Are Bodypart Splits Useless?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

Speaking scientifically and logically however, it only takes 1 to disprove the “law” that splits are the only realy way to train.

You are clearly the last person that needs to be speaking on “science”.

Oh, and get back to how much progress you know I’ve made. I want to know.[/quote]

My job happens to be science. You are pretty much an anonymous poster. You keep your profile private refuse to post any stats though you ask others to, and you often talk down about the progress of others when you know nothing about them. Your ego is the only information I have about you, which I made a joke about. If you are bigger and stronger than the strongest man in the world, then I apologize.

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[quote]trextacy wrote:
you (Prof X) have trained and eaten your ass off for what, 10 years, and still aren’t where you want to be and by all accounts are carrying more bodyfat than you would “ideally” like.[/quote]

I think Prof X is a big fatty.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You are pretty much an anonymous poster. You keep your profile private refuse to post any stats though you ask others to, and you often talk down about the progress of others when you know nothing about them. Your ego is the only information I have about you, which I made a joke about. If you are bigger and stronger than the strongest man in the world, then I apologize.[/quote]

It’s fun and exciting to be the new guy isn’t it?

This has been gone over I don’t know, 1,000 times?

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[quote]rwhaan wrote:
The real question in total body vs split is what movements are you doing. The majority of total body training programs include the big compound movements which lead to strength and size gains. They are also often left out of the typical gym members split training, The big movements take work and produce results. If you want to get stronger or bigger you have to squat deadlift, press, bent over rows, pull ups and challenge your self each time you lift. Split training will work if you have a pressing day, pulling day and squating day and keep the little stuff to a minimum but when the big stuff is left out results are decreased. Westside training was brought up as an example of split training when it is really total body training- they drag sleds and do dumbbell pressing 3-4 times a week. Bench press specialists do some rowing 3-4 times a week. [/quote]

Again, another pointless argument. Of course splits suck if you dont the big movers and just concentrate on curls. Thats not the argument. The argument is whether splits are more effective than TBT when everything else (nutrition etc) is optimal.

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Bruce Wihelm (from way back) oly lifter

Geoff Capes was a shot putter

Mark philipi my favorite I believe comes from a football background.

I think kevin knee played football

I can’t remember the name of the more recent oly lifter, but he dominated the log press for weight.

Edit: I can’t get on the site and look up bios at work.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

Speaking scientifically and logically however, it only takes 1 to disprove the “law” that splits are the only realy way to train.

You are clearly the last person that needs to be speaking on “science”.

Oh, and get back to how much progress you know I’ve made. I want to know.

My job happens to be science. You are pretty much an anonymous poster. You keep your profile private refuse to post any stats though you ask others to, and you often talk down about the progress of others when you know nothing about them. Your ego is the only information I have about you, which I made a joke about. If you are bigger and stronger than the strongest man in the world, then I apologize.[/quote]

My profile is private NOW because when it is open it gets read more than anyone else here and I don’t really want my pics spread all over the internet. Most here have seen what I look like…at least as far as May '07 because that is the last pic in my profile. I’m not new here like you seem to believe.

You keep talking about my ego. I’m a big guy who is well educated. What should my ego be like?

I keep my profile private because discussions like this would not be taking place if you knew beforehand that you weren’t talking to some weakling who doesn’t lift.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Everyone who uses TBT post your stats.

Then, everyone who trained with splits post their’s.

We can clear this up real quick. [/quote]

Raises Hand

Oooo…Ooooo…Mr. Kotter!!

Splits - for most of the 20 years I’ve been training. I used TBT for about 8 weeks when I first started lifting - a friend wrote out a little program for me, but I quickly progressed to splits, and have put on virtually all of my LBM with them.

Stats and pics are in the profile.

And maybe it’s just that I’ve never seen a good picture of the guy, but Waterbury looks pretty small to me…

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Bruce Wihelm (from way back) oly lifter

Geoff Capes was a shot putter

Mark philipi my favorite I believe comes from a football background.

I think kevin knee played football

I can’t remember the name of the more recent oly lifter, but he dominated the log press for weight.[/quote]

I could’ve predicted ALL those names!

So answer my question, how many of the really big strongmen (if not ALL) got that way by training TBT and ignoring split training for thier training carrers?

At most a FEW. Not a winning proposition on your part.

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Just plain wrong.

Regardless if 10 people find splits dont work for them, it doesnt mean its still not the most efficient method for most people to train with.

And like I said already, unless you’ve exhausted all other reasons why a split hasnt worked, then you’re stupid.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

Speaking scientifically and logically however, it only takes 1 to disprove the “law” that splits are the only realy way to train.

You are clearly the last person that needs to be speaking on “science”.

Oh, and get back to how much progress you know I’ve made. I want to know.

My job happens to be science. You are pretty much an anonymous poster. You keep your profile private refuse to post any stats though you ask others to, and you often talk down about the progress of others when you know nothing about them. Your ego is the only information I have about you, which I made a joke about. If you are bigger and stronger than the strongest man in the world, then I apologize.

My profile is private NOW because when it is open it gets read more than anyone else here and I don’t really want my pics spread all over the internet. Most here have seen what I look like…at least as far as May '07 because that is the last pic in my profile. I’m not new here like you seem to believe.

You keep talking about my ego. I’m a big guy who is well educated. What should my ego be like?

I keep my profile private because discussions like this would not be taking place if you knew beforehand that you weren’t talking to some weakling who doesn’t lift.[/quote]

I don’t believe that you are small, new, or weak, just an ass. I just don’t get why so many people bow and kiss your ass. Being big is no reason for treating people like infants.

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[quote]Neebone wrote:
So why would you bust your ass with TBT if you’re able to when split would prove more efficient? That makes little sense.[/quote]
As I said, if your schedule only allows two weight training sessions each week, total body training will be superior to a split. But if your schedule allows for a split program, then it would be preferred.

Because your available schedule doesn’t allow it. As I said, there’s ideal plans, realistic plans, and compromises. I think you’re getting overly focused on the ideal plan. I’m just pointing out that situations do occur when somebody who wants to build muscle would need to train full-body workouts, and they’d still see results.

You lost me on the CBR thing, but regardless, you didn’t help your case any. If we’re talking “efficient use of time”, then total body wins.

Can you give me an example of a bodypart split that requires no more than two one-hour sessions each week? Even an upper/lower split, in that situation, won’t be consistent enough to see significant results.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Where the heck did the idea come from you can’t get big and strong from TBT? Virtually all strongmen do it. Not the best for body building but TBT does not equal small or weak.[/quote]

Remember that strongmen are training for what is essentially a full-body workout competition.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

Speaking scientifically and logically however, it only takes 1 to disprove the “law” that splits are the only realy way to train.

You are clearly the last person that needs to be speaking on “science”.

Oh, and get back to how much progress you know I’ve made. I want to know.

My job happens to be science. You are pretty much an anonymous poster. You keep your profile private refuse to post any stats though you ask others to, and you often talk down about the progress of others when you know nothing about them. Your ego is the only information I have about you, which I made a joke about. If you are bigger and stronger than the strongest man in the world, then I apologize.

My profile is private NOW because when it is open it gets read more than anyone else here and I don’t really want my pics spread all over the internet. Most here have seen what I look like…at least as far as May '07 because that is the last pic in my profile. I’m not new here like you seem to believe.

You keep talking about my ego. I’m a big guy who is well educated. What should my ego be like?

I keep my profile private because discussions like this would not be taking place if you knew beforehand that you weren’t talking to some weakling who doesn’t lift.

I don’t believe that you are small, new, or weak, just an ass. I just don’t get why so many people bow and kiss your ass. Being big is no reason for treating people like infants.[/quote]

I haven’t treated you like an infant. I’ve treated you like someone who is clueless about science (that “one exception disproves the rule for the majority” quip was fucking pathetic for a “man of science” like yourself) and who doesn’t seem to know much about what really works best for most people in the gym.

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[quote]derek wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Bruce Wihelm (from way back) oly lifter

Geoff Capes was a shot putter

Mark philipi my favorite I believe comes from a football background.

I think kevin knee played football

I can’t remember the name of the more recent oly lifter, but he dominated the log press for weight.

I could’ve predicted ALL those names!

So answer my question, how many of the really big strongmen (if not ALL) got that way by training TBT and ignoring split training for thier training carrers?

At most a FEW. Not a winning proposition on your part.

[/quote]

By that logic you have to throw everyone out of your splits list who ever did TBT.

There it’s not like strongmen got big and strong doing one thing and then gave it up to do training they couldn’t make gains with, that makes no sense. the guys doing TBT still get bigger and stronger every year. If I could get on a site and check bios I could make that list a lot longer. As for training history of every workout everyone has ever done, I can’t say. I just know what they all do now and what seems to work for them.

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[quote]
Can you give me an example of a bodypart split that requires no more than two one-hour sessions each week? Even an upper/lower split, in that situation, won’t be consistent enough to see significant results.[/quote]

Huh? You wont get huge lifting just twice a week on any program. Are we talking about bodybuilding or ‘staying in shape’.

Excuse me if I’ve missed the point of this thread.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

Speaking scientifically and logically however, it only takes 1 to disprove the “law” that splits are the only realy way to train.

You are clearly the last person that needs to be speaking on “science”.

Oh, and get back to how much progress you know I’ve made. I want to know.

My job happens to be science. You are pretty much an anonymous poster. You keep your profile private refuse to post any stats though you ask others to, and you often talk down about the progress of others when you know nothing about them. Your ego is the only information I have about you, which I made a joke about. If you are bigger and stronger than the strongest man in the world, then I apologize.

My profile is private NOW because when it is open it gets read more than anyone else here and I don’t really want my pics spread all over the internet. Most here have seen what I look like…at least as far as May '07 because that is the last pic in my profile. I’m not new here like you seem to believe.

You keep talking about my ego. I’m a big guy who is well educated. What should my ego be like?

I keep my profile private because discussions like this would not be taking place if you knew beforehand that you weren’t talking to some weakling who doesn’t lift.

I don’t believe that you are small, new, or weak, just an ass. I just don’t get why so many people bow and kiss your ass. Being big is no reason for treating people like infants.[/quote]

He carries more LBM than any of the golden era guys and has been a very vocal poster on here since… forever?

So we are kissing his ass if we incidentally have the same opinion on splits vs tbt ?
Has it ever occurred to you that you are arguing against pretty much every huge guy on this site ?

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If there is an exception to the rule then it is a suggestion, not a rule. If you can prove that there is a single massed substance that disobeys gravity, then gravity isn’t true, that�??s why proofs in science and even simple math are so hard. My point is that there are people out there that TBT works very well for and to blindly say everyone should switch to splits is not true. Like saying everyone should take creatine when there are people that it does absolutely nothing for.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

Speaking scientifically and logically however, it only takes 1 to disprove the “law” that splits are the only realy way to train.

You are clearly the last person that needs to be speaking on “science”.

Oh, and get back to how much progress you know I’ve made. I want to know.

My job happens to be science. You are pretty much an anonymous poster. You keep your profile private refuse to post any stats though you ask others to, and you often talk down about the progress of others when you know nothing about them. Your ego is the only information I have about you, which I made a joke about. If you are bigger and stronger than the strongest man in the world, then I apologize.

My profile is private NOW because when it is open it gets read more than anyone else here and I don’t really want my pics spread all over the internet. Most here have seen what I look like…at least as far as May '07 because that is the last pic in my profile. I’m not new here like you seem to believe.

You keep talking about my ego. I’m a big guy who is well educated. What should my ego be like?

I keep my profile private because discussions like this would not be taking place if you knew beforehand that you weren’t talking to some weakling who doesn’t lift.

I don’t believe that you are small, new, or weak, just an ass. I just don’t get why so many people bow and kiss your ass. Being big is no reason for treating people like infants.

He carries more LBM than any of the golden era guys and has been a very vocal poster on here since… forever?

So we are kissing his ass if we incidentally have the same opinion on splits vs tbt ?
Has it ever occurred to you that you are arguing against pretty much every huge guy on this site ?

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I think there are people that agree with me too, though I could be wrong. Wasn’t the prof nominated for a t-award for getting his ass kissed?

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DoubleDuce…more like DoubleDouche.

LOL @ ur gheyness.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If there is an exception to the rule then it is a suggestion, not a rule. If you can prove that there is a single massed substance that disobeys gravity, then gravity isn’t true, that�??s why proofs in science and even simple math are so hard. My point is that there are people out there that TBT works very well for and to blindly say everyone should switch to splits is not true. Like saying everyone should take creatine when there are people that it does absolutely nothing for.[/quote]

Science isn’t about “rules”. It is about observing and recording facts about our surroundings and ourselves in order to reach a deeper truth. In recording those facts, what happens to the majority becomes the “standard” or the norm. There will no doubt be biological entities that exist outside of the norm, but science does not ignore what happens to the majority.

Meanwhile, you claim to work in ‘science’ yet don’t seem to know this.

That means if we observe what happens to most people, we can say that it makes sense to follow what MOST have seen success with as that will be most likely to produce success in the individual as well.

What you all are doing is NOT science. It is sour grapes.