It’s the only way he can be right.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
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A lot of you have to learn the difference between gaining weight due to diet and gaining weight due to hypertrophy. When your weight stays exactly the same yet your measurements increase, that’s hypertrophy.
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lol
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
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If you think your legs are better than mine then post your leg size divided by your weight:height ratio. That is how you determine who is relatively “better”. Mine is 10.29. My legs sure aren’t large, but then, I don’t weigh very much, so my ratio could well turn out to be equal or higher than yours.
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double lol.
I have to hand it to you, you are one of the best trolls on this website.
Nominal Prospect how old are you?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
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If you think your legs are better than mine then post your leg size divided by your weight:height ratio. That is how you determine who is relatively “better”. Mine is 10.29. My legs sure aren’t large, but then, I don’t weigh very much, so my ratio could well turn out to be equal or higher than yours.
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double lol.
I have to hand it to you, you are one of the best trolls on this website.[/quote]
Thanks, but I’d never devote this much energy and time to posting something that I didn’t believe with every fiber of my being. I cannot understand why people “troll” on the net, in the first place. For me, the net is just about the only place where I can express my true character. Social norms prevent me from doing that in real life.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Nominal Prospect how old are you?[/quote]
Take a guess.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
You have to get big to move big weight, eh? I think this man would disagree.
Dabaya 5x200 kg front squat - YouTube [/quote]
He doesn’t lift weights, he throws them, relying on momentum. Olympic Lifting stands in a category by itself. Guys like him would not fair well on conventional lifts. I looked him up and he has skinny arms.
[quote]Smith K wrote:
Lol this whole thread, and arguement remind me off a saying my grandmother always used to use, " Don’t argue with an idiot… he’ll bring you down to his level, and beat you with experience."[/quote]
What do you mean, “an idiot”? There at at least a dozen of them posting here right now.
[quote]AndyG wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
"It’s not a good idea to debate physics with me.
You’ve got the least idea about physics of anyone I’ve ever met. “Can increase mass without weight” is the stupidest idea I’ve heard in my life space cadet.
Are you trying to rewrite the laws of the universe as well as weight training?[/quote]
You’re not adding mass, you’re redistributing it, moron. I wrote that before.
[quote]DragnCarry wrote:
It constantly amuses me how people who would never take an attitude with you in person would pretend to be the tough-guy genius on-line.[/quote]
I am not “pretending to be tough”. I think that anyone who does so on the net is an idiot. I am simply voicing my opinion, as that is what this forum is intended for. You better believe I would do EXACTLY the same thing if you were standing in front of me at this moment. I wouldn’t really give a shit how big you are. I am around big guys all the time. It doesn’t phase me. In general, I’m fairly polite to everyone I meet, whether they’re large or small. If you’re ever in Boston, let me know.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
I could find dozens of jacked as hell powerlifters, but you can too. And I’m not wasteing my time on it.[/quote]
There are very few PLers under 15% that I’ve seen, which hardly qualifies as “jacked as hell”, by pro bodybuilding standards.
By the way, posted on the front page of T-Nation today:
http://www.T-Nation.com/article/bodybuilding/want_biceps_stop_wasting_your_time
Again and again, my ideas are echoed and vindicated by contributors to this website.
Anybody who has ever done a bodybuilding routine and hasn’t gotten results was obviously lacking sufficient intensity. Most people have no idea what “training to failure” really is. I’ll say this much: Most machines have about 30 different weight settings on them. Use each and every one of them, starting from the heaviest. When you do that, on a regular basis, you will get a taste of what true intensity is, and then you will never again doubt the power of an isolation/exhaustion routine.
You need to train to failure in order to succeed. Very few people do, even among self-professed “bodybuilders”.
[quote]But most guys figure they’ll go on a biceps-heavy program and painstakingly add a 1/4 inch or 1/2 inch over the course of six months.
Here’s my question to you:
Why take 6 months to do it when you could do the same thing in 2 freakin’ weeks?[/quote]
1/4 to 1/2 an inch in two weeks? He is obviously talking about fluid hypertrophy. That’s why he goes on to mention the pump in the next paragraph.
FLUID HYPERTROPHY.
What have I been talking about this entire thread?
Who’s right?
Who knows what they’re talking about?
Who has T-Nation contributors backing up his argument?
I do. That’s who.
Not only can you add 1/2 an inch in two weeks or less, but you can do it without gaining a pound. I know because I’ve done it.
There are very few PLers under 15% that I’ve seen, which hardly qualifies as “jacked as hell”, by pro bodybuilding standards.
weight classes. If you’ve rarely seen jacked powerlifters, it’s because you clearly aren’t in that subculture. THey are there, and they aren’t that uncommon.
Yet another article backs me up. I’ve cited about a dozen references. My opponents haven’t cited any.
[quote]To quote “George Halbert”…
“About 4-5 years ago I was training close-grip low pin presses overhead against the rack with Arnold Classic winner Mike Francois. The bar was loaded to 315 which I proceeded to do one. Mike struggled to do one then proceeded to blast out about 8 more reps and I swear-every rep he did seemed to get easier and his muscles blew up like a balloon right in front of my eyes. I then loaded the bar to 350 and did one rep and mike tried and failed to do one. Why? My muscles were trained to lift maximal effort lifts and his muscles were trained to grow maximal size. Body builders train for the pump, power lifters train for maximum lifts. Most of my training is singles or speed work neither of which builds much muscle size but both build a great deal of strength”. [/quote]
This article also dispells the myth that absolute strength in the 1RM always translates into good performance in the 5RM and higher rep ranges.
In reality, the way that a 1RM taxes the body is not even remotely close to the way that a 10RM taxes the body.
The best way to get to get strong in a certain weight range is to train in that very weight range. NOT to train above that range and hope for some “carryover” effect. It DOESN’T work. If your work requires you to be able to lift 225, then you should be training with poundages close to that in the gym. Don’t train with 500. It’s NOT the same. You will NOT get nearly as much carryover as you think because there are vastly different energy systems at play in each case. The whole physiology is radically different. How different? As different as a pro bodybuilder versus a pro powerlifter.
That is why I wote earlier something to the effect of, “In theory, a powerlifter with an 800 lb. squat should be able to do 20 rep squats with 400 lb. In practice, he’d keel over before he reached 15”. Strength won’t be his limiting factor; aerobic capacity will.
I am not against powerlifting or free weights. I am simply against using these methods for hypertrophy, because other methods have PROVEN to be better for this purpose.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
I am not against powerlifting or free weights. I am simply against using these methods for hypertrophy, because other methods have PROVEN to be better for this purpose. [/quote]
Free weights are great for hypertrophy. Don’t even spew that bullshit. Lower reps WILL build muscle, just not as well as a moderate rep scheme (7-12 reps).
PLEASE end this so I stop getting emails from T-Nation letting me know that someone has responded to a subscribed topic.
Honestly, everything that can be said has been said. Believe what you want, train how you want, as long as people are getting the results that they want…who cares?
GO BLUE! Thank goodness college football is almost here.
[quote]bretcharles wrote:
PLEASE end this so I stop getting emails from T-Nation letting me know that someone has responded to a subscribed topic.
Honestly, everything that can be said has been said. Believe what you want, train how you want, as long as people are getting the results that they want…who cares?
GO BLUE! Thank goodness college football is almost here. [/quote]
Fine. You’re right. I won’t make another post here.
I hope that somebody learned something.
Bye.
Wow… dude, you’re a troll.
2ndly, re-read Zatsiorsky V.M., W. Kraemer (2006) Science and Practice of Strength Training (2nd edition). Champaign, IL: Human Kinetics
That whole thing about recruiting and fatiguing apply to all loads. Apply WHATEVER mode you enjoy training in, lather, rinse, repeat- you get a short and long term training effect.
Dieting and recovery are the 2nd and 3rd side to the triangle.
And finally, DON’T BE A DOUCHEBAG TROLL- the middle way is always enjoyable.