[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
My argument was that fat people deserve respect. Period. Thats it.[/quote]
You’re a dipshit. Really.
Why the fuck should fat people deserve respect? Just for being fat? Fuck you.
Nobody deserves respect. Respect is earned. By doing things of significance.
And eating candy bars all day and sitting on the couch and driving everywhere you can instead of walking is not something of significance. Anybody can do that, it doesn’t take any effort.
[quote]unbending wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
My argument was that fat people deserve respect. Period. Thats it.
You’re a dipshit. Really.
Why the fuck should fat people deserve respect? Just for being fat? Fuck you.
Nobody deserves respect. Respect is earned. By doing things of significance.
And eating candy bars all day and sitting on the couch and driving everywhere you can instead of walking is not something of significance. Anybody can do that, it doesn’t take any effort.[/quote]
So you believe you have the right to actively disrespect a person because they are overweight?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So you believe you have the right to actively disrespect a person because they are overweight?[/quote]
Remember where you are.
Yes, it is true that being fat is ultimately a lifestyle choice. However, I think it’s important to sympathize or at least have some understanding of the situation that fat people face.
There are two major differences/disadvantages between fat people and fit people:
First off, most people (including a lot of skinny people) don’t know much about nutrition. Sure, we can say that everyone should eat more fruits and vegetables, but some people understand the benefits of whole foods over processed foods better than others. Perhaps they were fortunate enough to take nutrition courses or seeked out the information.
Americans are bombarded with advertisements from corporations like CocaCola and Tyson that constantly tell us to buy their cheap processed foods that are only made possible by corn subsidies (the majority of corn produced in America is not for consumption by humans, but rather for use as oils, sweeteners, and livestock feed). The government seems to be run by the “free” market and despite attempting to provide a healthy food pyramid, they neglect applying subsidies for whole foods that if cheaper would provide greater incentives for people to eat and thus be healthier.
Lack of nutritional education can be remedied if individuals are determined enough to seek out the information (this is coming from a FFB). Of course if people are knowledgeable, yet don’t make any lifestyle changes – then they don’t deserve empathy from others about their fatness.
Another topic that hasn’t been brought up in this thread is how people are raised. One of my housemates has been obese for his whole life. Not only did he have a disadvantage from birth, but his parents also exacerbated the situation by feeding him large amounts of unhealthy shit. So he learned to improperly feed himself and to mentally accept his fatness because it’s part of his personal image.
As I was leaving my house today, I looked down the street to see one of my neighbors walking home with some groceries. I swear this woman waddles left and right more than she goes forward. I only watched her for a few seconds and I noticed her having to stop to take a break due to fatigue. Yes, her eating habits are what got her to where she is in life, but treating her as sub-human seems wrong to me.
I suppose the greater question is:
Who do you blame – The individual or the society?
I say both.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So you believe you have the right to actively disrespect a person because they are overweight?
Remember where you are.[/quote]
Did you make that just for me? I’m flattered.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So you believe you have the right to actively disrespect a person because they are overweight?[/quote]
I have the right to do what I want when I want and to think what I want when I want.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
Remember where you are.[/quote]
Why does that have Captain Planet?
[quote]unbending wrote:
Brant_Drake wrote:
Remember where you are.
Why does that have Captain Planet?[/quote]
You are slow.
My name: Capped And Plan It
Capped And = Captain
Plan It = Planet
CappedAndPlanIt = Captain Planet.
Anyway…
You dont have the right to do whatever you want, you sound like a fucking child. Maybe when you grow up you’ll realize that everyone deserves to be treated with respect.
Go away.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Maybe when you grow up you’ll realize that everyone deserves to be treated with respect.[/quote]
Everyone is entitled to etiquette from others. Like politeness. The minimum.
Respect is something that you earn from other people. Not something everyone should give to you just because you are there.
[quote]unbending wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Maybe when you grow up you’ll realize that everyone deserves to be treated with respect.
Everyone is entitled to etiquette from others. Like politeness. The minimum.
Respect is something that you earn from other people. Not something everyone should give to you just because you are there.[/quote]
Now this is a semantics battle. Call it what you want: respect, politeness, etiquette, whatever.
My point was that nobody should treat fat people without common decency just because they are fat.
Try eating dark chocolate whilst drinking a nice single malt whiskey, tastes extrordinarliy good!
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
MB:
It’s called NAFFA:
Mufasa[/quote]
This is the single most asinine website/idea I have ever heard.
[quote]IceGiant wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
MB:
It’s called NAFFA:
Mufasa
This is the single most asinine website/idea I have ever heard. [/quote]
Let me be more in depth pertaining this website. It seems that they are coddling fat people and saying that everything is ok. We can all agree that there are too many to count health related problems to being significanly overweight. Yet this website states the exact opposite.
This next statement could be debated but I believe obesity is a sickness. I’m not picking on fat people , I’m just stating facts. As far as respecting fat people and giving them special rights just because they are fat? Thats crazy ! I read form an earlier post stating that respect is earned not given and I agree 100%.
I try hard to be kind and polite to everyone. For the record some in my immediate family are fat. I love them very much and I’m thankful they are not obese.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So you believe you have the right to actively disrespect a person because they are overweight?[/quote]
LOL! So you won’t answer any questions to test your “arguments,” but you will ask others questions to test theirs. That’s weak, “peaches.”
I have to say that my favorite excuse to be fat is bulking.
Now i know bulking is a legitimate muscle building practice, but it’s funny when people who do lift weights but are the size of small elephents and 50% fat claim that they have to eat like dinosaurs to keep their “physique”.
A poor excuse to be lazy.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So you believe you have the right to actively disrespect a person because they are overweight?
LOL! So you won’t answer any questions to test your “arguments,” but you will ask others questions to test theirs. That’s weak, “peaches.”[/quote]
haha
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So you believe you have the right to actively disrespect a person because they are overweight?
LOL! So you won’t answer any questions to test your “arguments,” but you will ask others questions to test theirs. That’s weak, “peaches.”[/quote]
Cute.
Problem is, none of your questions actually tested my argument, sweetiecakes.
What you said:
This is an aesthetic judgment.
"Do you believe that fat people are beautiful? When you see a fat person, do you feel inspired - much like you might be inspired after watching a gymnast?
Some think of the impact obese people have on the economy. They do use more scare resources. And with our system of semi-socialized medicine, they also raise health care costs.
Obesity is a public health crisis. Obese people are “sick” by choice. Is this a good thing in your judgment? "
So your questions are:
Do you believe fat people are beautiful?
When you see a fat person, do you feel inspired - much like you might be inspired after watching a gymnast?
Is this (being fat) a good thing in your judgment?
None of. None. Zero for three. None of these questions test the argument that “Fat people deserve to be treated with the same respect as fit people.” None of them.
Treating someone with common decency has nothing to do with if you think they are beautiful.
Or inspiring.
Or making good decisions.
I never said, nor does my argument have anything to do with fat people being beautiful, inspiring, or making good decisions. These are strawmen that you are attempting to build.
Why dont you try asking me a question that has something to do with my actual argument, sugar tits?
I’ll repeat it again, so you can think up a question that relates to it: Fat people deserve to be treated with the same amount of decency as people who are not fat.
Test that, babe.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’ll repeat it again, so you can think up a question that relates to it: Fat people deserve to be treated with the same amount of decency as people who are not fat.
[/quote]
Yeah. That’s not what this thread is about. It is about the rationalization of eating large amounts of foods with healthy qualities as an excuse to be fat. You have hijacked this by taking a position that is so fucking obvious.
Treat everyone decently, who’s going to argue that? Thats like you trying to demand that shoplifting is wrong. Ya think? And I mean this in the most respectful way, but you kind of end up making yourself look like a jackass.
And as for your hyper-active sense of discrimination, it’s the internet! Everything that can be written will be. I’m sure everyone has seen or read something online that has offended them (I’ve been offended by somethings I’ve seen discussed here) but it’s really a waste of time to do anything else but skip on over it.
If some people want to vent by saying things that they’re not allowed to in real life, let them and just ignore it. It’s not your problem, and you’re not helping anybody. If you really feel a need to right wrongs instead of all this being some “look at me!” response, your time would be much better spent doing some real action instead of arguing a nonsensical point on this forum.
[quote]unbending wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So you believe you have the right to actively disrespect a person because they are overweight?
I have the right to do what I want when I want and to think what I want when I want.[/quote]
not to mention the right to free speech.
[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
unbending wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So you believe you have the right to actively disrespect a person because they are overweight?
I have the right to do what I want when I want and to think what I want when I want.
not to mention the right to free speech. [/quote]
Yup. And the rest of the stuff in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.