Anyone Believe in Cross-Training?

Training Powerlifting
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NP,

I think the people you are talking about would be considered fitness enthusiasts- people who like to stay active and crave variety. These people aren’t specialists. Their goals are probably like- aerobic capacity, heart rate, blood pressure, doing 10 strict pullups, good balance, flexibilty etc.

The crossfit mentality is to get “the athlete” in great “shape”- like able to climb a rock wall, run a 5K, do cheating/kipping pullups, row a boat,perform an overhead squat,swim a mile,etc.

Essentially, not being great at any one thing but good at many. The crossfit style appeals to service people,cops, firemen, etc- people who’s jobs require a wide range of physical demands. they need to be ready for anything- specialization wont cut it. For ex) I doubt every serious bodybuilder can pass a fireman or navy seal test without having other skills/abilities besides muscle/strength.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
…after I mentioned that the average non-athlete is better off training for appearance than performance.
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And how the fuck did you come to this conclusion???

You figured you would share it with the Strength Sports’ guys and we’ll say:
“Well, he’s right, I’m no Randy Moss or Christian Cantwell, why squat, I’ll knock myself out with curls and leg extensions”

You must already know that most of the people here don’t care about bosu balls or “The 5 Minute MMA Training Program”.

I can’t understand why you can’t accept that different people have different priorities.
Go loco with lateral raises, I don’t give a damn, just don’t act like your theory is the be all - end all of training. And especially STRENGTH training.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:

This is my physique.

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I see that you’re familiar with the leg extension machine than a bar on your back.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:

This is my physique.

I see that you’re familiar with the leg extension machine than a bar on your back.[/quote]

Is that really his body or was that a joke?

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:

This is my physique.

I see that you’re familiar with the leg extension machine than a bar on your back.[/quote]

Well, judging by the fact that I actually have visible definition and separation between all my leg muscles, you’re right - I’m pretty well acquainted with the leg extension and the leg press sled. I never had this definition when I did squats on a regular basis.

Speaking of legs, I have found 70 lbs. on the sled to be far more effective than 225 lbs. on the squat for hypertrophy.

I think my legs are completely proportional to my upper body. In fact, my entire physique is proportional - a hallmark of bodybuilder-style training.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
So would I, B3. I would never put a competitive athlete on a bodybuilding routine.

I understand better than most trainers that performance and appearance exist at opposite ends of the spectrum.

There is a very popular gimmick in the fitness industry which is marketed as, “lose weight/get toned/stronger while doing some form of creative training”.

It’s usually a load of BS involving circuits, bosu balls, ropes and bands (not the powerlifting type), aerobic steps, and what-not.

See, plain old weight training, whether it’s strength training or bodybuilding, just isn’t good enough for the clueless masses. It’s not fun. They want to do martial arts, or wrestling, or stability ball training, or specialized athletic drills, because those things are “fun”.

Bodybuilders want to break down the body into individual muscle groups and train each one separately from the rest.

Athletes need to think in terms of movements and use the entire body as a functional unit.

The training for each is about as different as you can get. And so will be the results.

The non-martial arts guys fooling around in their “kickboxing fitness” classes needn’t worry about which types of results they are going to obtain, because they’re not going to be getting any in the first place.[/quote]

In response, blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah, blahblahblah.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
In fact, my entire physique is proportional - a hallmark of bodybuilder-style training.[/quote]

man sorry to tell u this but i think u look more like a lingerie model rather than a bodybuilder. whats ur weight height status?

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Both types of training have essential roles. Cross training is more useful in the offseason phase, or during time where general qualities of fitness are more important. Cross training may be a useful way to add volume to your workouts, but avoid specific exercises which may be causing injury/stress. For instance, lets say in distance running. In my offseason, I have been increasing my workload such that I am running 70 miles per week, but my shinsplints are starting to creep back up on me. So instead of increasing my weekly mileage more, I start swimming, while also keeping my weekly mileage the same, thereby increasing training volume, but not exacerbating injury.

beef

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:

This is my physique.

I see that you’re familiar with the leg extension machine than a bar on your back.

Well, judging by the fact that I actually have visible definition and separation between all my leg muscles, you’re right - I’m pretty well acquainted with the leg extension and the leg press sled. I never had this definition when I did squats on a regular basis.

Speaking of legs, I have found 70 lbs. on the sled to be far more effective than 225 lbs. on the squat for hypertrophy.

I think my legs are completely proportional to my upper body. In fact, my entire physique is proportional - a hallmark of bodybuilder-style training.[/quote]

Wait, you have seperation and definition not because of diet? You have no quad sweep to speak of, or really anything else. Your back seems to be out of balance, since it looks like you have size there. I’m starting to think your calves are as big as your thighs.

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If that is what “bodybuilding” solely through isolation and exhaustion creates, thank goodness I train like a man.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:

This is my physique.

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whoops, you look breakable

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
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Now you’re definitely trolling.[/quote]

He has been from the start.

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[quote]B3 wrote:

This is the STRENGTH SPORTS forum.

Why are you babbling on about about hypertrophy? Take your act to the bodybuilding boards.

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He is not wanted there either.

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[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:

This is my physique.

whoops, you look breakable[/quote]

What the fuck is that?

Pathetic.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:

This is my physique.

I see that you’re familiar with the leg extension machine than a bar on your back.

Well, judging by the fact that I actually have visible definition and separation between all my leg muscles, you’re right - I’m pretty well acquainted with the leg extension and the leg press sled. I never had this definition when I did squats on a regular basis.

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Did you use weight when you squatted?

Apparently not.

225 is a beginner weight. The fact that you even posted it as if was worth anything shows you are totally out of your element.

Both are skinny.

And scrawny

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  • a hallmark of bodybuilder-style training.[/quote]

So is muscle, but you clearly lack it.

You need to get off the internet put some real weight on the bar and start to eat.

It is too bad they don’t have a tribunal function in this forum because it clear you trolling, as usual.

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“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig”

-Robert Heinlein

Except here the pig enjoys it.

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[quote]JoeG254 wrote:
“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig”

-Robert Heinlein

Except here the pig enjoys it.[/quote]

Squeal like a pig, boy.

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His teeth sure is perty.

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I agree with Nominal. I weigh 60kg and I just want big guns. The average person is better off training for big guns than squatting. I tried curling in the squat rack but this worked my forearms too much. The law of specifity says that if I just push my biceps up with my thumb they will eventually stay there. This is what I tell my clients.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
You need to get off the internet put some real weight on the bar and start to eat.[/quote]

On a calorie-per-lb. basis, I eat as much or more than most 250 lb. athletes.

24kcals/lb. Do the math. You do not need to know how much I weigh.