Are People Here Not Trying Very Hard?

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[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
The only thing funny here is how worked up everyone gets. Whether he is telling the truth, lying or whatever you want to believe, who cares, no need to let it affect you like that.

Once you learn to focus on yourself and not care about what everyone else is doing, and other peoples opinions, you will have the starting point at becoming very successful in all walks of life.[/quote]

Yeh but there is nothing worse than being accused of lying… when you are actually telling the TRUTH.

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People can call me cocky and arrogant but one thing I stay true to is not being a liar. So if someone wants to insinuate I am lying about something my attitude towards them is a simple “fuck you.” And then we move on, I am not going to let someones bull shit affect me in anyway. I am secure with myself and with what I can do, yeah I’ll show you what I am saying is true, but I’ll do it on my own time and if I don’t know you, your opinion really doesn’t matter to me at all…

But I digress, it is always nice to shut the haters up…

I live by the motto, “those who can’t, will say YOU can’t” and those people can fuck themselves because I will be successful in whatever I choose to pursue.

I think the only issue here was your original post was a diss to certain individuals (I didn’t take it that way, but I didn’t really care either way), hard work isn’t always about what you lift or how big you are. It’s about busting ass and making progress. There will be people that will never bench 405, but hey they got 350 and added 300 pounds to their overall bench, that’s hard work and dedication, and that’s respectable because although I can bench more than that, I haven’t put 300 pounds onto my bench press since I started lifting, so to say they haven’t worked as hard as me is ridiculous.

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[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]NoWheyOut wrote:
looks like you need to strip 3 inches of fat off those arms…[/quote]

Agreed. You’re so proud about your 18 inch arms that are covered in bacon. Listen, if you were to drop down to a level of leanness which allowed you to display even a degree of muscularity, your arms would most likely be around 14-15 inches from the looks of it.[/quote]

That was my sentiment exactly.

I see fat bitches at BK with 18" arms, big fucking deal.[/quote]

Just looked at your profile and credit to you that you have a decent base… and look good. – altho you are 3 years older than me.

As for me it’s just as well then that withthin the next year I guarantee that I will have over 20" and maybe 21" arms…

I’m going to get so big and strong, that by the time the day comes that I need to cut, I will be in NO DOUBT, that I will have an amazing physique under there for the time the fat needs to come off.

You can do things your way, and try and stay lean and slowly work up, and not be able to take advantage of the benefits of increased weight ---- growth of structure, bone, e.t.c to accomodate for the extra weight, increased strength from better leverages and shorter ROM e.t.c not to mention enjoyment of eating food…

and I will do things my way.

And maybe in another 3 years we can check on how we are both doing?

I can guarantee to you all in this thread that I will have arms over 20" within the next year
I WILL bench press over 400lbs within the next year
I WILL deadlift over 650lbs within the next year
I WILL Squat over 600lbs within the next year

so that will be by 31/10/2011 and you are all welcome to hold me to those things…

Best of luck man… we will see which approach is best in a few years.
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You are aware of course that you may just be starting off from a better strength level than most people, but then may possibly hit your limit quickly right? Might want to reel in that ego a bit. Sure some people were rubbed the wrong way by your thread, simply because you did come across as an arrogant jerk. If you have indeed only been training as long as you claim, then there may not have been much actual ‘progress’, merely a display of your natural strength levels. The videos seem to support your claimed lifting stats, but unless you can actually produce physical evidence of progress, no one in a bodybuilding forum will be very impressed. Keep the ego in check a bit. Chi-Town has certainly walked the walk, and you might want to try more than a couple of steps yourself before you start making such bold statements.

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Could be… but could also be that my limit is much further off and higher than most people…?? Who says there has to be a limit though anyway? Why even mention it, i’ve only just started training… it’s obviously not going to be anytime soon.

Also, you look great… and clearly have followed a very different route to get to where you are than I will be, which might be why you don’t like what i’ve written. But IMHO the guys who seem to bulk up huge ala X, and get freaky strong, are the ones who end up with an ultimately “denser” look, - than the guys who follow the more traditional bb route like you do, when they do diet down, because of the factors related to attaining that higher weight which i’ve already mentioned.

Also i’m not going to start any bb-style training until i’ve got my strength levels to a point where I can be hitting really good big weights in the 8-12 rep ranges. No point pumping up with light weight.

but… at the same time as per the poster above, whilst he looks good shirtless, I have quite a lot of skinny friends who look like that, doesn’t mean they are that good at lifting or that big, or even that they look like anything other than skinny people in clothes… having “teh ripped abz” is really not that hard. I could probably eat nothing for the next two months then go on the ratemyphysique section on here and get more compliments than I would now, but i’d have actually taken about 1million steps backwards.

I bet i’ve got more lbm already than the guy who attacked me for my burger king arms already does. Just got the tape measure out and if I really flex hard tapes already hitting nearly 18 and a quarter… maybe I can get 20’s in a few months? Scales already up to 229lbs this morning, my actual fat level also feels like it’s DECREASING, even though it hasn’t been obvious in photos… maybe it’s because i’ve increased my muscle mass in the last two months?

Thanks anyway. Time for me to go to the gym now, maybe get some more vids, and set some more pr’s this morning.
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First, thanks for the comment Stu. OP, honestly, I hope at 230 you have more lean body mass than I do. I’d be interested to see how much you have, maybe you can do some measurements.

I compete at 176 lbs and come in around 4% bodyfat; in the off-season I weigh near 200 and have 183 lbs lean body mass.

Clearly, you’re approaching the iron game from a strength perspective. That’s great, however, my goals are symmetry, size, and definition. Two different animals entirely, you have some ambitious goals for the next year. I’d be interested in following your training log, maybe a year from now you can talk shit to noobs for not working hard. You certainly have some work put in before you reach that status.

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You know your head is getting too big when UNofficial letters of apology arent sufficient.

…kids these days

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[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

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[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:
Dude, there’s a guy around here (BugeishaAD) who has some of the shittiest arm genetics ever (sorry, I still luv you,) and his arms are fucking big. But you know what? They LOOK like they’re big.

…because they’re actually big. As in MUSCLEs big.

I’m really not trying to be too much of a dick, but maybe the OP should worry less about what others are doing and a little more about his own journey.[/quote]

Lol, yes my arms ARE 18" but look nowhere near it… anyway i’ve put myself out there now, so i’ve got to prove the people who keep saying my lifts are bullshit wrong. I’m at home now… so the only one I can justify right now is dumbell curling the 64lb dumbells for 8-10 reps…

I actually hit 15 reps a minute ago, but kept getting the camera angle wrong, so the one i filmed I only ended up with 6 or something. -

with hammer curls I can do over 30 reps each arm with the 30kg – 64 pound dumbells.

I will prove as many of the other lifts as possible wrong tomorrow… I will be in the gym in the morning.

But even though my arms look smaller than they are… they still do measure 18" and I CAN nearly curl the 100pound dumbells for one rep. [/quote]

Wow, how about a zero on intelligence… for the rep lie and/or the cam set up. Why not check your set up one rep at a time and then post this mighty (fake) vid?[/quote]

Oh for the love of god I thought this stuff might end by now… OK I WILL do it again when I can be arsed… and not only WILL I GET 15… I WILL ALSO WALK ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE CAMERA… turn THE DUMBELL IN MY HAND SO YOU CAN SEE IT IS 66lbs – 30kg and THEN without leaving view of the camera ONCE do it…

this stupidity is astounding…

lol… dayummm

I reckon that someone will have a pop at you on here unless you look like Ronnie Coleman, and deadlift 50000000000lbs

and even then they’d say : “well if I took as much juice as you”
or
“if you used better form” e.t.c e.t.c

I mean… i’m JUST A BEGGINER… nothing more…
later.[/quote]
I find it somewhat amusing that you can shoot your mouth off calling the whole world out for either not trying hard enough or aiming to low in their goal setting(because we all have to be like you?). You catch some heat, predictably, and get a bit sensitive about it.
Once you saw the response, and you’ve admittedly been reading the site for 2 mos., why not make sure the vids are good ones? I could care less if you juice or not… follow your path and hit your goals. None of that involves being so self-absorbed as to call out the forums for not sharing your thought process. If you look back, most posters take issue with your attitude. Seeing a trend? We could all be wrong, but it would be wise to at least consider that you’re a little over the line in a few posts. You readily admit that Stu has more knowledge and that you can learn from him, but then start talking out the other side of your mouth and call him jealous of you. That’s just not well thought out.
Don’t post a thing for my benefit, because I don’t think that will get either of us anywhere. You’re right, you can post whatever til your blue in the face and you’ll get nothing more than 30000+ posts, which I hear leads to bitterness. I assume your goals do not involve posting in large numbers on this or any other site while attempting to right the world’s wrongs.[/quote]

I HAVE NOT said ANY of those things. I think some people should actually go back and read everything that I have said from start to finish. I have actually said nothing but positive things about stu… even though he hasn’t done the same about me… re-read the thread… anyway i’ve already done it now…

admittedly it’s 7 or 8 SHIT reps with 66lbs but point is at least you can see the dumbell doesn’t get “switched” or whatever the other guy intimated. I hadn’t hit 15 before but as I said Ihave hit 12+ remember i’ve already done a grueling 100 rep forearm workout this morning and I was relaxing winding down for the evening it’s tough to just switch on like that. But still it’s 7 shit slightly swinging reps… but tbh a bit of swinging is fair enough when you are db curling 60+ Imho.[/quote]

NOW WHERES THE GUY WHO SAID THEY WERE SWITCHED AND IT WAS FAKED? WHERE IS THAT GUY?

I’m pissed off… i’m going all night till I hit 12 + reps on this then i’m marching in the gym in the morning… then i’m doing a 520 + deadlift BOOM

Then I will walk over to the squat rack and do a 400 front squat BOOOM

THen I will do 15 Pullups BOOM

Then some of you can write me an official letter of apology.[/quote]

Don’t worry about the jealous hata’s. I mean… jealous hata’s are gonna jealous hate… what else can you say about it. I would however like to to point out that saying people who don’t have your lifts after two months are not trying hard is blatantly ignorant. Granted, there are plenty on this site who are barely trying but not everyone is as blessed as you regarding your initial strength levels. Don’t worry about what others think you can do, just do it for yourself. You’re not going to get far if you’re doing this just to show-off and don’t have any intrinsic motivation.

My first max bench press was 105 at a skinny-fat 145lbs. It took me several months to get it up to just 185. Over 3 years later (last tested late summer), I have a touch and go 285. I can tell you straight up that I’ve put a lot of effort and time into getting that and encountered several setbacks along the way (school stress, job stress, rotator cuff issues, elbow tendonitus, groin strain, and the list goes on). There are other people who have not had your talent and poured effort and time into this like I did and I feel that’s a large part of the hate you’re experiencing here. Damned straight there are going to people offended by your statement that just people someone doesn’t lift x amount of weight in x amount of time then they must be lazy in regard to weightlifting. To be honest, I’m slightly offended but the offense is largely mitigated by knowing that you’ve barely started and you’re very young.

And sincerely, happy lifting and good luck whatever your goals may be (bb, pl, oly, etc).

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Are you going to keep a strength training log here on TN?

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BOOM!!!

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Boy am I glad I came across this thread on a day where I had nothing to do. If I were the OP I woulda dragged out the hatefest a little longer just to really have it stick in people’s craw when the videos went up.

Also, OP, it would really be a shame if you ended up hurting yourself by pushing too much too quickly just trying to get videos to appease the haters. Don’t let the criticisms dictate what you’re doing in the gym. Get vids of your lifts when they’re part of your training, don’t throw off your schedule just to try to get everything up.

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Lol i think its laughable how this fatfuck decided to come onto a BODYBUILDING forum to brag about his lifts, and not the powerlifting or oly lifting forums. I could understand if you had a huge, dense and ripped looking physique after two months of training and wanted to show it off, but what exactly is the point in showing up in a forum and calling out people whos goals have nothing to do with strength training? Fact of the matter is strenght building genetics do not equal muscle building genetics. Just because your naturally strong doesn’t mean shit when it comes to bodybuilding, a sport where size AND LEANESS count for anything.

And judging from the way you look it seems like you have more of a endo-meso body type (going by what you said of gaining 20 lbs in two months) which means your gonna have a bitch of a time getting lean when the time comes, while keeping all the mass you gain. You can be huge and strong but that doesn’t make you a bodybuilder, especially if your one light jog away from a heart attack like that guy MegaNewb. Your genetics are limited to powerlifting and nothing more, so don’t kid yourself thinking your going to look anything like stu or even better then that.

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OP, you’ve obviously got both ambition as well as some talent for strength, at the very least you’re off to a great start. I think you shouldn’t worry so much about proving yourself to people you don’t know. Try to find a decent powerlifting gym or just a gym with a lot of strong people, training with a group of people that are stronger and more experienced than you will probably do a lot of good for you regardless of whether your goal is bodybuilding or strength sports. Then just keep training hard for a long time and by then no one will be able to question you.

By all means, keep posting training videos because that’s always nice, but do it because you want to and not because you feel you have to prove yourself. If you truly are a big talent then you might eventually become enough of a freak that you’ll have nothing to prove anyway.

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[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]Am14g08 wrote:

[quote]whatever2k wrote:
Horrible ROM on those hack squats. if your 400 lbs front squat and 450 lbs squat look anything like that, then you really cant claim those lifts. everyone can quarter squat a ton of weight and claim they squat alot and that is pathetic. [/quote]

No THEY DONT look anything like that… you will be relieved to know… and actually that Hack Squat WAS to parralel though.

I will show you a 400lb front squat with perfect depth.

I look forward to proving someone wrong again.[/quote]

Just so we’re all on the same page here, you realize that “parallel” means that the crease of the hip and top of the knee are parallel to the floor (platform if we’re talking about leg press or machine hack squat). Right? Most people think that a 90 degree angle at the knee=parallel, which is way off and as a result claim a “parallel” depth squat, even though they are actually quite a bit higher than that.

Obviously we couldn’t see the first couple reps of your hack squat, but the ones that we could see looked well above “parallel”. Of course, it could just be a bad camera angle.

These would be “parallel” hack squat reps.

I’d suggest trying to get someone else to film your reps from a side angle and seeing for yourself if you are indeed hitting parallel.

This is pretty much the depth that you should be shooting for on squats:

Gotta give your credit for your strength as a beginner. If you keep working on your form and lifting and eating right you could probably have a future in powerlifting.
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Thanks for that man… I think my depth should be pretty good on the front squats though b/c when I started doing them I started doing them from a dead position… so I was starting at the bottom under the bar with the bar resting on the pins… when the weight got to over 125kilos I had to then take it from the top.
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Nice job. If you were starting at parallel that’s really good strength for you level of experience.

Try adjusting your feet placement while doing the hacks.

Since your spine is in a fixed linear plane of motion and your but can’t travel backwards as it normally would (due to the pad) you can’t place your feet as far underneath you (at least I can’t) without your lower back rounding at the bottom.

But, I’ve found that if you play around with where you place your feet on the platform (try moving them further “up” the platform, bringing them “in or out”) you can go lower without too much lower back rounding.

Watch your lower back, squatting and deadlifting that often (especially if your deadlifting form looks like the video you posted) can really wreak havoc on it. You don’t want to injure yourself trying to go to fast at the start. You seem to have good innate strength levels, but you really should focus on maximizing your lifting technique at this point IMO. If you don’t you may wind up injuring yourself, or never really reaching your potential.

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[quote]WWEAttitude wrote:
Lol i think its laughable how this fatfuck decided to come onto a BODYBUILDING forum to brag about his lifts, and not the powerlifting or oly lifting forums. I could understand if you had a huge, dense and ripped looking physique after two months of training and wanted to show it off, but what exactly is the point in showing up in a forum and calling out people whos goals have nothing to do with strength training? Fact of the matter is strenght building genetics do not equal muscle building genetics. Just because your naturally strong doesn’t mean shit when it comes to bodybuilding, a sport where size AND LEANESS count for anything.

And judging from the way you look it seems like you have more of a endo-meso body type (going by what you said of gaining 20 lbs in two months) which means your gonna have a bitch of a time getting lean when the time comes, while keeping all the mass you gain. You can be huge and strong but that doesn’t make you a bodybuilder, especially if your one light jog away from a heart attack like that guy MegaNewb. Your genetics are limited to powerlifting and nothing more, so don’t kid yourself thinking your going to look anything like stu or even better then that.[/quote]

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Flame war. Everyone wins internet points.

OP, stop responding if you are tired of people calling you out. Do your work, make your gains, and leave it at that.

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I really recommend taking up one of those guys on their offer to train together - even if it’s just one or two sessions, training with someone who’s serious about powerlifting can really improve your form and pre-lift setup. I got a chance to train at a powerlifting gym for a week when I was on holidays (I normally lift at a good comercial gym) and even though I had to lower my weights to get my form and setup better I am now significantly improved.

Of course, I’m just a lurker, so take my advice how you will. :wink:

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[quote]The Sletchman wrote:
I really recommend taking up one of those guys on their offer to train together - even if it’s just one or two sessions, training with someone who’s serious about powerlifting can really improve your form and pre-lift setup. I got a chance to train at a powerlifting gym for a week when I was on holidays (I normally lift at a good comercial gym) and even though I had to lower my weights to get my form and setup better I am now significantly improved.

Of course, I’m just a lurker, so take my advice how you will. ;)[/quote]

QFT
The best thing that happened for me for my form on the big 3 was working out with a powerlifting club for a few weeks at my former college.

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[quote]WWEAttitude wrote:
Lol i think its laughable how this fatfuck decided to come onto a BODYBUILDING forum to brag about his lifts, and not the powerlifting or oly lifting forums. I could understand if you had a huge, dense and ripped looking physique after two months of training and wanted to show it off, but what exactly is the point in showing up in a forum and calling out people whos goals have nothing to do with strength training? Fact of the matter is strenght building genetics do not equal muscle building genetics. Just because your naturally strong doesn’t mean shit when it comes to bodybuilding, a sport where size AND LEANESS count for anything.

And judging from the way you look it seems like you have more of a endo-meso body type (going by what you said of gaining 20 lbs in two months) which means your gonna have a bitch of a time getting lean when the time comes, while keeping all the mass you gain. You can be huge and strong but that doesn’t make you a bodybuilder, especially if your one light jog away from a heart attack like that guy MegaNewb. Your genetics are limited to powerlifting and nothing more, so don’t kid yourself thinking your going to look anything like stu or even better then that.[/quote]

lulz @ your tarded ginger ass getting off by meeting chris jericho or watever

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Seriously… are you all done blowing this guy?

Is it possible that I’m the only one here who gets the joke? Let me break it down;

This guy has been training for 4 or 5 years. He’s either f-ing with you or pumping his ego for what he has accomplished. Hell, he’s as much as smirking at your ignorance in every picture he posts… it couldn’t be more obvious.

There is of course the chance that I’m wrong, but my guess is that this is a well-played troll for which he has been laughing his ass off for the past few days.

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His form doesn’t look like someone who’s been training that long. It definitely looks very beginnerish.