[quote]tom63 wrote:
Oh, they’re federation standards. I just can’t wrap my mind around class one totals being called elite. In the 80s when the adfpa, now usapl was using classification standards we used tfe standard uspf totals. National qualifying totals were around master/elite totals, depending on division. Masters and teenager were lower. Jr national and men’s national were master/elite level.
Yes we used gear. But you’re talking 50 lbs or so squat , no bench shirts until mid late 80s and then it was ten pounds on the inzer blast . No deadlift suits at first either . It wasn’t enough to give you a class jump in assistance .
Example . 148 had master at 1279. Class one was around 1120-1130. Elite was around 1380. I’m sure about the master total , others are estimates . These were also drug tested .
I’m not trying to be difficult. I’m just trying to give some historical perspective. To understand strength you need to be a student of it’s history . [/quote]
Those standards have been adopted by the USAPL, the AAU, and 100% Raw. I agree they are a little low historically but as you said gear was a part of it and a bigger part of it was the other “gear” ie steroids. I know you said you thought the old ones were drug tested but I don’t believe that is accurate, at least not with the reliability of the feds that test today (which could still be better). These totals are meant to apply to lifetime drug free lifters that lift in pretty strict organizations regarding squat depth, paused bench, etc. If you look at the number of lifters nationally that achieve Elite status with those standards it is pretty low, often 10 or less a year according to the rankings on PLwatch.com, although it is easier for the heavier guys to do it. For example at 148 the highest raw drug tested total was 1212 in 2010 (a USAPL lifter). 6 Lifters beat that score although to the best of my knowledge they lifted in feds that didn’t test (not saying they used, just saying the feds didn’t test).
That brings me to another question. In your opinion, what is a good number of lifters (say per year) that should hit Elite per weight class?
Age: 24
Weight: 185-190 staying closer to 185 atm
Squat: 345 box squat tested several months ago, most recent squat ME is 295x1 box SSB squat I believe… will double check to make sure
Bench: 285 recently tested, hoping for 300 next week (touch and go)
Deadlift: 455 a few weeks ago
Age :44 lifting steady now for 7 months. BW-190 Squat 330 Dead 395 Bench (pathetically) 205. There ya go.
Take into account I also cycle a 5:30 century solo(100 miler) and run a 3:40 marathon. NO, I DO NOT DO CROSSFIT !
Started lifting again this year. Had not lifted since highschool powerlifting and after being completely laid off physical activity for 6 months from a sickness and then hamstring injury. been lifting 9 months now, last 6 have been serious and consistent.
5’9
180lbs
23 years old
Bench 335lbs x 1
squat 435 lbs x 1
deadlift 465 x 1
I consider myself raw only and at present the IPF doesn’t make a lot of provisions for lifters like me.
Current raw numbers in the gym at 120kg bw:
Squat: 270kgs (594 lbs)
Bench: 182.5kgs (401.5 lbs)
Deadlift: 305 kgs (671 lbs)
Best raw total in competition: 695kgs (1529 lbs)
Would definitely be keen to know if anyone knows of any planned coms in the UK.
RE:“50% RAW”, I consider a raw lift as any where a piece of equipment/clothing doesn’t give you a mechanical advantage (knee wraps help you to extend your knees, squat suits help you extend your hips etc. Wrist wraps do nothing in terms of the rebound of your shoulders and elbows in contrast). To each their own though. Equipped and unequipped lifting are different sports and should be treated as such. No one should be on a high horse about being raw only and vice versa.
