[quote]Alquemist wrote:
Splits are the best.[/quote]
I for one choose not to do splits, because I’m not very flexible and I don’t want a groin strain.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Alquemist wrote:
Splits are the best.
I for one choose not to do splits, because I’m not very flexible and I don’t want a groin strain.[/quote]
Ronnie can do splits and you can’t, haha!
#Edit: well, at least he used to be able to, dunno if he still can.
Damn, I forgot:
Arnold S.
Lou Ferrigno
Sergio Oliva (the idea that he used TBT must have been made up by some true fan of TBT)
The Chemist
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Alquemist wrote:
Splits are the best.
I for one choose not to do splits, because I’m not very flexible and I don’t want a groin strain.[/quote]
I was referring to banana splits, sorry if I wasn’t clear.
I just remember someone earlier here saying that banana splits are bad, and I just couldn’t understand that.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Alquemist wrote:
Splits are the best.
I for one choose not to do splits, because I’m not very flexible and I don’t want a groin strain.
Ronnie can do splits and you can’t, haha!
#Edit: well, at least he used to be able to, dunno if he still can.[/quote]
I don’t think there is much more impressive and mind warping than seeing someone who weighs a ripped 300lbs do a full split on stage.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Damn, I forgot:
Arnold S.
Lou Ferrigno
Sergio Oliva (the idea that he used TBT must have been made up by some true fan of TBT)
The Chemist[/quote]
Also this guy (I think).
As long as I don’t see his junk, I think that would be cool.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Damn, I forgot:
Arnold S.
Lou Ferrigno
Sergio Oliva (the idea that he used TBT must have been made up by some true fan of TBT)
The Chemist[/quote]
Haha, I was going to put em in there but you beat me to it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Alquemist wrote:
Splits are the best.
I for one choose not to do splits, because I’m not very flexible and I don’t want a groin strain.
Ronnie can do splits and you can’t, haha!
#Edit: well, at least he used to be able to, dunno if he still can.
I don’t think there is much more impressive and mind warping than seeing someone who weighs a ripped 300lbs do a full split on stage.[/quote]
Yep, that sure was a moment…
That one vid of Charles Glass doing this weird hand-stand thing (not an actual hand-stand, I don’t know what it’s called…) was pretty damn impressive, too…
It’s there:
Check 0.56s !
COME ON!!! We need a list of HUGE bodybuilders who used TBT to build the majority of their size. Can we start with just ONE name?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
what an annoying thread this has turned out to be. So many people are so one-sided they’re insulting people as if that proves their point. Grow up.
TBT works for many people. Is it the best for someone who’s advanced? Probably not…or else they’d probably be doing it. but it can still be great for beginners/intermediates. So can splits. Damn…
What’s annoying is that most of the people in favor of TBT are not using logic behind there posts. They ignore real world results, and can not give adequate proof that it is very effective except for a couple of random exceptions.
I could make a list takeing up pages of people who have successfully used a split to build a great physique. Could you do the same for TBT? This isn’t about what works and what doesn’t because obviously lifting something will give you results, however, this is about what works best.
List of people who use splits and reached heavyweight status:
Toney Freeman
Gustavo Badell
Phil Heath
Silvio Samuel
Desmond Miller
Troy Alves
Johnnie Jackson
Eddie Abbew
Khalid Almohsinawi
Ray Arde
Paul Baker
Troy Brown
Rodney Davis
Omar Deckard
Alfonso del Rio
Moe Elmoussawi
Deshaun Grimez
David Henry
Rusty Jeffers
King Kamali
Vincent Liu
JoJo Ntiforo
Sergey Ogorodnikov
Gian Enrico Pica
Armin Scholz
Jimmy Canyon
Ken Jones
Will Harris
Mehmet Yildirim
Dragan Paunovic
Neset Icl
Chris Cormier
Kenny (Flex) Wheeler
Dexter Jackson
Gunter Schlierkamp
Darrem Charles
Dennis James
Claude Groulx
Anthony (Wolf) Williams
Charles Kemp
Dave Fisher
Ahmad Haidar
Jocelyn Pelletier
Bob Weatherall
Jostein Oedegaarden
Ntuk Ntuk
Mark Lampard
Sylvester Solomon
Fauzi Hanst
Rod Ketchens
Milton Holloway, Jr.
Kenny (Flex) Wheeler
Darrem Charles
Aaron Baker
Patrick Lynn
Renel Janvier
Dennis Newman
Daryl Stafford
Kevin O’Grady
Ronnie Coleman
Grant Clemensha
Michio Grubbs
Roland Kickinger
Jeffrey Long
Greg Kovacs
Mohamed El Makkawy
Ken Jones
Alessandro Komadina
B.J. Johns
Max Shamayo
Kenny (Flex) Wheeler
Lee Priest
Ronnie Coleman
Aaron Baker
Paul Dillett
Alq’ Gurley
Patrick Lynn
Eddie Robinson
Henderson Thorne
Bruce Patterson
Ian Harrison
Gunter Schlierkamp
Roland Kickinger
Jeffrey Long
Fauzi Hanst
Mohamed El Makkawy
Joe Spinello
B.J. Johns
Max Shamayo
Shawn Ray
Mike Ashley
Vince Comerford
Gary Strydom
J. J. Marsh
Nimrod King
Steve Brisbois
Tony Pearson
Pavol Jablonicky
Harry Dinger
The list of people who got HUGE doing TBT specifically:
Insert here.[/quote]
Please remove all of the above who (a) used steriods or (b) did not build a base of muscle with either full body or upper lower or (c) did not build strength/muscle using a Starr (or similiar) 5x5 program (which is FB, 3 days per week).
You keep arguing a point that NO ONE is making. It has been conceded that for advanced lifters (particularly those with assistance), splits are king.
LOL at supposedly the greatest program any newbie should be on NOT being able to produce a list of people who saw even greater results using it than those who used split routines…which are clearly the worst choice unless you can bench 600lbs.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
COME ON!!! We need a list of HUGE bodybuilders who used TBT to build the majority of their size. Can we start with just ONE name?[/quote]
Sure takes them some time, I think this proves that tbt also makes you slow 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
COME ON!!! We need a list of HUGE bodybuilders who used TBT to build the majority of their size. Can we start with just ONE name?[/quote]
IF YOU REALLY, REALLY THINK THAT THE MASS MONSTERS AND HEAVYWEIGHTS SIZE WAS BUILT “PRIMARILY” BECAUSE THE TRAINED INTENSLY WITH SPLITS, THEN YOU ARE NAIVE.
Professor- listen to me. I’m being dead serious. I get the impression that you think you are going to blast the shit out of your muscles, eat until your stomach is distended.
Finish up your 12 year “bulk” and that someday, somehow, you will have the physique like one of the “HUGE” (as you say) professional IFBB heavyweight bodybuilders WITHOUT GETTING ON GEAR OF SOME SORT. Unless you have Vic Richards’ genetics (he had help too) it will not happen.
If it hasn’t happened already, it won’t happen.
How old are you now?
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here. People are actually, citing every roided up mass monster in support of their position without acknowledging that roids play a part in about 40-50 lbs (minimum) of these guys lbm.
When you take that away, they compare favorably to the so-called golden age guys who trained full body and found that frequency hedged recovery and allowed more growth. It’s a wash! But, because splits are “particularly effective” when recovery isn’t an issue, the presence of roids pushes these guys in the direction of splits for max gains.
This isn’t hard people.
LOL! 14 pages!
Are Bodypart Splits Useless? No
This is the dumbest question ever. If you want hard, real-world evidence that splits work, look no further than Joe Defranco. Go to his site, watch the videos, look at the way they train. This is all split training! Upper days, lower days, reptition days, dynamic days, etc etc.
west side for skinny bastards is basically:
Chest/back
OFF
Quads/hams
OFF
Shoulders/Arms
This shit works, and works well. Upon closer examination, this is like a beginner bodybuilding split routine.
Now if you look at someone more advanced, they start lifting heavier and heavier, do more sets/exercises, and slowly it graduates into this kind of split:
Chest
Back
Quads/Hams
Arms
Shoulders/Traps
OFF
OFF
(repeat)
Or even
Chest
Back
Quads
Hams
Arms
Shoulders/Traps
OFF
On his latest update, after doing the WS4SB routine, you move onto something that is about the same, just “SPLIT” up into another day.
[quote]trextacy wrote:
Please remove all of the above who (a) used steriods [/quote]
Why? Steroids don’t make a program that isn’t very effective somehow most effective. We already covered that steroids should lead to TBT being the best if this is as simple as “training a muscle more often leads to more growth”.
So again, why leave out every bodybuilder who ever used steroids? That’s retarded. They are the best in the world. Why would you avoid looking at what they did to build all of that?
If we don’t look at the best, who the fuck should we look at? You?
[quote]
or (b) did not build a base of muscle with either full body or upper lower or (c) did not build strength/muscle using a Starr (or similiar) 5x5 program (which is FB, 3 days per week).[/quote]
I’m sorry, but which if these guys built most of their muscle using a “full body routine”?
…and it has been told to you many times over that you do not need to be advanced to see optimal progress using splits.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Please remove all of the above who (a) used steriods
Why? Steroids don’t make a program that isn’t very effective somehow most effective. We already covered that steroids should lead to TBT being the best if this is as simple training a muscle more often leads to more growth.
So again, why leave out every bodybuilder who ever used steroids? That’s retarded.
or (b) did not build a base of muscle with either full body or upper lower or (c) did not build strength/muscle using a Starr (or similiar) 5x5 program (which is FB, 3 days per week).
I’m sorry, but which if these guys built most of their muscle using a “full body routine”?
[/quote] AND WHY THE HELL DISCOUNT UPPER/LOWER ? THIS IS A FORM OF SPLIT ROUTINE. [quote]
You keep arguing a point that NO ONE is making. It has been conceded that for advanced lifters (particularly those with assistance), splits are king.
…and it has been told to you many times over that you do not need to be advanced to see optimal progress using splits. [/quote]
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Please remove all of the above who (a) used steriods
Why? Steroids don’t make a program that isn’t very effective somehow most effective. We already covered that steroids should lead to TBT being the best if this is as simple training a muscle more often leads to more growth.
So again, why leave out every bodybuilder who ever used steroids? That’s retarded.
or (b) did not build a base of muscle with either full body or upper lower or (c) did not build strength/muscle using a Starr (or similiar) 5x5 program (which is FB, 3 days per week).
I’m sorry, but which if these guys built most of their muscle using a “full body routine”?
AND WHY THE HELL DISCOUNT UPPER/LOWER ? THIS IS A FORM OF SPLIT ROUTINE.
You keep arguing a point that NO ONE is making. It has been conceded that for advanced lifters (particularly those with assistance), splits are king.
…and it has been told to you many times over that you do not need to be advanced to see optimal progress using splits.
[/quote]
As has been repeated before, this discussion is comparing traditional BB-style splits and full body. The argument to “train like IFBB heavyweight BBers” only makes any sense if that’s what is being discussed. You can’t have it both ways.
As I’ve said before, a natural progression would be Full body → upper/lower-> push, pull legs. Professor X’s position is that it is plainly obvious that anyone and everyone (natural or not) should jump into a 3-6 day split right off the bat, and that it’s the patently optimum approach because advanced pro bbers currently train that way.
[quote]trextacy wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Please remove all of the above who (a) used steriods
Why? Steroids don’t make a program that isn’t very effective somehow most effective. We already covered that steroids should lead to TBT being the best if this is as simple training a muscle more often leads to more growth.
So again, why leave out every bodybuilder who ever used steroids? That’s retarded.
or (b) did not build a base of muscle with either full body or upper lower or (c) did not build strength/muscle using a Starr (or similiar) 5x5 program (which is FB, 3 days per week).
I’m sorry, but which if these guys built most of their muscle using a “full body routine”?
AND WHY THE HELL DISCOUNT UPPER/LOWER ? THIS IS A FORM OF SPLIT ROUTINE.
You keep arguing a point that NO ONE is making. It has been conceded that for advanced lifters (particularly those with assistance), splits are king.
…and it has been told to you many times over that you do not need to be advanced to see optimal progress using splits.
As has been repeated before, this discussion is comparing traditional BB-style splits and full body. The argument to “train like IFBB heavyweight BBers” only makes any sense if that’s what is being discussed. You can’t have it both ways.
As I’ve said before, a natural progression would be Full body → upper/lower-> push, pull legs. Professor X’s position is that it is plainly obvious that anyone and everyone (natural or not) should jump into a 3-6 day split right off the bat, and that it’s the patently optimum approach because advanced pro bbers currently train that way.
[/quote]
Gee, that way worked just fine for the last 60 years or more so why do you think it suddenly stopped working?
In fact, I will go as far as to say that if you are actually so weak and genetically inept that you NEED to do TBT just to get ready to train heavy, you simply do not have the genetics to go very far in terms of building muscle mass and should leave the discussion of such things ON BODYBUILDING FORUMS to people who actually plan on standing out in a crowd.
Bodybuilding is NOT for everyone.
This has to be the only activity that attracts people who are NOT good at it and then has to deal with them telling those who are better at it that they are all doing it wrong.
[quote]ab_power wrote:
LOL! 14 pages!
Are Bodypart Splits Useless? No
This is the dumbest question ever. If you want hard, real-world evidence that splits work, look no further than Joe Defranco. Go to his site, watch the videos, look at the way they train. This is all split training! Upper days, lower days, reptition days, dynamic days, etc etc.
west side for skinny bastards is basically:
Chest/back
OFF
Quads/hams
OFF
Shoulders/Arms
This shit works, and works well. Upon closer examination, this is like a beginner bodybuilding split routine.
Now if you look at someone more advanced, they start lifting heavier and heavier, do more sets/exercises, and slowly it graduates into this kind of split:
Chest
Back
Quads/Hams
Arms
Shoulders/Traps
OFF
OFF
(repeat)
Or even
Chest
Back
Quads
Hams
Arms
Shoulders/Traps
OFF
On his latest update, after doing the WS4SB routine, you move onto something that is about the same, just “SPLIT” up into another day.
[/quote]
Look at today’s artical about Reg parker…
Here is his advanced work out…a TBT hybrid…I bet if he had the same drugs available to him he would be right were the Ronnie’s are today
Monday
Hyperextensions 3x10 (one minute breaks)
Barbell military press 5x5
Weighted pull-ups 5x5
Barbell squat 5x5
Romanian deadlift 5x5
Barbell curl 2x5
Close-grip bench press 2x5
Calf raise 3x12
Wednesday
Hyperextensions 3x10 (one minute breaks)
Bench press 5x5
Barbell bent-over row 5x5
Power clean 5x3
Barbell deadlift 5x5
Dumbbell curl 2x5
Weighted dip 2x5
Calf Raise 3x12
Friday
Hyperextensions 3x10 (one minute breaks)
Dumbbell clean and press 5x5
Weighted pull-up 5x5
Barbell squat 5x5
Dumbbell lunge 5x5
Barbell curl 2x5
Close-grip bench press 2x5
Calf raise 3x12