Is there any protocol how to take oral only AAS for short time to test your tolerance/ consequences?
f.ex. one week only, then do blood test on how it affects you and how you could take the natural hormones shutdown and then recover…
I knew alcoholic persons, they faded slowly over years, becoming very weak, vomiting, having dillited blood and nose bleedings and finally died, cause being too weak…
But not sure if the liver was main cause of death, they do not look yellow skin and yellow eye whites as ppl with liver diseases
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What about the red blood cells increase and can u use AAS as a booster to that?
Does the effect completley dissapear when you stop taking the drug (as the muscle gain) ?
I suspect I have low red blood cells. In some exercise the breathing/ oxygene was kind of limiting factor as well.
F.ex. when I was able to do 10 pull ups, i was going out of breath for such an …anaerobic exercise.
Squats as well, going to very heavy breathing.
For aerobics (I can only do some biking) it is an issue for sure.
When I have my legs fresh and recovered, my peak performence (some kind of interval sprints) is limited by lack of breath.
One, just to make sure you’re not getting fat from having a hormone issue. Two, to establish a baseline, should you choose PEDs, so you can see if you’ve recovered.
FT above IS free Testosterone. If you have low T the FSH/LH will establish whether primary or secondary.
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Why suspect? Do you have a family doctor?
A very common blood test taken for annual checkups includes a test where it is looked whether you have anemia.
So you are considering taking Anadrol because you might have anemia???
Either get a medical degree or stop diagnosing yourself. The above is good information to shared with your doctor. Any number of things could be the cause. It could be an issue with your heart. I assure you of one certainty. Your doctor is going to listen to your concerns and will do some tests. The doctor is not going to say, “I see what you are saying. You might have anemia. Let’s get you on a course of Anadrol to build your hemoglobin.”
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Yep it does. I like Anadrol before a workout, great mind-muscle connection. But that was long with test, which was the basis of my cycle. Anadrol was just the cherry on top.
That was just one example I was pointing to where Anadrol-50 was prescribed. From Wikipedia: It is also used to treat osteoporosis, HIV/AIDS wasting syndrome, and to promote weight gain[6] and muscle growth in certain situations
The point I’m trying to make is that I don’t believe that anadrol is as deadly to the liver as once believed. However, I appreciate the extra caution that 70’s bodybuilders took towards their health that is clearly being ignored in today’s modern times.
Well this is just silly and is clearly not backed by real science. If a pill helps you build lean muscle mass then it clearly enhances your strength which is the basis for any athletic ability.
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What is real science? It is silly to compare the science known today against the science known in in the past. Also, take into consideration that much “science” considered valid is influenced by politics. (Do you recall the political [religious] push back that the Copernican Theory received?)
You are just too young to realize how few people were taking AAS in the 1970’s. How many researchers do you suppose were testing the “athletic” benefit of AAS in the 1970’s in the USA? The politics was to help prevent our youth from using AAS. In the PDR case, it was to alert doctors, who might prescribe AAS, that steroids would not help improve the users athletic ability.
Many decades ago “science” determined that saturated fats were harmful and a cause of heart disease. They then favored the use of Crisco in place of butter and lard. There is some more nice “follow the science” for you. When I was growing up in the 1950’s and 1960’s most every household cook was using Crisco.
I actually was highly criticized by interns and residents at a teaching hospital where my wife was a respiratory therapist because I ate 7 eggs for breakfast every morning. They said that my cholesterol would be extremely high. More “follow the science” hogwash.
As you can see, I have little confidence in the absolute truth of “science.” Do you understand the scientific method? It is one iteration after another to get closer to the true science. But all you have is the current science, at best.
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I’m not really interested in getting into a debate about what is or isn’t real science because after ten posts going back and forth both of us will arrive to the same conclusion: that much what we call science and scientific evidence hasn’t been vetted through the actual process and is misused and abused by political, religious and other corporate lobbies to give their agendas a semblance of legitimacy. That’s why you put the word real in quotation marks and I in italics. We are both skeptics.
All I’m trying to say is that current evidence which consists of thousands of sick people being treated by Anadrol-50 shows that liver toxicity could be a side effect but is not as prevalent as it was made out to be.
It seems to me that you are looking at Anadrol-50 liver toxicity as over stated, when in fact it is the lesser of two evils when dealing with HIV and AIDS patients.
If a bodybuilder dies before reaching 70 years of age, most say AAS were the cause of his shortened life. But if an AIDS patient dies in his mid 30’s, the cause of death is AIDS. No one would think otherwise. The possibility that liver failure might have caught up with him in his late 50’s is extremely insignificant.
Surely, you are not of the opinion that Anadrol has less liver toxicity than any of the other oral anabolic steroids?
No, of course not. It’s definitely more toxic than anavar or proviron, less toxic than halo, superdrol and cheque drops. I’m mainly comparing it to dianabol and I think the two are relatively equal to their toxicity, looking at it gram per gram.
I would tend to agree, though I have no knowledge that either have been compared as to liver toxicity.
Back to my original thought if they are identical, Dianabol (CIBA) was made in 2.5mg and 5mg per tablet and Anadrol-50 only came in 50mg per tablet. And I never took more than 25mg/day of Dianabol (spread over the day to help to flatten the curve.)
Because Anadrol only came in 50mg per tablet and I would never recommend taking more than 25mg of Dianabol per day, if a person wants to try Anadrol I would only recommend taking it no longer than three weeks.
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Thanks for advices again.
I guess, my ‘condition’ with red blood cells is not anemia, but low VO2Max, so the healthiest and sane way to improve it is training on this. I read smth like 1/2 mile up to 1 km run and trying to improve your time is a good way to work on vo2max.
Not sure what is the biking equivalent of this.
I dont have hormone/ blood tests yet, but for the sake of the topic research, I found this:
- SHORT CYCLES - various info....
The author describes as a short cycle 2 weeks, to maximum 4 weeks.
BUT, it includes injectables and the author dislikes water retention drugs, so dbol/ anadrol is out of scope…
In general he talks about trenbolone + anavar, no water retention, keeping short cycles, lower gains (and no bloating), staying more or less lean with smaller gains on short cycles.
Unfortunatelly, I cannot get pharma grade anavar. As far as I know in my country one can obtain real anadrol (anapolon) and deca (injectable) from neighbouring countries.
All oral steroids are probably dilluted/ empty batches, stanozolol (winstrol) at best, regardles the naming (turinabol, anavar, e.t.c.).
Anything but stanozolol is exotic, worst case is you get dbol instead of non-androgenic drug you think you have bought…
What do you think of ultra short cycles wiht anadrol?
lets say 10 days on, 20 days off (a month)
f.ex. a box of anapolon can make 4 such ‘cycles’ in 4 months at 25 mg/day
10 days is half the 3 weeks - your proposed guess.
Goals - change in body composition.
Improved muscle and reduced fat, staying about the same weight or dropping few pounds, depend on how I would manage my diet.
I guess - if I tolerate well the drug and stay about my regular maintenance calories, I will keep the same weight or will lose a bit, since the drug boosts metabolism and energy expenditure.
Training and the anabolic property of the drug will improve muscle and reduce some fat.
p.s. I never used aas before and I am bellow my genetic potential, unless my potential is very low 
My reasoning back when I was competing is a little complex on why and when I would use Anadrol. Consider that the only medical advice available for using AAS was a PDR (Physician’s Desk Reference) which had all the drugs available in the USA. All else was based on knowledge of pharmaceuticals in general, bro-science, and personal experience.
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I believed that anabolic binding sites became desensitized over time of bombarding them with AAS. I combated this two ways. Running not long cycles, usually 8 weeks. If I ran a 12 week cycle, I would increase the amount of AAS in the 7th week of the cycle. (my strength gains began to plateau after 6 or 7 weeks, so greater concentration of AAS seemed to help a little.)
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I also believed that our bodies downregulated when using the same drug over time. I would switch the oral AAS I was using, and the injectable anabolic on the 7th week.
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The problem with Anadrol was two-fold. It was a water retainer, so it was out of the question 6 weeks out from a show. Secondly, it was high dose compared to the the other oral AAS, so it was already a high dose, weakening my anabolic binding sites. That was one of the reasons I was okay with only running a 3 week duration of Anadrol.
10 days on, 20 days off would be okay if you are not totally off of all AAS, to meet my purpose of adding muscle. I will say it would be interesting what 10 days on a single oral AAS, followed by 20 days off, would yield over a period of a year. I believe the disappointing side is that you would just notice the gains of Anadrol on the last day you would be taking it. Maybe 3 weeks on followed by 3 weeks off would be more satisfying.
Your tolerance for Anadrol would be critical.
What about the ‘half life’ of the drug - would 20 days be enough to clean up and see what happens to your natural hormones state?
IF 10 days on, respectively 21 days on, shuts your natural testestosterone completely/ significantly (i dont know…)
I will be totally off any kind of aas during the off period.
This is related to the protection/ restore drugs - what about tamoxifen 10 mg from the begining on androl?
- possible gyno protection which might be a quirk of anadrol, despite it does not aromatize
- possible relieve on the natural hormone state, so it does not shut off completely in a short cycle (10-21 days)
If trying 10 days cycle, would 10 days in the off time be enough on tamoxifen (still minimum dose of 10 mg).
If trying 21 days cycle, how to use tamoxiphen alongside…
For the liver - very light aids (liv52, milk thistle oil) to see how it is going…
For cholesterol - more consistent omega 3 intake…
Too many unknowns is what made me think of an ultra-short cycle tryout in the first place…
Other reason is water retention, I don’t want too much of that.
5-9 hours half life, it means, the next day I stop it the body has to start dealing with test. balance naturally?
So do I have to stay the whole off time on tamoxifen (if I would repeat the ‘cycle’), or if the drug is taken for 10 days, 10 days off + tamoxifen should be enough…
Or no-one can say unless I try it myself… 
I am finding that the half-life of Anadrol is 8 to 9 hours. Let’s say 8 hour half-life. That means that in 24 hours only 12.5% of the drug is still working after you cease Anadrol and 1.5% remains after 48 hours. You would be practically off Anadrol after 2 days from the last pill.
I know nothing about using tamoxifen, other than I wouldn’t take it if I could avoid it. If you don’t seem to need it, I wouldn’t recommend taking it. In fact, I dropped testosterone back to 200mg/wk, because more than that gave me gyno symptoms. I didn’t fight it with tamoxifen.
Anadrol doesn’t aromatize. Tamoxifen is not needed during cycle likely , I think he was referring to PCT.
I have no experience here for PCT with only 3 weeks “off.” Would it even be worth doing? Maybe HCG would be better.