hey
Im posting this just for the threads sake, to make that somewhat complete, with something to read for those who are interested.
found a cool article by accident, and thought of that thread.
and this
and this:)
triedandtruefitness.com/the-godfather-of-progressive-resistance/
[quote]Kanada wrote:
[quote]deit23 wrote:
guys you are getting off topic.Yes the average ancient greeks did not eat so much meat but we are talking about ancient greek athletes here.And I assure you they ate a LOT of meat.Some of them even did a meat only diet.The puspose of this thread is not to prove anything about greeks but to show the methods they used back then lol.
The thread is about TRAINING history not just history.Yes Ancient Greeks were awesome and did a lot of great things but who cares.What matters is what we are doing today and today this country is completely f@c%#d up.
And for god’s sake read some history books.Macedonia and Epirus were (and are) Greek they just didn t make a big impact like Athens and Sparta until Alexander The Great.So please end it here and only post things about their training or diet…
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You make a stronger arguement than I had expected. Yes, we should understand that the olympics were the elite of the elite, hence why kings and such did compete, there was a lot of meat in a aristocratic diet, or if an athlete was successful he was treated much like a football player (american or global footy) is today. Macedon was kind of Greek, but it was also Thracian, Dacian, Romanian (there is a joke in that sentence) but to say it was Greek just because the aristocracy was influenced by Greek (city state) culture is to much of a stretch. Similarly, Epirus was also not of the Greek descent, but was a close neighbour. We wouldn’t say that Etruscans and Romans were the same, despite living in the same peninsula.
Given alll that…
Hoplite warfare is brutal. Heavy armor if you are lucky meant that significant muscle development was present. Battles were often short affairs, in many historians estimation, and one side would quickly gain a dominant position. I would need to read more Thucyclides though. The act of holding a dory, or holite spear, would have conditioned the arms to strenuous loads, and the “relative” lack of beasts of burden combined with unfriendly soil gave Greeks a hardy constituency. There just isn’t anything to special, they had big boys and little ones, the more food you got the better, the actively trained even when at peace, their armies practiced discipline, the relished athletics. I mean, I am still waiting for a primary source to purvey, or for anyone to cite any ancient author as the source for their allegation. I have done so many times (though only anecdotally, I paraphrase), and I will post a history of the Illyrians and Epirus in a short time.[/quote]
My family tree dates back to the mid 1200’s, which shows Etruscan roots, but I was born in Rome.
Got the best of both worlds.
Also, the same way that Greeks say they invented the world, the Romans say the same exact thing.
My father used to say that there were 2 types of people in the world, Italians, and those who wish they were.
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