[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
-
Why on earth are you bringing this into the discussion? Who said ANYTHING like that?
-
Where did I even mention drug use or lack thereof? You either completely misinterpreted what I was saying or your just want to argue about different topics.
-
Way to take that comment out of context. And that’s despite admitting you don’t even know what I meant by it.
-
No one is trying to argue that, or at least I’m not, so I still wonder why you are bringing this up.
-
At this point I could repost what you originally quoted from me, but I guess you’re going to miss what I mean again.
-
I think you forgot a word in there somewhere.
-
I do think veggie has way above average genetics for this. I will leave it at that however. Too easy to accidentally insult someone.
-
Your strawman again… That last sentence was completely unnecessary.
-
Ah, so she has been juicing heavily for 13 years with no physical signs in evidence. Hey whatever, gear is probably one area where you actually do know more than I do. Or at least I hope so.
-
Then don’t bring it up in response to me if it isn’t even what I discussed.
-
What is the point of this?
And what is the point of comparing someone who has been training all of 4 years with a hap-hazard diet (…) and from what I can tell (sorry…) rather average genetics to someone like Aneta who has been doing this for longer than I have? She did heavy farm work her entire life before she started training at age 16 or so, under guidance from the start most likely. She is 29 now.
I’ll just mention this again as you seem to have missed it the first time for some reason: I am not saying that she does not have above average genetics to boot.
Furthermore… Why drag the whole 500x15 incline thing in here?
Did I ever say I even half-way believed the claim that someone could do about 8 or 9 more reps with that weight, regardless of technique/form used, than the strongest incline benchers I know of/have seen?
Who the hell cares about drugs in that case, the whole premise is ridiculous in the first place! Is there even anyone doing that on the flat bench? (I know of no one, so here you can demonstrate your superior intelligence and tell me. And then you can stop with the patronizing crap. No one with even an inkling of what is being put up in gyms and competition around the world believed that claim.)
I did not share my opinion on that issue on the boards back then because I did not want to get dragged into yet another argument, but here we go…
[/quote]
-
Because, once again, you and others are trying to make the argument that, because outliers exist, everyone is capable of coming close to being an outlier.
-
Oh please, every time this discussion is had, it’s in reference to natural trainees.
-
Comment wasn’t taken out of context. You were inferring that powerlifting specific training is somehow detrimental to women for becoming very large and very strong. Not the case.
-
I was making a comparison, so that you could understand exactly what sort of strength levels we are discussing here. Obviously, we can’t talk directly about the feat at hand because you seem to think that a woman benching 300 lbs raw and deadlifting 550 lbs raw are relatively attainable goals for the average female at moderate/low body fat levels.
-
I got your point. Your point was that that level of strength is only world-class because most women don’t try hard enough or do the right things. And I’m saying that’s an asinine and uninformed position to take.
-
I did. Should have said “are not”.
-
She does. And she is what “above average” looks like for women. Veggie is 1-2 standard deviations from the norm and Aneta is 6.
-
Do you know what a strawman is? Hint: that wasn’t one. I’m somewhat agreeing with you that there would be more big and strong women out there if more women trained seriously. I’m heavily disagreeing with your assertion that those women would be more like Aneta than like CBear and Veggie. Once again, 2 standard deviations vs. 6.
-
Her being able to use larger than average amounts (for a female) without virilization is FAR more probable than what you are speculating.
Nice attempt at a sneaky ad hominem there, though. I obviously don’t know as much as you. Hold on, let me go change my profile information to say that I’m 275 lbs and 10% body fat and take down all pictures of me on this site. Ok, now we have an even playing field.
-
We both know that’s how these threads end up. Now that it’s out of the way, hopefully it won’t need to be addressed again.
-
This is the internet. There doesn’t need to be a point.
You’re saying that Aneta is above average in genetics, but implying that she is not 6 standard deviations from the norm above average. I’m calling horseshit on that and trying to illustrate how outright dumb that statement is by showing exactly how world-class her accomplishments are.
