Another Gun Thread

[quote]Dedicated wrote:

Hmmmmmm…I’m not sure if this was some how supposed to be related to my post. I think it probably really wasn’t, and was just a continuation of the conversation that can be summed up as saying you grew up in a small town, been shooting all your life, and get irritated with city boys who buy the latest tacti-cool weapon, fire it once and never touch it again.

Well…I hear ya.

Hey guy, precisely. No disrespect intended your way. I guess just venting a little frustration. Everytime I see one of these gun threads, I being a gun nut myself, hope for something beyond the norm with a little substance in regard to the art of shooting and it’s application in terms of actual accuracy on the range or performance in the field as in hunting. Just always seems to end up being (not the qualified round here) a bunch of suburban cowboys recommending the sexiest piece for killing bad guys that break into your home. Gets a little boring. But, alas who the hell am I to complain.

Take care!

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How 'bout this- Has your experience shooting benefitted your weight training in any way or vice versa? I know in my case I improved my posture while lifting considerably after I made adjustments to my shooting stance.

me and my collection

[quote]saveski wrote:
me and my collection[/quote]

I’m slightly more terrified of what he can do with the guitars.

[quote]saveski wrote:
me and my collection[/quote]

OHHH WHAT THE FUCK!!!

I am going to murder my girlfriend she said she deleted that picture of me. And yes I’m gonna use the MOTHER FUCKING GUITAR!

Oh BTW please don’t impersonate me again and take down that picture.

lol at ^

alright, let’s talk about new and exciting stuff…the CAR system! any of you guys try it? buddies that try it? seems like regular point shooting to me, although the stance and felt recoil really is no joke. plus the mag changes and f2f drills are HELLA fast and sexy. makes showing off on the gun range that much easier if i don’t have to actually shoot bullets, lol.

M9 mag change - M9 C.A.R. SYSTEM MAG CHANGE - YouTube

F2f drill - Tactical shooting - YouTube

controlling .223 pistol with CAR system - Kel-Tec PLR-16 (.223 Pistol) - YouTube

if that got you interested you can check out the video on the main page.

http://www.sabretactical.com/CAR/car.html

well OP, you got any xmas ideas? curious as to what you decided on?

Don’t know about the OP, but I put a deposit down on an M1A Scout.

that made me put a deposit in my pants

Here’s my perspective (nothing below is stated as a fact):

I have been considering my first HD gun purchase since I bought my first house this summer. From what several people, gun shops, forums, and this thread havemade me think, I am going to go for a pistol grip shotgun with a laser pointer or flashlight. Havnt decided that part. Since I think I would “barracade” us in the bedroom in the event of a robbery, and dial 911, I think this would be a good weapon for pointing towards the door.

As some mentioned here (I can say this, as I have little gun experience) the thing most concerning me is the adrenaline dump and the degradation of fine motor skills. In the event of a huge adrenaline dump, most people immediately feel like they are wearing “oven mitts”, as they find their fingers no longer work as planned. I got pulled over for speeding for example, and I barely had the dexterity to pull out my drivers license from my wallet. Everyone is different I am sure, (especially you guys with LE/Military experience) but for me, I think I could hold, point and shoot a shotgun in that high stress situation. I dont know if I could do that with the XD’s, glocks, or 1911’s that I’ve held.

What also makes me want to choose shotgun so far, is the close proximity of other houses in my developement. I hear there is more than just a chance that some of those bullets could leave my house and enter someone elses. I hear the odds are much less with a 12 or 20 gauge shotgun.

Also, I like the spread of a shotgun as well, as little as it would be in a close quarters nightmare situation. I know with a pistol my hand would be shaking.

I am not sure howI feel about the “racking” of the shotgun, as I could make arguments for both sides. I wonder if a semiauto shotgun might be a smart choice?

Anyhow, comments welcome, as I am looking for info as always.

[quote]demonthrall wrote:
Here’s my perspective (nothing below is stated as a fact):

I have been considering my first HD gun purchase since I bought my first house this summer. From what several people, gun shops, forums, and this thread havemade me think, I am going to go for a pistol grip shotgun with a laser pointer or flashlight. Havnt decided that part. Since I think I would “barracade” us in the bedroom in the event of a robbery, and dial 911, I think this would be a good weapon for pointing towards the door.

As some mentioned here (I can say this, as I have little gun experience) the thing most concerning me is the adrenaline dump and the degradation of fine motor skills. In the event of a huge adrenaline dump, most people immediately feel like they are wearing “oven mitts”, as they find their fingers no longer work as planned. I got pulled over for speeding for example, and I barely had the dexterity to pull out my drivers license from my wallet. Everyone is different I am sure, (especially you guys with LE/Military experience) but for me, I think I could hold, point and shoot a shotgun in that high stress situation. I dont know if I could do that with the XD’s, glocks, or 1911’s that I’ve held.

What also makes me want to choose shotgun so far, is the close proximity of other houses in my developement. I hear there is more than just a chance that some of those bullets could leave my house and enter someone elses. I hear the odds are much less with a 12 or 20 gauge shotgun.

Also, I like the spread of a shotgun as well, as little as it would be in a close quarters nightmare situation. I know with a pistol my hand would be shaking.

I am not sure howI feel about the “racking” of the shotgun, as I could make arguments for both sides. I wonder if a semiauto shotgun might be a smart choice?

Anyhow, comments welcome, as I am looking for info as always.

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Here’s my comment…get one for you…and one for me.

[quote]JPCleary wrote:

Here’s my comment…get one for you…and one for me.

That looks really neat, and has everything I think I need, minus the price tag!

How do you feel about this fellow? There is one at my local sports shop for the same price that I could have today with my driver’s license:

[quote]demonthrall wrote:
Here’s my perspective (nothing below is stated as a fact):

I have been considering my first HD gun purchase since I bought my first house this summer. From what several people, gun shops, forums, and this thread havemade me think, I am going to go for a pistol grip shotgun with a laser pointer or flashlight. Havnt decided that part. Since I think I would “barracade” us in the bedroom in the event of a robbery, and dial 911, I think this would be a good weapon for pointing towards the door.

As some mentioned here (I can say this, as I have little gun experience) the thing most concerning me is the adrenaline dump and the degradation of fine motor skills. In the event of a huge adrenaline dump, most people immediately feel like they are wearing “oven mitts”, as they find their fingers no longer work as planned. I got pulled over for speeding for example, and I barely had the dexterity to pull out my drivers license from my wallet. Everyone is different I am sure, (especially you guys with LE/Military experience) but for me, I think I could hold, point and shoot a shotgun in that high stress situation. I dont know if I could do that with the XD’s, glocks, or 1911’s that I’ve held.

What also makes me want to choose shotgun so far, is the close proximity of other houses in my developement. I hear there is more than just a chance that some of those bullets could leave my house and enter someone elses. I hear the odds are much less with a 12 or 20 gauge shotgun.

Also, I like the spread of a shotgun as well, as little as it would be in a close quarters nightmare situation. I know with a pistol my hand would be shaking.

I am not sure howI feel about the “racking” of the shotgun, as I could make arguments for both sides. I wonder if a semiauto shotgun might be a smart choice?

Anyhow, comments welcome, as I am looking for info as always.

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A few thoughts.

Degradation of fine motor skills is also a result of not enough training. Using the comparison of getting pulled over, if that was a regular occurance for you, the whole process wouldn’t have been as stressful, lol. You train with the weapon until the motions are second nature. This is not limited to going to range and blasting rounds, but also going through drills “dry” (no live ammo) at home.

At distances for home defense, buckshot won’t have any kind of spread so you still have to aim. I say buckshot because that’s what you use. Birdshot is for birds.

If you choose a shotgun, get one with a shoulder stock. Shooting heavy buckshot will have quite a bit of kick and that’s not going to feel too good on your wrists. Plus, having a shoulder stock can make reloads easier since you can tuck the stock into your arm to support the weight of the shotgun. Pistol grip only shotguns are for breeching doors and looking cool in movies.

[quote]demonthrall wrote:
How do you feel about this fellow? There is one at my local sports shop for the same price that I could have today with my driver’s license:

Their recommendation for running out of ammo is full of fail and AIDS.

[quote]Doug Adams wrote:

A few thoughts.

Degradation of fine motor skills is also a result of not enough training. Using the comparison of getting pulled over, if that was a regular occurance for you, the whole process wouldn’t have been as stressful, lol. You train with the weapon until the motions are second nature. This is not limited to going to range and blasting rounds, but also going through drills “dry” (no live ammo) at home. [/quote]

I agree practice will help. I know that adrenaline will also never be out of the picture for me. I am never a cool customer in tense situations.

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At distances for home defense, buckshot won’t have any kind of spread so you still have to aim. I say buckshot because that’s what you use. Birdshot is for birds. [/quote]

Yeah, like I said, I know it wont spread much, but the distance from my “barricade” position to my bedroom door is about 5 yards, which allows it to spread a little. Basically with my thought process here I am comparing, say, a .45 bullet hole to 00 buckshot at 5 yards. At 5 yards,the buckshot pattern is bigger than the .45 hole and gives better odds. Multiply that by the 6-8 shots in the magazine, and this is my current train of thought~

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If you choose a shotgun, get one with a shoulder stock. Shooting heavy buckshot will have quite a bit of kick and that’s not going to feel too good on your wrists. Plus, having a shoulder stock can make reloads easier since you can tuck the stock into your arm to support the weight of the shotgun. Pistol grip only shotguns are for breeching doors and looking cool in movies. [/quote]

I probably will put a stock on it if I purchase. Not sure if I should buy a shotgun that comes with one, or add a knox or other brand to the crusier above. Thanks for your input

[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
demonthrall wrote:
How do you feel about this fellow? There is one at my local sports shop for the same price that I could have today with my driver’s license:

Their recommendation for running out of ammo is full of fail and AIDS.[/quote]

Right?!

[quote]demonthrall wrote:
Doug Adams wrote:
demonthrall wrote:
How do you feel about this fellow? There is one at my local sports shop for the same price that I could have today with my driver’s license:

Their recommendation for running out of ammo is full of fail and AIDS.

Right?![/quote]

That muzzle device is for blowing out locks, not to serve as a shitty bayonet. Mossberg only puts them on there because they look cool to noobs.

[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
demonthrall wrote:
Doug Adams wrote:
demonthrall wrote:
How do you feel about this fellow? There is one at my local sports shop for the same price that I could have today with my driver’s license:

Their recommendation for running out of ammo is full of fail and AIDS.

Right?!

That muzzle device is for blowing out locks, not to serve as a shitty bayonet. Mossberg only puts them on there because they look cool to noobs. [/quote]

Sounds about right.

whatever. i got like 3 confirmed kills with the muzzle of a mossburg crusier like last year.

i would at least SUGGEST you look at a carbine demon. much greater accuracy than a handgun, with none of the recoil of a shotty. remember, it’s not like you’re going to be standing there in a soild shooting stance against the bad guy, any awkward position you have will only be magnified by the recoil of the gun as well as the need to manipulate the weapon in order to fire again. where as a carbine you just pull the trigger again.

there’s a top-folding stock for shotguns that holds some shells in it as well. looks kinda cheap but actually holds up nicely, and if you want to play rambo you just fold the stock up and away you go.

I saw fuck it go with a G18 for HD with extended mag and laser, and a Barrett 95 with a BORS scope for target shooting, I would suggest the 98Bravo but I still haven’t shot one myself.