Anna's Training Log Part 2 (Part 1)

I don’t understand this cos I’ve not followed this log (not because I’m not interested in your log, I’ve just never followed anyone’s log before. Seriously. Not even one unless he/she msgs or discusses stuff with me there about something and I read it temporarily. Actually, I did “follow” one but that was mostly to give the dude advice because others had given up on him but he still didn’t want to listen but he did make some progress so I don’t regret it although I was pretty disappointed.).

What is your actual eating disorder like?

I’m asking because you keep talking about and posting pictures of food in other threads while everyone else here is telling you to eat more. Hell, you even bring up much more caloric dense Chinese food than what I normally eat since Chinese people who have never lived in China generally use way, and I mean fucking WAY, less oil when cooking.

Or is it the overdoing of cardio? Are you chasing that thing called “runner’s high”? I’m sure you can get the same effect from some form of meditation or breath work like @The_Myth constantly talks about without the woo woo stuff. The breath work without the woo woo stuff is quite effective from what I’ve heard from people I know or work with.

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Actually, it’s quite funny when you think about it. All this Asian stuff gets taken to the West, filtered, reinterpreted and commercialized for the mass market, then comes back to us with modern day marketing and the new generation buys it lol.

Sure beats qigong, though. My wife still believes there are some people in China who have really mastered that crap and she’s a fucking math grad.

Lol, wut? Yikes, that’s the most ridiculous thing I have heard of in a long time.

I’m a foodie and seem to have some cooking ability. I cook for my family With that said, I don’t actually enjoy most of the stuff I make and cook for myself separately.

It’s funny because if I think hard enough about flavours and textures, I can literally taste them, including with alcohol (which I have never tried and never intend on trying)

Literally half of the “superfoods” or “adaptogens” are either in the wet market or in my mom’s herbal tea concoction :joy:

Yeah

Let me give you my take. Anna, feel free to express disagreement or outrage.

It’s like she’s terrified of carbs, or anything not on a short list of approved proteins that she likes and can binge while presumably telling herself, "well, but, protein. She eats some carbs, but they either go through a lengthly justification process or are forced by her mother. As for the meats, she loses control regularly and goes slightly above her desired calorie count, at which point the compulsive exercising ratchets up.

Anna gets over 30K steps a day as a full time student doing remote learning. She gets these through her workouts, but also apparently marches in place whenever possible. I would have to guess that she’s doing so, or some variation, for several hours a day.

At 19-20, Anna suffers from joint issues, amenorrhea, chronic stomach issues (IBS or some such) and, of course, has lost a kidney.

As a step comparison, I got just under 14K steps yesterday. It was the weekend, my husband is sick with Covid and barely moving and I’ve had anxious energy to burn. I ran a couple of miles in the morning, then took the (granted, old and slow) dog out maybe 4-5 times for various snowshoe tromps or walks, each of which was probably .5 mile as we’re working to build her tolerance for both the cold and the activity. I cleaned, loaded the wood box, got all the food and drinks everyone in the family consumed, made vegetable soup, unloaded the dishwasher, and put away laundry. In other words, a fairly active day for someone with a sedentary life (as a non-working student would have). 14K steps.

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Mostly right except

Not really. I eat chocolates and honey regularly. I just don’t like how I HAVE to eat starch. It’s the same reaction I have to the rule that says that carbs should be reserved exclusively peri workout. The rule is what pisses me off. The difference is that in the second case, there no one to enforce the rule so I willfully ignore it and eat honey before bed. Also, there’s so much conflicting views around carbs, I’m confused.

It doesn’t.

I still have both kidneys, the right one is permanently at 30% due to 17 years of uncontrolled hydronephrosis. The left is at around 80% due to having to compensate for the right

Believe it or not, the stomach issues have gotten a lot better since cleaning up the diet. I used to have extremely painful gas buildup that would keep me up at night at least once a week. Got so bad once that the doctor thought it was appendicitis

Just a few other comparisons:

I’ve worked 18.5 hour shifts doing manual labour before, and barely cracked the 30k steps mark.

30k steps a day is about the ballpark I’ve heard for people who are through hiking the Appalachian Trail and whose only purpose at that point in their life is to walk.

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The step thing is where I feel trapped. 27-30k/ day is unsustainable, but cutting dramatically would be a dramatic decrease in daily activity => lower tdee => get fat on less food.

@EmilyQ one argument I’ve heard a lot is to “just try it out, if you don’t like what you see, you could always go back” I don’t really buy this because I don’t trust that I can reverse

I’m actually of a slightly different mindset to other posters on here and I know they disagree strongly. I don’t see your step count as a problem in and of itself, although its far, far from productive. The danger is the mindset that’s making you do this, and the lack of adequate recovery. If someone with an already healthy endocrine system were to find time to walk 30k steps a day and fuel the recovery properly then I don’t see it especially damaging, just a bit silly. The issue I see comes from this bit:

You already know what I think here and I’m always wary of nagging. All I will say then is that its fairly clear by now that I don’t have the tools to help you here. I can’t reason you out of a position you didn’t reason yourself into. That’s where you need to rely on your therapist.

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Did you read the study I posted a week or so back?
It would suggest a decrease in activity would not decrease total body energy expenditure. Your body would use those calories on important body functions that are currently being pushed aside for exercise.

I don’t know, if you imagine yourself at 80 would the version of you that did those 18.5 hour shifts or the one getting 8-10k have the least ground up knees?

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I’ve told you in the past that if you wait until living circumstances make it unsustainable you have the stress of that circumstance and having to lower your activity simultaneously. If you do it now, you just have to deal with one stressor.

There is no spoon.

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Week 1: day 1

(2/side,3/side,5/side)x2-37lbs

  • completed the workout as written, the press was very hard and got HR up but really not as bad as expected. I think the unilateral part is making it much easier than intended by the original program
  • legs didn’t feel it at all, is this really enough lower body work? I’m doing the same amount of presses as squats with the same weight. This is a huge reduction in volume and intensity

It’s a quote from The Matrix. In the movie, it’s said to the main character, Neo, to explain to him that there is no reality in the Matrix, that he can manipulate that world to suite him.

In the context of the rules you said you hated, I’m trying to make the point that there are no hard and fast rules. The rules of weight training and health and fitness can be manipulated.

Jon Andersen doesn’t like carbs, but Stan Efferding disagrees. Mark Rippetoe (our Lord and Saviour) thinks the trap bar deadlift is stupid, but Jim Wendler disagrees. Some bodybuilders are successful with HIT, while others employ high volume.

All of them are successful, but if you only listened to one set of rules, you might be missing out on something that’s good. Don’t fall into the trap of “fitness rules”, because some things just won’t work for you.

There is no spoon.

Correction: you should be doing double the amount of squats as presses. Everything is done on one side per set, then repeated again.

This means you’re doing bilateral squats with the DB held in the rack position unilaterally on your right, then doing MORE bilateral squats with the DB held in the rack position unilaterally on your left. Per set, the squats are the same as presses, but they’re effectively doubled by repeating it on the other side, understand?

Also, this isn’t an intensity-driven program, which you’re going to need to grasp and understand, okay? It’s also primarily a press program. Strength through neurological adaptation and volume.

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Okay.
It just didn’t feel like my legs were working very hard at all, and it’s much less than what I was doing

Got it. I really care about my lower body though

I am 100% fully aware of this. It’s easier said than done, but don’t stress about it.

Look, if it’ll make you feel better, add an intensity modifier to the squats. Do an equal second pause count to the number of reps you’re doing. 1 rep of squats? 1 second pause. 3 reps? 3 second. Always EXPLODE forcefully out of the hole. Imagine trying to push the ground down 6 feet.

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Sounds good!

Just want to double check: you did this for presses, squats and cleans, correct?

Eg: 1 clean, 2 presses, 1 squat/side; 1 clean, 3 presses, 1 squats/side; etc etc

Then 1 clean, 1 press, 2 squats/side; etc etc

Correct?

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I did exactly what you wrote
including the timed rest stuff

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