Hey all, so I’m doing a 16 week cycle of Test E 500 mg per week with 6 weeks of Anadrol 100 mg every day. Today is day 4 and I did my second injection (ventroglute) and the injection site started bleeding. I’ve read where a drop or two of blood is nothing to worry about, but mine was basically like a nosebleed out of my a** lol, to the point where it was dripping on the floor. My question is if I lost a significant amount of the product when I bled, and if I should inject another 250 mg just incase.
Hey, you’re that young guy with like, amazing, otherworldly lifting stats, I don’t remember what they were but can’t you squat like 750 or something. Anyhow it sounds like you hit a vein/ blood vessel, I’ve done this a few times but that’s because I’m not careful and I don’t particularly care if I bleed. How deep are you injecting, are you injecting at an angle? Explain step by step how you perform an intramuscular injection, you can inject more if you want to, however I personally wouldn’t.
My question for you is, why dose so high on your first cycle, you are doing 1.2 GRAMS of gear weekly and this is your first cycle! Also 16 weeks is fairly long for a first if not on TRT, where’d you get that arbituary number, was 13.45348 weeks not enough? Anadrol, 100mg is… highish, you may want to look into donating blood during and after cycle. Keep an eye on blood pressure too, if you’re powerlifting, are you looking for a specific weight class, because if you’re looking to maintain or cut down anadrol may not be the best choice.
You’ll get a ton of cycle chances in the future, why not get the most out of just test while you still can?
Well, as far as injecting goes, I only aspirate on quad injections. With glutes, I swab the injection site with an alcohol prep pad, stick the needle (25g 1”, I’m quite lean) in slowly, and inject about 1 mL per 30 seconds.
This isn’t my first time injecting, as I tried a simple Test E 250 mg cycle when I first turned 16, but cut it short at like 4 weeks (not long enough to get any benefit out of it whatsoever) due to severe aggression problems.
I’ve run a 5 weeker of M1T (Methyl-1 Testosterone) at 50 mg per day. I never get any estrogen-related side-effects, partly due to my body-fat always being low (currently around 7%), hence why I’m running Anadrol at 100 mg ED with no AI or Anti-E, unless of course I start to feel estrogen-related sides.
If I end up on TRT I’d be quite fine with it, as I’m already prepared to blast and cruise for the rest of my life if need be.
50mg of M1T is an insane dose man, I wouldn’t even touch that shit with a ten foot pole, anecdotal evidence suggests it’s quite hepatotoxic as well as toxic to the kidneys and various other organs as well as the entire cardiovascular system. As to your 250mg/wk cycle at 16, I highly doubt that was the cause of your aggression issues (althought it might’ve been) data shows that generally high doses of testosterone has minimal to no impact on aggressive behaviour in healthy young men. Teenagers just tend to be angry, I was much more hostile and aggressive when I was 12-13 than I am now, I believe it has some thing to do with puberty and a lack of impulse control that most teenagers have.
The reason you didn’t get estrogenic side effects from running M-1-T was because M-1-T (methyldihydroboldenone) is incapable of aromatising, anadrol (oxymetholone) in theory should be incapable of aromatising however it possesses significant estrogenic activity, and the cause of this estrogenic activity remains a mystery. Either way I don’t reccomend running an AI, with oxymetholone, if the estrogenic activity isn’t from a conversion to estrogen (which oxymetholone doesn’t convert to estrogen as it is impossible for a dihydrotestosterone related compound to be aromatised to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme meaning a regular AI probably won’t help, also I don’t advocate AI usage unless one can’t get relief from a SERM first. Anadrol probably binds to estrogen receptors and/ or somehow has estrogenic activity, if the estrogenic activity of oxymetholone is caused by estrogen receptor binding then a SERM like tamoxifen should help counteract estrogenic side effects by binding to and stopping the actions of estrogens at estrogen receptors.
I’m not going to tell you to stop, you’ve ran AAS before (although oral only cycles generally aren’t recommended as it leaves the individual in a hypogonadal state throughout the entire cycle and post cycle… unless said oral is halotestin or methyltestosterone, those two should sustain adequate androgenicity but still I wouldn’t recommend it.), although I don’t think you should be using AAS at your age unless you have a legitimate shot of becoming a professional athlete or for some unlikely reason are on TRT already. However, from what I remember you have some absolutely insane lifting stats and if you respond well to AAS you have a decent shot at becoming a professional athlete.
However I would like you to be as educated as possible as to the possible future consequences you may endure, chronic, high dose AAS intake (say 1.2 grams per week…) may cause myocardial dysfunction over prolonged periods and predispose you to an increased risk of lethal arrythmias over time (or not, but I think serious abuse will definitely cause problems), prolonged use or oral AAS may cause liver damage, typically in the form of acute cholestasis or jaundice and is reversible although extremely rarely you may develop liver tumors or hepatocellular carcinoma. Kidneys will take strain from orals, orals will accererate the process of atherosclerosis pre-disposing you to heart attacks at a younger age. Whether AAS stunts growth or not remains controversial, as certain (predominantly non-aromatising) AAS have actually been used to increase final adult height in kids with short stature, results from these trials have been conflicting, however there is legitimate evidence to say oxandrolone and fluxymesterone may actually increase final adult height, doses of fluoxymesterone went up to .22mg/kg, that’s actually a respectable amount, the anabolic effect of anabolic steroids stimulates linear bone growth while the estrogenic effects (and partially the androgenic effects will accelerate growth plate closure). If your family has a genetic history of heart attacks, cardiomyopathy, wolff parkinsons disease, high blood pressure or any other genetic heart abnormality you are going to want to get checked out as it is not advisable to use AAS with a heart problem (although you could, it just makes it much riskier… I would probably still use if I found out I had a heart problem (but I don’t, recently got an ECG everything is fine))
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Thank you for the information! I’ve been researching AAS and PEDs for about 4 years and made sure I knew what I was doing before I ever started. As far as this Anadrol goes, I’m beginning to believe it may be bunk (I ordered from a different vendor this time, due to my primary vendor going on vacation) considering that I’m on day 6 at 100 mg per day and not feeling anything. I’ve been pushing as hard as I can in the gym and I’m starting to receive diminishing returns as my body isn’t recovering. I’m going to up the dose to 200 mg per day for about 2-3 days to see if I feel anything, and if not then I can guarantee it’s fake.
Sometimes the shit just bleeds. It’s no big deal.
Wait until your first squirter! And yes I am still talking about injections
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If your decision to take AAS since the age of 16 turns out in your favor - and that’s a big if, because that’s fuckin crazy - everything you have said on this forum will be linked to your Instagram, and therefore your name, forever. Your stats are insane, and I wish you luck, but you probably shouldn’t have posted your Instagram to a forum where you discuss using steroids (and weirdly enough, where you told another 18 year old kid not to use them because it would discredit their abilities as a trainer), not if you achieve any sort of fame as an athlete and don’t want people knowing you’re assisted. If you don’t care about that, then no problem, besides the fact that TRT isn’t necessarily a cure for all the problems that arise from AAS use.
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yea, for cardiovascular issues that may arise from (mostly prolonged C-17AA use, but also harsher injectables tren) we have stents, beta blockers (nasty drugs), anticoagulants, heart transplants (with a lifetime of unpleasant immunosuppressive drug medication post-transplant), kidney transplants, liver transplants. abuse (like running 500mg test/wk and 1-200mg of anadrol/day for a first cycle) makes long term complications far more likely, yet probably not particularly common. Another great cure from severe complications is the sweet release of death (YES, ABOUT TIME) (don’t take it seriously, that one was a joke). You do need to be careful tho, take support supps, get adequate cardiovascular exercise, only eat unhealthy foods twice a da… I mean week, seriously though diet will play a big role as to how much harm is done as a bad diet, with or without AAS can cause vastly increased overall mortality rates with regards to cardiovascular disease.
How tall are you? I will leave you with this
nachos because your username is teennacho @teennacho
I haven’t had nachos in YEARS dammit
Edit: to your drol being bunk, did you purchase it from a reputable UGL or was it pharm grade. Many pharm grade products have really good looking fakes, many UGL products are underdosed (or are nothing at all), if you want to invest a small amount of money to make sure whether what you have is actually what you intended to buy labmax it, if it comes up as nothing write up a bad review about the supplier on a DIFFERENT board, this helps people who use weed out bad suppliers and helps the whole bodybuilding community in general.
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Due to the fact that it’s had a positive impact on your life, and the fact that AAS have been demonized for a while now, you have a habit of showing up and downplaying the negative effects of steroids to people who have no business taking them whatsoever. Make no mistake - steroids can absolutely be beneficial, they can be taken with virtually no side effects whatsoever, and any negative effects have long been exaggerated by the media. But your affinity for them is blinding your judgement - it’s like watching someone walk into an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting and proclaiming that red wine is rich in antioxidants. There’s a reason that reputable and honest endocrinologists won’t just throw people on a TRT protocol just because of low T - messing with the endocrine system is risky and can have permanent repercussions. There’s a time and a place for the defense of steroids, but you don’t need to show up to every thread where a young impressionable person is being warned of the possible side effects of AAS and subtly argue that maybe it’s not a big deal. You’re extraordinairily intelligent, and you’re not exactly wrong in your defense, but I hope you can understand that there’s a time and a place for taking a moral stand on subjects like this, and this is not the time, or the place.
You’re right, looking back at this I’m probably not being a great influence. My case isn’t exactly a common one and many young people can have legitimate, long lasting repercussions from AAS use. Being dependant on weekly injections for the next 60-70 years isn’t exactly a nice scenario to have to deal with (unless the individual for some reason has like… a fetish for needles), nor is the thought of potentially impaired fertility, issues when crashing (post-cycle, which teenagers should theoretically be more sensitive too as teenagers tend to be more emotional in general). I will promptly remove any encouraging material I may have posted, however it will probably still be viewable
I apologise and in the future I will aim to have more unbiased, neutral commentary among threads where young people wish to use anabolic steroids, or I’ll just stay out of it completely.
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I should add that you continually impress me with your maturity. I invite you to disagree with me, and hope your response is not due to some arbitrary age difference between us. You should also not remove anything you’ve said before, as all of it was coherent, insightful, and thought-provoking. I know that the one endo on here (that I know of) respects and supports you, so there’s no reason to remove anything you’ve said.
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My response was not related to some age related difference, it was because I legitimately agreed with you, it is rather irresponsible of me to give advice to a teenager if it is related to the encouragement of said teenager using AAS. I don’t know the person’s history, medical background or whether said individual knows safe injection practices or what to do if something goes wrong. These are things that should be vital for me to know before I advise anyone on anything. To add to the situation here is the fact that I am not a medical professional or pharmacist therefore I am not qualified to give advice on drugs (although it’s by far the most likely career I’ll have as an adult… medicine not pharmacy). When I said I was removing anything that was encouraging of AAS, I wasn’t referring to all previous posts, I was referring to this particular thread.
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All in all, even though my opinion is probably quite biased, I feel that @unreal24278 is just trying to make the best out of an unfortunate situation (a young individual, like I, taking PEDs) or at least diminish the negative impacts that I may face from my decision. I’m pretty sure he is aware that I’m not going to stop taking what I’m taking, and is just trying to educate me as much as possible so that I can “somewhat” go about this in a safe/healthy manner.
As far as long-term health consequences or public reputation goes, I plan on just making the most of what I can at this prime stage in my life, as I honestly don’t expect to live past the age of 35/40. I can’t speak from experience, but personally my quality of life would more than likely start to diminish as I leave my mid-twenties, so I’d rather go out with a Big Bang
Edit: With the Anadrol, I thought about just buying a home test-kit to see if there’s even any hormone in it whatsoever. I know it won’t tell me the exact dose (as it could very well be underdosed), but it’ll at least give me an idea
@unreal24278 @flappinit great posts guys.
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This statement concerns me, what circumstance has caused you to come to this conclusion. Typically when teenagers say this it’s a cop out (excuse) to do irresponsible things. Are you in ill health? Do you have a genetic predisposition for various conditions? Are you a drug addict? Are you mixed up in the wrong crowd, this is the easiest and hardest one to fix at the same time. While it may seem scary to disassociate from those who could potentially do you harm, even if they’re your friends, family or whatever, but it’s a hell of a lot better than winding up dead or in prison.
Given you say your quality of life would diminsh after your 20s I’m assuming you have a genetic predisposition to some sort of condition such as cardiomyopathy, if that is the case then… I don’t know what to say, just be careful.
As for sterile injecting practices, this may seem pretentious and annoying however it’s worth it in the long run as it drastically reduces the chance of you getting an infection from improper and unsterile injection practices. With UGL grade gear there’s always going to be that risk of injecting an unsterile product as the gear isn’t manufactured with the same strict, sterile conditions pharma grade gear is made from. However typically the body will be able to fight off any infection that comes your way, to further reduce the chance of an infection at the site of injection you need alcohol swabs. After you’ve drawn up your test take an alcohol swab and… Swab the area you wish to inject. Aspirate the needle and push it in at a slight angle. Pull the plunger back, if there’s blood, pull the needle out and try again. If possible wear gloves during procedure, sanitation is very important. Remember I’m not encouraging you to do this, however like you said I’m aware you are going to use PED’s regardless of what we say therefore id rather see you do it in a fashion that is as safe as possible so you can minimise any potential harm done.
How much cardiovascular exercise do you get
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I haven’t been diagnosed so I’m not going to say that I have it, as there are many people out there claiming they have it just for attention, but I’ve had quite a healthy list of symptoms related to depression since I was about 13. At my last doctor’s appointment about 3-4 weeks ago my GP had a very heartwarming conversation with me, saying that she could just “tell” that I was suffering from depression (I don’t know how, I didn’t tell her anything lol) and could also tell from my heavily scarred forearms from when I was like 14 (I was a messed up kid haha). She offered to put me on prescriptions for depression, but I declined and she said I could just come talk to her whenever I wanted to. My main reason for being there though was that both of my eyes were filled with blood and I was having about 3-4 heavy nosebleeds per day, probably from increased RBCs/hematocrit from M1T, as my blood pressure was never out of unhealthy range. But yeah, that’s why I don’t have what some what consider a healthy outlook on how long I plan to live.
I follow safe injection practices, swabbing everything down, clean hands, changing needles if I have to pull one out for some reason, etc. I’ve never had any infections or anything, it’s just that I don’t aspirate when it comes to sites like glutes and delts. I’m stopping this cycle cold turkey, as I’ve come to the conclusion that the Anadrol is completely fake (took 1g yesterday), so I also don’t trust the Test E to be legitimate. I’ll be ordering from my primary vendor next weekend, as he’s back from vacation and I can trust him 100%. I only ordered from this last source because I was in a hurry to start a cycle and my primary vendor took like a month long vacation. Kind of sucks that all of my product is bunk and I wasted money, but I guess that’s what I get for being way too eager.
I never do cardiovascular exercise, at least not until I’m maybe 8 weeks out from a bodybuilding show.
You’re probably going to want to get the depression sorted out before you jump on AAS, anabolic steroids, (some more than others “cough tren cough cough”) will alter the balance of various neurotransmitters and 19-nors are known to deplete dopamine. This could make your depression worse, If you’re gonna cycle now which I really don’t think you should I’d just use the test, testosterone typically makes people feel good and apparently raises dopamine. Saying you aren’t going to live past 40 because you are depressed is a very short sighted way of looking at things, if you’re so depressed you want to kill yourself I’d suggest checking into psychiatric care under suicide watch.
M1T didn’t give you nosebleeds due to increased RBC/ hematocrit, I doubt 5 weeks isn’t enough to cause polycythemia, but M1T is very strong so you never know. M1T is notorious for causing nosebleeds, so is superdrol (dimethyldrostanolone), anadrol (oxymetholone) and most harsh DHT derived orals, stay away from designers, they aren’t researched at ALL (unlike ones that have been used in clinical settings, which have been… slightly researched). I’m not sure what caused the nosebleeds, what is your baseline BP, if you have a BP of 90/60 and it shot up to 135/85 that’s a big difference.
The fact that your eyes were filled up with blood is scary shit man, and it should be enough to make you stop and think before taking anadrol on you’re first cycle. Seriously, even if it was bunk, taking 1 GRAM of anadrol to “test it out” is one of the most irresponsible things I’ve heard someone say on this forum, if you want to continue taking anadrol and you get from your new source, start at 50mg/day, actually preferably 25mg/day, anadrol is strong, strong shit and it needs to be respected, it’s about the only oral anabolic steroid directly linked to the development of hepatocellular carcinoma.
Cardiovascular exercise is important for overall health, strength training promotes predominantly concentric left ventricular hypertrophy, aerobic exercise promotes eccentric left ventricular hypertrophy. I assume you know about the different types of left ventricular hypertrophy as anyone who is using steroids ought to know about that, also aerobic endurance is just important in general, it lowers blood pressure, blood cholesterol and provides a host of other benefits. Go for hikes/ long walks, run, swim etc.