[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Im finding it amazing this guy isn’t taking what im saying to heart. [/quote]
well… at least you’re funny
@OP: good luck with new training!
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]BobbinWithApes wrote:
What else can I do? [/quote]
I dunno, more direct arm work?[/quote]
That’s ** CRAAAYYYYZZZZEEEEE **
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]BobbinWithApes wrote:
What else can I do? [/quote]
I dunno, more direct arm work?[/quote]
That’s ** CRAAAYYYYZZZZEEEEE **[/quote]
I like to think outside the box.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Im finding it amazing this guy isn’t taking what im saying to heart. [/quote]
nobody would take a vampire’s advice to the heart.
[quote]Null wrote:
The reason I said reality check.
Is that people are telling you that what your doing is not working and how to change it.
And you comeback with resistance…
Boils down to:
EAT
LIFT
SLEEP
But your lifting program should be selected based upon your experience, and goals. Fortunately, there’s several great beginner programs here. Starting strength will work, 5/3/1 will work.
If “bigger arms” are your only goal. Well, work on bi’s and tri’s. Almost anything will get 14’’ bigger, even just eating…
People question your actual maxes as we see so many: 1/4 rep wonders, team benching, and curl humping. Are your lifts honest? Squats to 90. bench to the chest, no bounce, no help. Curl humping?
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If it seemed like I was being resistant to the advice, that wasn’t my intent. I’m here to learn, but learning does mean questioning and taking the right advice. Like your suggestions to start back building a strong base. It seems to me that I’ve already made a good amount of progress on strength and need to start focusing on building muscle.
As for questioning if I’m using the correct form and not cheat lifting, I can understand some questioning of that. I also see that stuff at the gym by the majority of guys. I do use correct form.
I do appreciate the advice.
[quote]BobbinWithApes wrote:
[quote]Null wrote:
The reason I said reality check.
Is that people are telling you that what your doing is not working and how to change it.
And you comeback with resistance…
Boils down to:
EAT
LIFT
SLEEP
But your lifting program should be selected based upon your experience, and goals. Fortunately, there’s several great beginner programs here. Starting strength will work, 5/3/1 will work.
If “bigger arms” are your only goal. Well, work on bi’s and tri’s. Almost anything will get 14’’ bigger, even just eating…
People question your actual maxes as we see so many: 1/4 rep wonders, team benching, and curl humping. Are your lifts honest? Squats to 90. bench to the chest, no bounce, no help. Curl humping?
[/quote]
If it seemed like I was being resistant to the advice, that wasn’t my intent. I’m here to learn, but learning does mean questioning and taking the right advice. Like your suggestions to start back building a strong base. It seems to me that I’ve already made a good amount of progress on strength and need to start focusing on building muscle.
As for questioning if I’m using the correct form and not cheat lifting, I can understand some questioning of that. I also see that stuff at the gym by the majority of guys. I do use correct form.
I do appreciate the advice.[/quote]
“Correct form” simply (and only) means the form that leads to the best growth (if the goal is hypertrophy). Whatever notion you have about what form should be is useless if it doesnt lead to optimal growth.
People who think about bodybuilding robotically dont experience sustainable progress. Stop limiting yourself with your ideas of how things ‘should’ be and get the job done any way possible.
Quote of the day right there.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
People who think about bodybuilding robotically dont experience sustainable progress. Stop limiting yourself with your ideas of how things ‘should’ be and get the job done any way possible. [/quote]
You can stick with yur compounds but for fuuuurk sake do some iso work as well. You have great strength in certain lifts, this will help you gain fast with iso work, so hit it man.
Edit:…quickben, thats an awsome avy lol
OP. To be fair in your pics your arms look better than probably 90% of people I see ‘working out’ in the gym. But this is a hardcore bodybuilding website. Most people on this site are in or are working towards that top 10%.
I think you’ve done it the right way. You’ve got some decent strength and overall size but now its time to target the muscles. Direct work is a must!
Either train them frequently like 4 times a week with varying rep ranges or one session with lots of volume. You probably need direct shoulder work as well. But that’s not what this thread is about.
Whats that old saying, that I’ve read many many times. To gain an inch on your arms, you need to gain at least 10lbs of bodyweight. this holds true, especially for guys who are skinny and just starting to build muscle. There is no such thing as just getting your arms bigger.
Sure, an advanced guy can improve on certain bodyparts by focusing on them. But, when you need to gain a great deal of size, you need to gain bodyweight, end of story. that simply can’t be argued with. if you want to get your arms from 14 to 17 inches. you better be preparted to gain 30-40lbs.
[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
Direct work is a must!
You probably need direct shoulder work as well. But that’s not what this thread is about.
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everyone in the entire world who’s goals are “bodybuilding” NEED direct arm work, direct shoulder work, direct back work, direct leg work ect…
“you probably need direct shoulder work”??? whaaaaat?
if your goal is bigger muscles then you need to train your muscles… all of them.
OP, I’m in a similar boat as you in terms of strength on big lifts vs arm size, and I’m 180, 5’10. Direct arm work is definitely the way to go. I’d also try different hand placements on your bench press, along with a focus on pressing with your triceps more. There are definitely ways to work your triceps harder on bench press, even if you have to press with less weight.
Same goes for rowing, and pull ups. Different variations will have different results. I think the key is trying alot of things, and seeing which ones seem to engage the muscles you want to work the best.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I’d also try different hand placements on your bench press, along with a focus on pressing with your triceps more. There are definitely ways to work your triceps harder on bench press, even if you have to press with less weight.
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why would you want to use less weight so that you can “work your triceps harder on bench press” when the target muscle on bench press is the chest? why would you want to work your chest less during bench? (I.E. purposefully working your tri’s more) That doesnt make sense to me.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I’d also try different hand placements on your bench press, along with a focus on pressing with your triceps more. There are definitely ways to work your triceps harder on bench press, even if you have to press with less weight.
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why would you want to use less weight so that you can “work your triceps harder on bench press” when the target muscle on bench press is the chest? why would you want to work your chest less during bench? (I.E. purposefully working your tri’s more) That doesnt make sense to me.[/quote]
Ever heard of close grip bench presses?
gregron: because it can help your bench press in the long run. The target muscle on bench press is whatever muscle you want it to be. Any powerlifter will tell you that triceps and delt strength are the keys to a great bench.
and besides that, this is a forum asking how to increase arm size. close grip bench presses will do that, even if they result in less chest development. last I checked, OP isn’t concerned with his chest (i’m not here to judge his goals.)
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
Direct work is a must!
You probably need direct shoulder work as well. But that’s not what this thread is about.
[/quote]
everyone in the entire world who’s goals are “bodybuilding” NEED direct arm work, direct shoulder work, direct back work, direct leg work ect…
“you probably need direct shoulder work”??? whaaaaat?
if your goal is bigger muscles then you need to train your muscles… all of them.
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Agreed. Although I doubt he ‘needs’ isolation work on his legs/chest/back yet. My legs grow like weeds from squats and deads. Benching works my chest like crazy. Rows build my back easily. But they are all target muscles of those movements.
I just dont think you can stimulate the bi’s,tri’s and delts enough with compound movements alone.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
The target muscle on bench press is whatever muscle you want it to be. Any powerlifter will tell you that…[/quote]
I thought this was the Bodybuilding Section?
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
The target muscle on bench press is whatever muscle you want it to be.
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yup, my calves got huge from all that benching.
I often have cramps in my sternocleidomastoid while benching (just kidding)
Close grip bench vs. wide grip: Totally different excersises. Though the former SHOULD work the tris more, I often see people doing it for chest, as they get better peak contraction at the top (like squeezing the dumbells during DBBP)
It’s ironic, that wide grip presses often screwed up by people with “tearing the bar apart” and lowering the bar to their abdomen, mostly recruiting their triceps, whereas the close grips are done in a fashion which minimizes triceps recruitment and emphasizes the chest.
Like you’d go to the mountain forest path with your Yaris while leaving the UAZ for city rush hours. (yeah, UAZ, better than anything else for mud-snow :o))
[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
Agreed. Although I doubt he ‘needs’ isolation work on his legs/chest/back yet. My legs grow like weeds from squats and deads. Benching works my chest like crazy. Rows build my back easily. But they are all target muscles of those movements. [/quote]
Why do you think someone needs to work up to working a muscle in isolation? Yet?
I don’t see huge people saying crap like this. I only see it coming from people with no pictures posted or their profiles set to private.
No offense.
As far as comparing “using less weight on bench press to work triceps” to “CLOSE GRIP BENCH” the two are not the same. One is clearly someone using an exercise for other than its intended purpose…and doing so poorly at that. The other is a legit movement for triceps development more directly.