Another Gun Thread

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

Anyone have any recommendations for inside-the-waist holsters for 1911s?

Also, mags. I’m going to need a bunch of mags. [/quote]

Tucker Gun Leather has a good selection of IWB stuff, kydex and otherwise.
http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/iwbholsters1.html

Milt Sparks is known for his leather craftmanship, but the wait time can be considerable.

This place has a wealth of knowledge re: everything 1911.
http://forum.m1911.org/index.php?

I’ve heard good things about Wilson Combat mags, also.

P.S. If/when you order, be sure to ask for the Caucasian discount, as in The Greater Caucasus Mountain Range. I’m not talking about ‘white’ people, I’m talking about Caucasian.

Remember that little back-and-forth?
hehe :slight_smile:

[quote]j62usa wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
farmermaggot wrote:
My NRA instructor suggested a 20 gauge shotgun for home defense. Nothing will make a burglar shit his pants faster than the sound of a shotgun being cocked.

that’s just fucking stupid.

if someone is illegally in my house stealing my shit and threatening my life, i am not going to rack a shotgun, chamber a round in my pistol, call out ‘HEY, i’m calling 911’ or any of those other stupid things.

you know what makes a burglar shit his pants? when i’ve drilled three .45 hollow-points into his chest.

if i’m robbing your house, i’m assuming you are either A.)not home B.)asleep and/or C.)not much of a threat.

racking a shotgun and announcing your presence only heightens the situation. now you have potentially turned his crime from a simply burglary into possible murder. you have also given up the element of surprise, location, AND the fact that you are armed.

and why the hell was a 20ga shotgun suggested to you by a supposed ‘NRA instructor’

the only conclusion i can draw from that is you are such a goddamn soyboy the instructor felt you lacked the appropriate amount of balls to handle a 12guage.

good day.

Agreed Fully.

To the original poster, on the topic of rifles for target shooting: I would say go with an AR type, but i recently picked up a Springfield M1A Socom, and put in in a sage EBR Stock. It is of course more expensive to shoot than the AR, b/c it is a .308 but god damn is it fun.

Here is a link to what she looks like (not my personal version) http://www.m1arifles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/sage-ebr-stock.jpg[/quote]

These gun discussions always end up proceeding with a lot of unnecessary dick-waving.

The purpose of the shotgun for self-defense purposes is that a shotgun can put 8-9 .32 caliber pellets on a target with one pull of the trigger. Shotguns aim very quickly without much practice.

Speed, power, and ease of use are the benefits.

SWAT and other operators that deal with close-quarters situations use SMGs because they have speed and power as well. But their SMGs are fully automatic. With one pull of the trigger, you get 3 rounds fired. You can’t own a fully automatic SMG in this country without paying for a $300 NFA stamp. The aim must also be more careful.

.223 is great if you practice often and aren’t worried about over-penetration. If you don’t care about seeing your bullets go through several walls, it’s ok to use.

Obviously, if you can handle 12 gauge, use 12 gauge. If you have a small wife that may need to use the gun when you’re not home (!), 20 gauge may be more appropriate and almost as effective.

Shotguns are also great for wives because they a) don’t require much practice for proficiency and b) speed and power.

Getting your wife/girlfriend interested in going to the range is often way more trouble than it’s worth.

[quote]Ratchet wrote:
I feel a 45 would be much better suited for home defense. I am not a fan of glocks but have heard good things about the sig… any suggestions??
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Get a P220. I have one, and it kicks dicks in. srsly.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
StevenF wrote:
My first gun was an XD45 service model. I am somewhat of a beginner shooter and I swear for the life of me I could not hit shit at 10 yards with that thing. Then I sold it and bought a kimber custom II and my 10 yard shots are much more accurate on average. Maybe I just suck at shooting but I really like the heavier weight when shooting a .45. Smaller calibers such as .40 and 9mm are better suited for those polymer frame pistols IMHO.

Agreed. The metal frame just makes the balance that much better in .45.

Anyone have any recommendations for inside-the-waist holsters for 1911s?

Also, mags. I’m going to need a bunch of mags. [/quote]

Tripp Cobra mags are the shit.

http://www.trippresearch.com/store/store_1911.html

[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
StevenF wrote:
My first gun was an XD45 service model. I am somewhat of a beginner shooter and I swear for the life of me I could not hit shit at 10 yards with that thing. Then I sold it and bought a kimber custom II and my 10 yard shots are much more accurate on average. Maybe I just suck at shooting but I really like the heavier weight when shooting a .45. Smaller calibers such as .40 and 9mm are better suited for those polymer frame pistols IMHO.

Agreed. The metal frame just makes the balance that much better in .45.

Anyone have any recommendations for inside-the-waist holsters for 1911s?

Also, mags. I’m going to need a bunch of mags.

Tripp Cobra mags are the shit.

http://www.trippresearch.com/store/store_1911.html
[/quote]

Yikes. $36 a pop for those 10 rounders, huh? those base pads do look pretty awesome. Are those mags reliable?

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Doug Adams wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
StevenF wrote:
My first gun was an XD45 service model. I am somewhat of a beginner shooter and I swear for the life of me I could not hit shit at 10 yards with that thing. Then I sold it and bought a kimber custom II and my 10 yard shots are much more accurate on average. Maybe I just suck at shooting but I really like the heavier weight when shooting a .45. Smaller calibers such as .40 and 9mm are better suited for those polymer frame pistols IMHO.

Agreed. The metal frame just makes the balance that much better in .45.

Anyone have any recommendations for inside-the-waist holsters for 1911s?

Also, mags. I’m going to need a bunch of mags.

Tripp Cobra mags are the shit.

http://www.trippresearch.com/store/store_1911.html

Yikes. $36 a pop for those 10 rounders, huh? those base pads do look pretty awesome. Are those mags reliable? [/quote]

As reliable as you’re going to get. My buddy’s Springfield Mil Spec jams occasionally with the stock mags, but with the Cobra mags it runs flawlessly. The Cobra mags are also easier to insert into the pistol, the angle of the follower is more precise.

[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Doug Adams wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
StevenF wrote:
My first gun was an XD45 service model. I am somewhat of a beginner shooter and I swear for the life of me I could not hit shit at 10 yards with that thing. Then I sold it and bought a kimber custom II and my 10 yard shots are much more accurate on average. Maybe I just suck at shooting but I really like the heavier weight when shooting a .45. Smaller calibers such as .40 and 9mm are better suited for those polymer frame pistols IMHO.

Agreed. The metal frame just makes the balance that much better in .45.

Anyone have any recommendations for inside-the-waist holsters for 1911s?

Also, mags. I’m going to need a bunch of mags.

Tripp Cobra mags are the shit.

http://www.trippresearch.com/store/store_1911.html

Yikes. $36 a pop for those 10 rounders, huh? those base pads do look pretty awesome. Are those mags reliable?

As reliable as you’re going to get. My buddy’s Springfield Mil Spec jams occasionally with the stock mags, but with the Cobra mags it runs flawlessly. The Cobra mags are also easier to insert into the pistol, the angle of the follower is more precise. [/quote]

I’m wondering if they’ll be harder to conceal with the 10 round mag. The frame on mine is machined for a 7 rnd mag.

I might just go with the 8 rounder. If I haven’t solved my problem in 7+1, I’ll be dead anyway.

Yeah, 10 round mags are for range use and zombie slaying, not concealment. If you buy any of these mags and like them, you can get upgrade kits to swap the guts out of your existing mags.

http://www.trippresearch.com/store/store_1911.html

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

These gun discussions always end up proceeding with a lot of unnecessary dick-waving…

…Shotguns are also great for wives because they a) don’t require much practice for proficiency and b) speed and power.

[/quote]

sry about the ‘dick waving’. i just hear all the time from arm chair warriors how you should rack your shotgun in the house. IMO that is one of that dumbest ‘techniques’ passed around.

i do not agree with shotguns being great for wives because of speed and proficiency. i would like to see home video of someone’s wife on here using a shotgun with ‘speed and proficiency’.

i also feel people wildly exagerate the spread of a shotgun when dealing with distances encountered in home defense situations.

PLUS. when your wife goes to rack the shotgun she is going to either A.)take the muzzle off of the target or B.)take her eye off the sights in order to manipulate the pump. you then have to reaquire your target. that is not the case with a semi automatic pistol/carbine.

[quote]Dedicated wrote:

What you and others are saying is true (about learning and practicing) but every time I read one of these threads it invokes visions of city boys who after watching Die Hard or The Matrix one too many times and after a years subscription to Urban Warfare and Assault magazine run out and buy the latest and greatest glock pistol or 223 assault rifle…

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of course! jpclearly and i used to dress up in camo and play paintball once a month (but we switched to airsoft because paintball hurt to much).

sometimes we’ll invite alpha, richochet, and sjoconn over and all watch a movie with our newly bought guns. then when the bad guys show up on the screen we all point them at the tv and shout “PEW PEW PEW” and then giggle about it later.

A shotgun in the home is basically “extremely excessive”. If you’re worried about having to need that kind of firepower in your own home, you need to rethink where you are currently living.

Training in double-taps and most efficient stopping areas for shooting a target with a pistol would be much more effective. Too much can go wrong with a shotgun and, IMO, it’s just honestly excessive force without the need. Teach her to aim at the chest consistently, and you’re good.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Dedicated wrote:

What you and others are saying is true (about learning and practicing) but every time I read one of these threads it invokes visions of city boys who after watching Die Hard or The Matrix one too many times and after a years subscription to Urban Warfare and Assault magazine run out and buy the latest and greatest glock pistol or 223 assault rifle…

of course! jpclearly and i used to dress up in camo and play paintball once a month (but we switched to airsoft because paintball hurt to much).

sometimes we’ll invite alpha, richochet, and sjoconn over and all watch a movie with our newly bought guns. then when the bad guys show up on the screen we all point them at the tv and shout “PEW PEW PEW” and then giggle about it later.[/quote]

You know, you’re one of the few I feel has genuine authenticity when it comes to this topic as you will undoubtably be in a combat environment at some point where you will actually use those weapons in a life and death manner and are training for this. I also agreed with your shotgun rationale, I also think it’s ridiculous to rely on the ‘racking’ noise of a pump action to dissuade someone. Like you I’d be silent until I had to either pull the trigger or had the perp under control (or he had done me).

Too bad you took my post personally as it wasn’t intended towards you. Need a tissue? Ha, just kidding mac woot woot!

D

[quote]Dreadnought_UG wrote:

Training in double-taps and …[/quote]

ahem. you mean ‘controlled-pairs’ right?

b/c we don’t ‘double tap’ targets.

just rack the shotgun and show him your massive traps.

ok any SKS owners out there? what specs?

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

These gun discussions always end up proceeding with a lot of unnecessary dick-waving…

…Shotguns are also great for wives because they a) don’t require much practice for proficiency and b) speed and power.

sry about the ‘dick waving’. i just hear all the time from arm chair warriors how you should rack your shotgun in the house. IMO that is one of that dumbest ‘techniques’ passed around.

i do not agree with shotguns being great for wives because of speed and proficiency. i would like to see home video of someone’s wife on here using a shotgun with ‘speed and proficiency’.

i also feel people wildly exagerate the spread of a shotgun when dealing with distances encountered in home defense situations.

PLUS. when your wife goes to rack the shotgun she is going to either A.)take the muzzle off of the target or B.)take her eye off the sights in order to manipulate the pump. you then have to reaquire your target. that is not the case with a semi automatic pistol/carbine.[/quote]

Shotguns are stored “cruiser ready,” meaning the action is cycled once, the trigger pressed, and then the rounds are loaded into the magazine. This is done for safety purposes and it’s how cops typically store their shotguns in their cruisers, hence “cruiser ready.” The cops here will hopefully correct me if I’m wrong.

Running the action on a shotgun does take away some stealth, but most the home defense plan of most people involves letting the criminal walk past some sort of choke point where they can be ambushed, preferably after shining an intense light in their eyes to identify and blind them before shooting them. Also, the sound of the action running on a shotgun can be a major psychological deterrent for all but the most hardened criminals.

Usually, only the real pros are confident enough to go around clearing rooms, and typically they only do it with a partner or two who really, really knows what they’re doing while wearing at least level II protection.

That’s not most of us. I know you’re 22 and therefore indestructible, but most of us would be better off shooting from behind something, especially since we likely won’t be wearing anything but a wedding ring if someone breaks in at night. These things happen very fast.

My wife was firing a shotgun accurately within the first couple of rounds fired, with zero gun experience prior. I wouldn’t say you can duplicate this with someone - anyone - brand new to a pistol. Maybe I’m wrong.

Running the action on a shotgun doesn’t require one to stop aiming. The action is very smooth and very fast. But then again, if you need to run the action more than once or twice in a gun fight, you’re probably going to lose and have probably already been shot. It’s not like Halo where you just re-spawn in 5 seconds either, as you well know.

Shotguns are also typically easier to manipulate/shoot accurately from the weak side if you get shot on your strong side.

The pattern on a shotgun with an 18" bbl fired across a typical room will probably be less than 4" with 00 buckshot. You definitely have to aim it. But like I said, it aims more quickly than a pistol or SMG, especially for less experienced people like wives.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

Shotguns are stored “cruiser ready,” meaning the action is cycled once, the trigger pressed, and then the rounds are loaded into the magazine. This is done for safety purposes and it’s how cops typically store their shotguns in their cruisers, hence “cruiser ready.” The cops here will hopefully correct me if I’m wrong.

Running the action on a shotgun does take away some stealth, but most the home defense plan of most people involves letting the criminal walk past some sort of choke point where they can be ambushed, preferably after shining an intense light in their eyes to identify and blind them before shooting them. Also, the sound of the action running on a shotgun can be a major psychological deterrent for all but the most hardened criminals.

Usually, only the real pros are confident enough to go around clearing rooms, and typically they only do it with a partner or two who really, really knows what they’re doing while wearing at least level II protection.

That’s not most of us. I know you’re 22 and therefore indestructible, but most of us would be better off shooting from behind something, especially since we likely won’t be wearing anything but a wedding ring if someone breaks in at night. These things happen very fast.

My wife was firing a shotgun accurately within the first couple of rounds fired, with zero gun experience prior. I wouldn’t say you can duplicate this with someone - anyone - brand new to a pistol. Maybe I’m wrong.

Running the action on a shotgun doesn’t require one to stop aiming. The action is very smooth and very fast. But then again, if you need to run the action more than once or twice in a gun fight, you’re probably going to lose and have probably already been shot. It’s not like Halo where you just re-spawn in 5 seconds either, as you well know.

Shotguns are also typically easier to manipulate/shoot accurately from the weak side if you get shot on your strong side.

The pattern on a shotgun with an 18" bbl fired across a typical room will probably be less than 4" with 00 buckshot. You definitely have to aim it. But like I said, it aims more quickly than a pistol or SMG, especially for less experienced people like wives. [/quote]

good post. a few things…

you have to assume the criminal is armed. racking a shotgun, like i said earlier, gives away the element of surprise, your posistion, and the fact that you are armed. whos to say the criminal won’t blind fire in your directio as he runs away? maybe your room is now between him and the exit, now maybe he’ll pick up your kid and use it as a negotiating tool. now his senses are hightened even FURTHER. no, IMO it’s a bad move.

as for me ‘clearing rooms’. absolutly not, hahaha. i’m gonna plop my ass behind my bed with the gun aimed at the door and my phone dialing 911 letting them know i’m being robbed and i’m upstairs in the bedroom with a gun. unless of course i happened to be having a sleepover with jpcleary. then we can go rock and roll.

yes i know you do not need to take your eyes/muzzle off the target to pump a shotgun. i am saying females with no gun experience will typically do this as they reload. just having to shoot, rack, and shoot takes entirely to much time IMO on TOP of the fact that if your shotgun IS stored ‘cruiser ready’ then you have to add the initial loading which will alert your state to the badguy.

and remember, my suggestion/pick for a HD weapon is a 9mm carbine, not a handgun.

[quote]Dedicated wrote:

Too bad you took my post personally as it wasn’t intended towards you. Need a tissue? Ha, just kidding mac woot woot!

D [/quote]

hahahaha.

sry man, you quoted my boy jpcleary who if i’m not mistaken was prior military and is now a civ-contractor in the middle east.

not to mention most gun threads involve sjoconn, who is an operator with a special forces unit, and richochet, who is a CPO in the middle east.

so while i agree gun threads normally bring out the chairborne rangers in forums, i think the nation has a pretty decent group of people who know what they are talking about when it comes to putting bullets in and around people.

and of course there’s you, who is going to be the first person i hit up when the zombie apocolypse hits.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Dedicated wrote:

Too bad you took my post personally as it wasn’t intended towards you. Need a tissue? Ha, just kidding mac woot woot!

D

hahahaha.

sry man, you quoted my boy jpcleary who if i’m not mistaken was prior military and is now a civ-contractor in the middle east.

not to mention most gun threads involve sjoconn, who is an operator with a special forces unit, and richochet, who is a CPO in the middle east.

so while i agree gun threads normally bring out the chairborne rangers in forums, i think the nation has a pretty decent group of people who know what they are talking about when it comes to putting bullets in and around people.

and of course there’s you, who is going to be the first person i hit up when the zombie apocolypse hits.[/quote]

Dude, if their zombie rabbits and I got my pistolero you got nuttin to worry bout!

On a serious note Mac, my thinking is if you’re in a combat environment the tricked out AR’s and auto pistols have a critical purpose. But, for your average joe blow protecting hearth and home simplicity in weaponry is the best answer for all involved. But, it’s cooler to play commando in your fruit of the looms late at night when the wife is sleeping for some. I keed, I keed.

D

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Dreadnought_UG wrote:

Training in double-taps and …

ahem. you mean ‘controlled-pairs’ right?

b/c we don’t ‘double tap’ targets.[/quote]

A rose by any other name…

[quote]Dreadnought_UG wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
Dreadnought_UG wrote:

Training in double-taps and …

ahem. you mean ‘controlled-pairs’ right?

b/c we don’t ‘double tap’ targets.

A rose by any other name…

[/quote]

lol sry, i don’t think my sarcasm came off in my post.