I heard he was gelling at age 1, as soon as he had a full head of hair.
It’s a weird thing, steroids.
There’s a whole section on the T-Nation forums devoted to it, but if you bring it up anywhere else, then you’ll get shot down unmercifully.
Observe:
There’s a guy at my gym that is massive. About 5’9" and I’d guess 230 to 240lbs. Cuts between his thighs and hams and huge traps.Probably one of the best developed people I’ve seen with my own eyes kind of thing.
Yet in 5 years I’ve never seen him do anything anywhere even near what you’d call heavy. I mean not even a 135lb bench. He’s one of those guys that’s always there, but doing some lateral raises, light leg curls ( I’m talking 30 or 40 lbs) or 15lb DB curls. Triceps extension making 70lbs look like murder. I’ve thought maybe he’s a real gym rat and he’s doing the ‘real’ work some other time and for years I’ve just been missing it and catching him when he’s just in the gym doing some finishing touches…but that’s just being too skeptical I think.
So right now we may all agree he’s a bit of a fraud. So I call steroids on this guy. Does that I mean I think “steroids” always has to used in the pejorative sense? No. I expect that pros will use them. But can’t we all agree that if some goof that works out for recreation is using them then he’s, well, a goof, without me being called a stupid fat ass that doesn’t know anything so i should keep my mouth shut?
[quote]Nards wrote:
It’s a weird thing, steroids.
There’s a whole section on the T-Nation forums devoted to it, but if you bring it up anywhere else, then you’ll get shot down unmercifully.
Observe:
There’s a guy at my gym that is massive. About 5’9" and I’d guess 230 to 240lbs. Cuts between his thighs and hams and huge traps.Probably one of the best developed people I’ve seen with my own eyes kind of thing.
Yet in 5 years I’ve never seen him do anything anywhere even near what you’d call heavy. I mean not even a 135lb bench. He’s one of those guys that’s always there, but doing some lateral raises, light leg curls ( I’m talking 30 or 40 lbs) or 15lb DB curls. Triceps extension making 70lbs look like murder. I’ve thought maybe he’s a real gym rat and he’s doing the ‘real’ work some other time and for years I’ve just been missing it and catching him when he’s just in the gym doing some finishing touches…but that’s just being too skeptical I think.
So right now we may all agree he’s a bit of a fraud. So I call steroids on this guy. Does that I mean I think “steroids” always has to used in the pejorative sense? No. I expect that pros will use them. But can’t we all agree that if some goof that works out for recreation is using them then he’s, well, a goof, without me being called a stupid fat ass that doesn’t know anything so i should keep my mouth shut?[/quote]
I’m still trying to figure out what point you are trying to make. When you figure it out, re-post something that at least APPEARS to be going somewhere.
^^I dont think you get to that level of development (5’9" 240 and all ripped up) by using AAS and benching 100lbs.
I think thats impossible. (I know some people will say ‘nothings’ impossible but I still think that is)
You’re not gonna get that huge by curling 15lb dumbbells even if you are on AAS (unless its some insane new form of steroids that hasnt been released yet)
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I dont think you get to that level of development (5’9" 240 and all ripped up) by using AAS and benching 100lbs.
I think thats impossible. (I know some people will say ‘nothings’ impossible but I still think that is)
You’re not gonna get that huge by curling 15lb dumbbells even if you are on AAS (unless its some insane new form of steroids that hasnt been released yet)[/quote]
Maybe the guys does this for a living?
i think Arnold’s mum was injectin steds direct into the umbilical cord when he was still in the womb…
[quote]Nards wrote:
So right now we may all agree he’s a bit of a fraud. So I call steroids on this guy. Does that I mean I think “steroids” always has to used in the pejorative sense? No. I expect that pros will use them. But can’t we all agree that if some goof that works out for recreation is using them then he’s, well, a goof, without me being called a stupid fat ass that doesn’t know anything so i should keep my mouth shut?[/quote]
I can’t agree with that, sorry.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I dont think you get to that level of development (5’9" 240 and all ripped up) by using AAS and benching 100lbs.
I think thats impossible. (I know some people will say ‘nothings’ impossible but I still think that is)
You’re not gonna get that huge by curling 15lb dumbbells even if you are on AAS (unless its some insane new form of steroids that hasnt been released yet)[/quote]
You’re right, that’s why I’m quite surprised at this guy. I know you still have to work very hard, but this guy is just terrible.
Anyway, I now I’m not making myself very clear. It’s Friday night and 'round these parts it’s whiskey night.
He probably does something else as well.
Wonder what the people in Prof X’s “chest gym” think of him.
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I dont think you get to that level of development (5’9" 240 and all ripped up) by using AAS and benching 100lbs.
I think thats impossible. (I know some people will say ‘nothings’ impossible but I still think that is)
You’re not gonna get that huge by curling 15lb dumbbells even if you are on AAS (unless its some insane new form of steroids that hasnt been released yet)[/quote]
You’re right, that’s why I’m quite surprised at this guy. I know you still have to work very hard, but this guy is just terrible.
Anyway, I now I’m not making myself very clear. It’s Friday night and 'round these parts it’s whiskey night.[/quote]
This got skipped, maybe he does this for a living Nards.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
“roidgut” popular term in bodybuilding through the 80’s and early 90’s used to describe abdominal distension in larger bodybuilders before the widespread use of gh.
In other words, blaming abdominal distention in all forms on either “roidz” or gh is incorrect. Some people are just made that way. Some people are that way from massive amounts of drugs. Some people won’t maintain a teeny tiny waist if they are squatting 650 and benching over 500lbs…so leave the accusations and the poor understanding to those who are more trained.[/quote]
Don’t you mean leave it to the bigger and better physiques? “More trained”? How about simply “more knowledgeable”. And how does one become knowledgeable? Well, one way is discussions just like this. Cut the damn kid some slack. Accusations? You sound defensive. Are we denying Arnold used steroids? Are we denying any professional BB uses steroids? I think not, so where are the “accusations”.
At best, you nailed it with “poor understanding”. That was fair. What’s up with the rest though?
I guess some people need a huge e-peen to feel good about themselves. Thanks for the info guys. Didn’t mean to start a steroid war or anything, just curious about Arnies early days.
[quote]Ragana wrote:
I guess some people need a huge e-peen to feel good about themselves. Thanks for the info guys. Didn’t mean to start a steroid war or anything, just curious about Arnies early days. [/quote]
Every thread eventually turns into an e-peen measurefest. Welcome to T-Nation
[quote]Professor X wrote:
so leave the accusations and the poor understanding to those who are more trained.[/quote]So, these people are “qualified” to have poor understanding and make accusations?
If someone was “more trained” wouldn’t that mean that they have a good understanding on the subject?
Why do people get so bent out of shape about this topic of steroids? I’m still trying to figure out what a COMPLETELY natural bodybuilder (with amazing genetics and never having taken steroids in their life) would look like after ~10 yrs of training, JUST SO I KNOW what my goal can/should be (cause I don’t plan ever using them).
I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll never know cause anyone one who DOES know isn’t willing to speak.
Sorry for the poor understanding and accusations, I’m just trying to learn, really.
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Ragana wrote:
I guess some people need a huge e-peen to feel good about themselves. Thanks for the info guys. Didn’t mean to start a steroid war or anything, just curious about Arnies early days. [/quote]
Every thread eventually turns into an e-peen measurefest. Welcome teh internetz[/quote]
Fixed
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
so leave the accusations and the poor understanding to those who are more trained.[/quote]So, these people are “qualified” to have poor understanding and make accusations?
If someone was “more trained” wouldn’t that mean that they have a good understanding on the subject?
Why do people get so bent out of shape about this topic of steroids? I’m still trying to figure out what a COMPLETELY natural bodybuilder (with amazing genetics and never having taken steroids in their life) would look like after ~10 yrs of training, JUST SO I KNOW what my goal can/should be (cause I don’t plan ever using them).
I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll never know cause anyone one who DOES know isn’t willing to speak.
Sorry for the poor understanding and accusations, I’m just trying to learn, really. [/quote]
I was looking for an obnoxious picture for your post, you know to make a joke about how everyone is on da roidz…
But I found this and stopped looking…
So in short, I bring nothing to the table.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I’m still trying to figure out what a COMPLETELY natural bodybuilder (with amazing genetics and never having taken steroids in their life) would look like after ~10 yrs of training, JUST SO I KNOW what my goal can/should be (cause I don’t plan ever using them).
I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll never know cause anyone one who DOES know isn’t willing to speak.
Sorry for the poor understanding and accusations, I’m just trying to learn, really. [/quote]
I really can not understand your train of thought.
Why would you want to see what you could look like after 10 years of training, why are you seeking out potential limits?
I would always try to aim as high as I can and see where I get, and everyone elses progress is meaningless.
I mean, if someone said they could tell you everything that is going to happen in your life, would you really want to know? I wouldn’t. It’s the same concept.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
so leave the accusations and the poor understanding to those who are more trained.[/quote]So, these people are “qualified” to have poor understanding and make accusations?
If someone was “more trained” wouldn’t that mean that they have a good understanding on the subject?
Why do people get so bent out of shape about this topic of steroids? I’m still trying to figure out what a COMPLETELY natural bodybuilder (with amazing genetics and never having taken steroids in their life) would look like after ~10 yrs of training, JUST SO I KNOW what my goal can/should be (cause I don’t plan ever using them).
I look at Christian Thibaudeau and think that his body is the maximum potential (and probably with some amazing genetics) for someone who is staying natural…maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll never know cause anyone one who DOES know isn’t willing to speak.
Sorry for the poor understanding and accusations, I’m just trying to learn, really. [/quote]
I was looking for an obnoxious picture for your post, you know to make a joke about how everyone is on da roidz…
But I found this and stopped looking…
So in short, I bring nothing to the table.[/quote]
You call that “nothing”???
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
I mean, if someone said they could tell you everything that is going to happen in your life, would you really want to know?
[/quote]
that depends on if what they said was going to be super awesome or not.
what if he said “well you didnt invest in this company you were thinking about called _______________ and you missed out on billions of dollars.”
Then I go back and invest… bam! Wish i knew
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Ragana wrote:
I guess some people need a huge e-peen to feel good about themselves. Thanks for the info guys. Didn’t mean to start a steroid war or anything, just curious about Arnies early days. [/quote]
Every thread eventually turns into an e-peen measurefest. Welcome teh internetz[/quote]
Fixed[/quote]
Good point.
By good point I mean “nice penis”.
By "nice penis I mean “good penis”.
So good penis to you too.