yes, her
oh… it’s marisa not Marissa. That’s why I had trouble googling her
Prooooooooobably gonna needs some male hormones if you want to look like her. Just a hunch.
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She did say the natty version, so the left. But either way, stefi eats more and moves less than her - then and now.
Also, in the “before” pic, every single part of her is twice as thick as the parts of you you call “fat”, Anna.
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Who?
I know stefi is on gear
I’m not sure if marisa is on gear- doesn’t look like it to me
Well, of course.
You are kidding, right? The face is a dead giveaway, the features have become absurdly masculine.
she’s on gear?
This is a serious question. I thought Stefi was natty for a while
I think maybe she WAS natty for a while. But look at the evolution of her facial features. She goes from ‘hey, she is pretty’ to ‘uh, is that a dude?’. Hormones are doing that, the only question is which ones.
Subjective as it may be, I’d say @anna_5588 has the left side Stefi beat, so Congrats!
The natty/not question is always dubious.
I’ve known a couple of fitness competitors, and one competitive female BB’r.
The Fitness competitors were lean and strong but clearly very feminine. The BB’r was straight up jacked with clear signs of masculinization from known drug use.
Take that fwiw.
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For what it’s worth, I wasn’t really looking at the gear that would be needed angle. I’m just fascinated by people different ideas of aesthetics. We’re all so convinced we know what “aesthetic” looks like to everyone, but our definitions vary so wildly. It’s fascinating to me.
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I’m not sure if this is the best way to look at it, but I like to use female weightlifters as a good reference point for women’s physiques if they’re in strength sports. Since they’re incredibly strong, likely a winner of the genetics lottery, spent decades training for their sport, and might be using some sort of awesome preworkout stuff that us mere mortals don’t have access to.
Marisa’s Juggernaut bio page puts her in the 52kg class.
This is what Li Xueying, the 58kg record holder, looks like-
I understand these comparisons are not good because Marisa evidently trains bodybuilding as well.
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I liked Zack Telander’s recent video on doping speculations and CrossFit.
It is hard not to give weight to the comment from Ian the Rhino given his competition history.
Great post!!
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You should consider her age and especially training age, mate. Absolutely possible she is natty, no question at all. If we go there, we would need to accuse @T3hPwnisher once again too. I personally enjoyed the whole jaw line thing, so I’m all for it.
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That’s that I was thinking.
I know stefi is not natty, Marisa seems natty
I was a bit quick on the trigger with my posting, I was referring to the Stefi pics where you can see a clear and significant change in facial features. I don’t think the pics of Marisa are conclusive one way or the other in her facial features.
However, top top top top fitness and BB competitors probably shouldn’t be given the benefit of the doubt. At least, I will not personally give them the benefit of the doubt. I am not making a morality judgement here, because I honestly don’t care who is on what. They still are putting in a shitload of work, and probably have major genetic advantages as well. In regards to someone like Pwn…I would take him at his word in large part because he doesn’t have much to gain by being dishonest about it. This is a forum where people openly talk about this sort of thing, there are few places safer. He has been building a huge work ethic over years, and that is the main contributor to his success. Whether or not he is on something seems irrelevant to me, unless he was giving people poor advice and misleading them. Which he absolutely isn’t.
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I used Pwn’s example as a kind of comedic overkill to make the point that people jump to conclusions rather quickly. I am well aware that he isn’t using steroids.
I agree in large parts with you, but I’m not as quick about accusing someone of steroid use personally. I know people on each end of the spectrum and it opened up my horizon on what’s possible without but also how common doping really is. You don’t even have to look the part or be super strong.
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I tend to go for “natty until proven otherwise” I figure that if I’m wrong, it’s better to not limit myself. I also seem to have above average genetics for strength. Even if I didn’t, I’d assume that to be the case to cut out an excuse
I honestly believe I could squat 3 plates at 47kg at some point if I keeping putting the work in.
I’m not exactly super strong but, girls who don’t lift have better legs than me
I feel the issue is a misunderstanding of which part is “the work”
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