I have been lifting weights for several years now and I’m looking to build more strength (lift heavier weight) so would Androgel or Alpha Male be better?
There seems to be some differing opinions here so I’d appreciate all of your input and if you have a good source please show that.
Thanks a lot guys.
Blood work?
Check these out too.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=899116
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1135091
[quote]T-Nick wrote:
Blood work?[/quote]
My T-level is 357 with the normal reference range from 170 to 780.
[quote]T-Nick wrote:
Check these out too.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=899116
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1135091
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1147892
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=824365[/quote]
Thanks for the links. After reading that article on Testosterone it looks like it would be a good idea to start with Alpha Male and see how it goes?
As posted above, my Testosterone level is 357 and the normal reference range for this lab is 170 to 780.
I have NEVER used Testosterone supplementation before so since the article recommendends for people with normal Testosterone levels to try Alpha Male I thought I’d see how that goes. If I don’t notice anything then I could try Androgel or something else, right?
Thanks again for all your feedback
Androgel
[quote]keaster wrote:
Androgel [/quote]
Is Alpha Male that bad??
In the links above, the first link has an article that recommends Alpha Male for people with normal Testosterone levels.
So, what have any of you heard about the benefits of Alpha Male?
[quote]Thundersnow wrote:
keaster wrote:
Androgel
Is Alpha Male that bad??
In the links above, the first link has an article that recommends Alpha Male for people with normal Testosterone levels.
So, what have any of you heard about the benefits of Alpha Male?
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Alpha Male is definitely the one to try initially. It should boost your production and numbers into the mid to high range. I am using Alpha Male right now coming off a prohormone cycle to boost my production back to optimum levels. I have also used it many times in the past and TRIBEX before Alpha Male was released and have always been satisfied with the results.
The benefits are it will keep production of test high, keep levels of free test (the good test) high, and minimize the harmful effects of progesterone. The following is taken from the article on Alpha Male and illustrates the importance of Vitex:
Vitex also works as an LHS, but it also acts as an anti-progesterone and anti-prolactin agent, lowering progesterone and prolactin. Progesterone and prolactin are particularly nasty hormones, in that they cause ? much more than estrogen ? storage of body fat and mental depression. Prolactin can even cause lactation in men. And, by lowering progesterone and prolactin ? just like lowering estrogen ? you’ll increase Testosterone through various feedback mechanisms.
So, in summary give Alpha Male a try it can and should be all you need to restore your testosterone to optimum levels. If after trying it you find you still have symptoms of low test you can then look into other more expensive and cumbersome treatments.
Good luck,
D
Alpha Male did not work for me. I took it for three months, as directed. Tested T levels did not change.
Also, you may want to check out this thread.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1236476&pageNo=0#1246599
Androgel is only available with a prescription and is VERY expensive. Alpha Male is readily available through Biotest and is reasonably priced.
Androgel will boost your testosterone more than Alpha Male, but it has some unpleasant side effects.
I’ve been using Alpha Male for about eight months. It works for me!
[quote]Thundersnow wrote:
T-Nick wrote:
Check these out too.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=899116
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1135091
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1147892
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=824365
Thanks for the links. After reading that article on Testosterone it looks like it would be a good idea to start with Alpha Male and see how it goes?
As posted above, my Testosterone level is 357 and the normal reference range for this lab is 170 to 780.
I have NEVER used Testosterone supplementation before so since the article recommendends for people with normal Testosterone levels to try Alpha Male I thought I’d see how that goes. If I don’t notice anything then I could try Androgel or something else, right?
Thanks again for all your feedback
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Couple more questions.
Your age?
Free Testosterone level?
I would start with Alpha Male. Give it a go full blast, and I would give it 8 weeks. Then get retested and PLEASE post your numbers up, alot of people here are curious.
A side note to all of this, I am going to be doing the exact same thing. I FINALLY am going in to the doctor to get blood work done(way overdue). Regardless of what my numbers come back as, Im going on Alpha Male and getting retested.
[quote]praterhaus wrote:
Androgel is only available with a prescription and is VERY expensive. Alpha Male is readily available through Biotest and is reasonably priced.
Androgel will boost your testosterone more than Alpha Male, but it has some unpleasant side effects.
I’ve been using Alpha Male for about eight months. It works for me! [/quote]
Actually, depending upon a few factors, Androgel can be cheaper. And side effects? Maybe a little rash on your arm, but thats about it.
[quote]T-Nick wrote:
Thundersnow wrote:
T-Nick wrote:
Check these out too.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=899116
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1135091
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1147892
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=824365
Thanks for the links. After reading that article on Testosterone it looks like it would be a good idea to start with Alpha Male and see how it goes?
As posted above, my Testosterone level is 357 and the normal reference range for this lab is 170 to 780.
I have NEVER used Testosterone supplementation before so since the article recommendends for people with normal Testosterone levels to try Alpha Male I thought I’d see how that goes. If I don’t notice anything then I could try Androgel or something else, right?
Thanks again for all your feedback
Couple more questions.
Your age?
Free Testosterone level?
I would start with Alpha Male. Give it a go full blast, and I would give it 8 weeks. Then get retested and PLEASE post your numbers up, alot of people here are curious.
A side note to all of this, I am going to be doing the exact same thing. I FINALLY am going in to the doctor to get blood work done(way overdue). Regardless of what my numbers come back as, Im going on Alpha Male and getting retested. [/quote]
I don’t know about my Free T-level. Do they check that automatically when your T-level is checked? If so, I’ll have to check with my doctor.
I’m 35 but look 25! I noticed that there is not much traffic in the over 35 section so posting here is better since there is more activity. Plus I’m not OVER 35 yet!
I got a question, in one of the links posted:
This is noted. With an AI like Anastrozole, it being said that it boosts free T so much it could be used as a means of testosterone replacement; Uhhh… Has anyone actually done this? How would you do it? Just take it (like about .25 - .5 mg ed) for a few weeks or a couple months and stop?! 
It’s like an anabolic cycle but backwards haha.
People seem to be making such a big deal about T-levels, saying things like “if you get your levels up to 600 from the 400 they are at now you’ll notice a difference”. If that were true, running a simple cycle of test-e 500mg per week would be a mind blowing experience. 500mg per week is roughly 10 times the amount of testosterone an average man produces in a week.
The truth is that 500mg is just about enough for you to actually feel something, and no supplement that gets you from 400 to 600 ng/dl is going to do a damn thing. Sorry. Androgel is probably your answer- you won’t see anything beyond your imagination (placebo) with 100 bottles of Alpha Male.
[quote]Thundersnow wrote:
I don’t know about my Free T-level. Do they check that automatically when your T-level is checked? If so, I’ll have to check with my doctor.
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Often free and total are checked. At life extension.org they suggest checking estrogen and free testosterone, implying that total test does not need to be tested.
I am thinking of trying to talk my HRT Doc to go that route and save the costs of the total T blood work.
[quote]RoidEnthusiast wrote:
People seem to be making such a big deal about T-levels, saying things like “if you get your levels up to 600 from the 400 they are at now you’ll notice a difference”. If that were true, running a simple cycle of test-e 500mg per week would be a mind blowing experience. 500mg per week is roughly 10 times the amount of testosterone an average man produces in a week.
The truth is that 500mg is just about enough for you to actually feel something, and no supplement that gets you from 400 to 600 ng/dl is going to do a damn thing. Sorry. Androgel is probably your answer- you won’t see anything beyond your imagination (placebo) with 100 bottles of Alpha Male. [/quote]
When say 500mg is enough for you to feel something about how much would that raise your T-levels? When you say running a simple cycle of test-e 500mg I assume you are talking about injectible steriods? But aren’t injectibles measured in CCs??
Are you saying 5 mg Androgel would be enough to feel a difference? If I take 5 mg Androgel every other day would I still notice some better strength gains as opposed to lifting weights without it?
I’d appreciate ALL of you to input again.
Thanks
I read that men produce between 2.5-11mg of test per day in thier bodies. I also read 4-7mg which is probably a more realistic range representing the norm. Do the math on that and you’ll see 500mg per week of steroids is about 10x normal healthy male testosterone production. How that breaks down to ng/dl I can only imagine, it’s probably insanely high. Point is, people take these doses for a reason. If you take too little you won’t gain crap.
It’s a waste of a cycle, money and gear. Androgel wasn’t designed with making gains in mind. It’s purpose is to get deficient men up to healthy levels. It’s not going to be like taking roids. As far as Alpha Male, saying this is probably going to get my post deleted again, but really, the little bit of difference in T-levels (if any)it would make is only going to be a fraction of what androgel would do. In other words, you won’t notice a thing.
If you want gains do a steroid cycle. If you’re deficient and just simply want healthy levels,(realizing it isn’t going to put 40 pounds on your bench or an inch on your arms) get some kind of HRT- like androgel.
[quote]RoidEnthusiast wrote:
I read that men produce between 2.5-11mg of test per day in thier bodies. I also read 4-7mg which is probably a more realistic range representing the norm. Do the math on that and you’ll see 500mg per week of steroids is about 10x normal healthy male testosterone production. How that breaks down to ng/dl I can only imagine, it’s probably insanely high. Point is, people take these doses for a reason. If you take too little you won’t gain crap.
It’s a waste of a cycle, money and gear. Androgel wasn’t designed with making gains in mind. It’s purpose is to get deficient men up to healthy levels. It’s not going to be like taking roids. As far as Alpha Male, saying this is probably going to get my post deleted again, but really, the little bit of difference in T-levels (if any)it would make is only going to be a fraction of what androgel would do. In other words, you won’t notice a thing.
If you want gains do a steroid cycle. If you’re deficient and just simply want healthy levels,(realizing it isn’t going to put 40 pounds on your bench or an inch on your arms) get some kind of HRT- like androgel. [/quote]
Someone who is used to doing fairly heavy steroid cycles is beyond the point of “feeling” anything from a natural test booster. Also, I nor anyone else has told you here that Alpha Male is going to put 40 pounds on your bench or an inch to your arms.
For guys who wish to stay natural and want to keep their production at optimum levels especially as they age Alpha Male is an excellent choice. There are numerous users who are beyond satisfied with what it delivers. Far too many for it to be written off as something that will offer you no benefit.
D