Androgel, General HRT Questions

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[quote]Raw Power wrote:
I’m having a hard time buying the notion that Synthroid adversely affects the gel absorption. I don’t have a thyroid anymore and I take Synthroid. I’m also taking Testim 5g (1 tube daily) along with Arimidex (1mg a week). My T4 and TSH levels are in range now. My total and free T levels are out of range on the high end.

I’ve never heard of this theory before. If there are studies out there I’d like to see them. Anyway, I guess reactions to Synthroid and the gels can vary from one person to the next. For me, it hasn’t been a problem. [/quote]

I wish I still had the links I used for the printouts I showed my previous doctor.
I believe there is a misunderstanding here, hypothyroid people as a rule are usually not good absorbers of the the T gel/cremes. Not Synthroid itself causing the problem, the low thyroid/adrenal suppressed issue being the problem.

Here’s an interesting point: you take T4 and your T4 levels are fine, that’s easy actually. What I want to know is where is your T3 level at? That’s the real question. I’m glad to hear your T levels are great and high too. Since everybody is different even with the same diagnosis, no two cases are the same. You are obviously one of the “responders” we don’t often hear about, most are not. I hope I settled the confusion…

KNB

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[quote]KNB wrote:

Here’s an interesting point: you take T4 and your T4 levels are fine, that’s easy actually. What I want to know is where is your T3 level at? That’s the real question. I’m glad to hear your T levels are great and high too. Since everybody is different even with the same diagnosis, no two cases are the same. You are obviously one of the “responders” we don’t often hear about, most are not. I hope I settled the confusion…

KNB[/quote]

I don’t know what my T3 levels are. I only know what my TSH ultra sensitive and free T4 levels are. I figured after I had my thyroid taken out earlier this year my doctor would have done the full panel, but he didn’t except for the two mentioned above.

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[quote]KNB wrote:

Yes it can be purchased w/o a script and I even found a place. I have a script for my T, and HCG, and adex too. Is it “illegal”, hmmm, if it is for research purposes, no. Otherwise, well maybe. If you have liquid adex, and you’re asking legal questions, you already know the answer…[/quote]

I’ve had a vasectomy so I guess it doesn’t matter if I have the HCG. It’s my understanding that is the purpose of HCG…to keep one producing and hopefully reproducing. I don’t have testicle pain or much shrinkage despite being on Testim for over a year. I guess I am one of the lucky ones.

However, I did find that my E2 levels went up. My doctor refused to order the blood test to check it so I did my own blood test. I also don’t have a script for liquid Adex either. I’ve heard that there may be issues with this especially when traveling. I guess I’ll find out soon enough. I’d still be curious as to where you found the HCG.

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[quote]nc maniac wrote:

You poor bastard. Welcome to Hell.

The 5 grams will be cancelled out by your own body decreasing its output, because your doctor didn’t put you on HCG. He will ignorantly up the dose to 10 grams when the good feelings you’ll soon get go away. You’ll then progress to shots and wonder why nothing works.

Your E2 will shoot up but your doc won’t even be testing for that. You need Arimidex and HCG, but he’ll dismiss those things as ‘pseudo-science’. You’ll soon then believe that all this TRT stuff is a con game invented by money-hungry doctors, when in fact they are simply ignorant.

Yep, welcome to Hell, buddy.

Note: to escape from Hell, read everything written by KSMan on this site.

HeadHunter, I’ve only been on here a short time, but already getting the jist of what you are saying. I hope you can answer some of my questions or at least give me advice on how to proceed. Like I said in an earlier post my Dr. works out at my gym. He is a good guy, but I believe you are right in that he probably doesn’t have alot of knowledge in this arena.

He told me he only has a handful of people on HRT now. I’m a little hesitant to question him at this point after only 5 days. So proceeding ahead can you advise me on some of my questions.

  1. First and foremost will my testicles begin to shrink? I know it may sound stupid, but I never used AAS so I’m clueless about what I’m getting ready to go through.

  2. How long should I give the Androgel to work?

  3. At what point do I introduce the subject of Arimidex and HCG to him?
    Thanks in advance.[/quote]

Your testes will shrink, as the need for them to do what they do declines. They shut off in proportion to the T you introduce from outside. You need HCG, like, NOW.

Androgel can take 3 weeks to 3 months to work (Solvay rep). Your balls will then shrink and you’ll be about back to where you were before.

You are basically screwed unless you can find a doctor who knows wtf he’s doing.

Here: www.allthingsmale.com

Worth the plane flight for me.