

Arnold was a champion though, my favorite BBer of all time along with Levrone and everyone was taking the same stuff, I believe you were able to get all those orals OTC. Must have been nice.

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[quote]Nards wrote:
It’s a weird thing, steroids.

There’s a whole section on the T-Nation forums devoted to it, but if you bring it up anywhere else, then you’ll get shot down unmercifully.

Observe:
There’s a guy at my gym that is massive. About 5’9" and I’d guess 230 to 240lbs. Cuts between his thighs and hams and huge traps.Probably one of the best developed people I’ve seen with my own eyes kind of thing.
Yet in 5 years I’ve never seen him do anything anywhere even near what you’d call heavy. I mean not even a 135lb bench. He’s one of those guys that’s always there, but doing some lateral raises, light leg curls ( I’m talking 30 or 40 lbs) or 15lb DB curls. Triceps extension making 70lbs look like murder. I’ve thought maybe he’s a real gym rat and he’s doing the ‘real’ work some other time and for years I’ve just been missing it and catching him when he’s just in the gym doing some finishing touches…but that’s just being too skeptical I think.

So right now we may all agree he’s a bit of a fraud. So I call steroids on this guy. Does that I mean I think “steroids” always has to used in the pejorative sense? No. I expect that pros will use them. But can’t we all agree that if some goof that works out for recreation is using them then he’s, well, a goof, without me being called a stupid fat ass that doesn’t know anything so i should keep my mouth shut?[/quote]

There are 2 guys like this at the gym I use at home. I only see them over summer/winter break, but they both have excellent physiques and lift really light weights, like max bench 135, curls with the 15s, cable lateral raises with 10 lbs. They do all their reps reallllllly slow with really good form. They are both also ex military.

I always assumed they built their physiques with heavy weight and are just maintaining it at this point.

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[quote]anonym wrote:
Damn it, 'beans, TinEye turned up nothing for that image you posted (it really never does).

I demand sauce.[/quote]

LOL, glad everyone likes it as much as I did.

http://liuding.com/blog/

Was the blog it came from, but no name listed. #47

Sorry, no sauce

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[quote]overstand wrote:

There are 2 guys like this at the gym I use at home. I only see them over summer/winter break, but they both have excellent physiques and lift really light weights, like max bench 135, curls with the 15s, cable lateral raises with 10 lbs. They do all their reps reallllllly slow with really good form. They are both also ex military.

I always assumed they built their physiques with heavy weight and are just maintaining it at this point.[/quote]

My training partner is strong as shit…but will avoid heavy weights much of the time to focus on the speed of the rep. He weighs about 250lbs right now at 5’7".

Bottom line, why the fuck wouldn’t you go speak to the guys instead of making up shit about them and then spreading it on the internet?

And yes, that was directed at Nards.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Arnold was a champion though, my favorite BBer of all time along with Levrone and everyone was taking the same stuff, I believe you were able to get all those orals OTC. Must have been nice.[/quote]

The deca/dbol cycle was the classic mass builder. Back then they would’ve had medical supervision too. Saner times.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

There are 2 guys like this at the gym I use at home. I only see them over summer/winter break, but they both have excellent physiques and lift really light weights, like max bench 135, curls with the 15s, cable lateral raises with 10 lbs. They do all their reps reallllllly slow with really good form. They are both also ex military.

I always assumed they built their physiques with heavy weight and are just maintaining it at this point.[/quote]

My training partner is strong as shit…but will avoid heavy weights much of the time to focus on the speed of the rep. He weighs about 250lbs right now at 5’7".

Bottom line, why the fuck wouldn’t you go speak to the guys instead of making up shit about them and then spreading it on the internet?

And yes, that was directed at Nards.[/quote]

First, I giggled a bit at “spreading it on the internet”.

I admitted that there could be times where he trains heavy that I may have missed over the years.

But this again begs the question of how are we seeing steroids?

If a guy takes them it’s his own choice right?

So if I say I think a guy is on them, a few guys will then jump in with a myriad of possibilities and reasons and so forth for how I could be wrong about him maybe being on steroids. That not every big guy is on them etc.

Then make up your mind, is it OK or not?

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If a bodybuilder can use AAS and use 35lbs dumbells for curls and develop 20+ inch arms I say more power to him. Virtually no risk of injury there. Id love to be able to do that. I dont care if that sounds pussy or non hardcore. Lifting heavy weights is bad ass and fun but if it wasnt necessary I wouldnt do it ALL the time.

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One more post for Bonez’s 7000th.
Just saying nd shit.

“Also uhhhh iheard roids cause bladness.”

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[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

There are 2 guys like this at the gym I use at home. I only see them over summer/winter break, but they both have excellent physiques and lift really light weights, like max bench 135, curls with the 15s, cable lateral raises with 10 lbs. They do all their reps reallllllly slow with really good form. They are both also ex military.

I always assumed they built their physiques with heavy weight and are just maintaining it at this point.[/quote]

My training partner is strong as shit…but will avoid heavy weights much of the time to focus on the speed of the rep. He weighs about 250lbs right now at 5’7".

Bottom line, why the fuck wouldn’t you go speak to the guys instead of making up shit about them and then spreading it on the internet?

And yes, that was directed at Nards.[/quote]

First, I giggled a bit at “spreading it on the internet”.

I admitted that there could be times where he trains heavy that I may have missed over the years.

But this again begs the question of how are we seeing steroids?

If a guy takes them it’s his own choice right?

So if I say I think a guy is on them, a few guys will then jump in with a myriad of possibilities and reasons and so forth for how I could be wrong about him maybe being on steroids. That not every big guy is on them etc.

Then make up your mind, is it OK or not?

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I’m confused by what you are writing. What do you mean by, “how are we seeing steroids”? You are assuming all kinds of shit about another lifter that you don’t even know based on limited contact and looking at him from across the gym. Hell, remember, you thought 25" quads were big so we all have to take you at your word that this guy even looks like he uses steroids or ever has. That is one huge leap to make.

What do you mean by, “is it ok”? It isn’t your business to start with so why would you worry if it is ok? Ok for whom?

I personally wouldn’t write what you did without KNOWING the lifter in question. there is no way in hell I am going to assume I know all about someone else’s training from looking at them across the gym. That makes no sense.

Guys like you are the type who see me warm up with a light weight on biceps and run out the gym telling other people that I never go heavy…or the guys at one gym who never see me train legs so they assume they must not get trained since their eyes didn’t see it.

Why the fuck would a serious weight lifter not ASK THE PERSON IN QUESTION if they were really concerned about HOW they lift and why they use that approach?

Do you even realize the sense you are not making?