Muah.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You can kiss my black anaconda.[/quote]
lol. WTF?! Prof. X is getting exclusive flavors now?
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
It’s no secret that the most influential people on the board are just that because they post as often as they do.[/quote]
You claim here that influence depends upon post frequency.
So, according to your logic, someone who makes 1000 garbage posts has more influence than someone who makes 100 good posts.
What’s ‘no secret’ is that your claim is crap.
That in your world quantity > quality shows why you don’t understand how influence and bias are generated.
I clearly explained why this is wrong. What’s ‘no secret’ is that repeating myself is unlikely to help help, and that you’re not worth that effort even if this were not the case.
[quote]Nick Danger wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
It’s no secret that the most influential people on the board are just that because they post as often as they do.
You claim here that influence depends upon post frequency.
So, according to your logic, someone who makes 1000 garbage posts has more influence than someone who makes 100 good posts.
What’s ‘no secret’ is that your claim is crap.
That in your world quantity > quality shows why you don’t understand how influence and bias are generated.
Being so involved with the boards and the company does make their reviews biased. It is no secret.
I clearly explained why this is wrong. What’s ‘no secret’ is that repeating myself is unlikely to help help, and that you’re not worth that effort even if this were not the case.
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You can’t expect people to go through all 100 posts someone makes to judge if they are a decent member or not… it’s much easier to say, “hey, this guy has 1000 posts, he must spend a decent amount of time here or atleast be somewhat devoted to this place”
But, I do agree, quality should be more often assessed instead of quantity.
Also, to be on topic… ANACONDA is a product that is sold by Biotest. It works well, and is expensive. Buy it if you have the cash to spare, don’t if you don’t.
[quote]TheBigV wrote:
You can’t expect people to go through all 100 posts someone makes to judge if they are a decent member or not… it’s much easier to say, “hey, this guy has 1000 posts, he must spend a decent amount of time here or atleast be somewhat devoted to this place”[/quote]
First - if one doesn’t have the time or inclination to do the research necessary to publicly state an opinion of another’s bias/influence, wouldn’t it be better to not do it, than base said claim on faulty and/or insufficient data?
Second - your argument is the fallacious argument ‘False Dilemma’ – there are not just the 2 choices you present, there are at least 2 more. One I mentioned already (‘not do it’). The other is…
Third - I don’t have to read up on a bunch of Stu’s (for example) past posts for this thread, as over the years I’ve read enough to come to a conclusion regarding his ‘expertise’ on this.
EDITED TO ADD IN:
Regarding the ‘quantity of posts is a positive indicator of influence’ assumption… I’m old enough that when I was a kid the folks we assumed were ‘smart’ were the ones that said little and instead watched and listened. When they did speak up it was often to ask questions, not give their opinion. Maybe this really hasn’t changed and I’m just seeing the ‘squeaky wheels’ who think quantity of speech is a good thing in and of itself , but upon reflection it does seem that society has gradually changed.
I did not read all 5 pages but I wanted to address the issue on the first page and the PX not gaining 15-25 pounds of muscle in 2 months.
1.X stated He was trying to hold his bodyweight
2.X stated he lost some fat while he did gain a few pounds
3.If X wants to stay the same weight he is going to adjust his food intake accordingly (ie not eat as if hes trying to gain 15-25 pounds)
4.No matter what supps you take, what and how much you eat/intake will always be the make or breaker
Bottom line, if X was trying to stay the same weight and ate accordingly and still managed to gain a few pounds while dropping weight sounds good to me.
What would have happened if he ate like he wanted to gain 15-25?
Not sure if this has already been settled but thats my rant, now im off to bed.
Biotest will do what Biotest always does: sell product through customer satisfaction. People try the product. People like the product. People tell other people about the product(in real life, in forums, etc.). Biotest has been pretty reliable for me, so I do not hesitate to recommend their products. This is because I have tried and still use their supplements.
Applying this information: if the Anaconda Protocol works on the consumers that bought it this first round like CT and others claim it does, then you will hear about it on the forum… which will encourage more to buy it. The only things that sell Biotest products are integrity and efficacy. If they didn’t have those(or ever lose those), I would take my business elsewhere.
Haha I like the taste of my bootleg SWF. Blandtastic, like a shaker full of flour.
I cant afford the protocol now since Im in grad school and the semesters almost over. I cant afford a lot of things, but Im not going to cry like Im entitled to them. Do these people go whine at the Ferrari dealership? Seriousness and ability to pay are two issues that are only related at the margin. I know, life isnt fair and all anybody wants is everything. I sympathize, I really do, but thats how it is.
[quote]Nick Danger wrote:
TheBigV wrote:
You can’t expect people to go through all 100 posts someone makes to judge if they are a decent member or not… it’s much easier to say, “hey, this guy has 1000 posts, he must spend a decent amount of time here or atleast be somewhat devoted to this place”
First - if one doesn’t have the time or inclination to do the research necessary to publicly state an opinion of another’s bias/influence, wouldn’t it be better to not do it, than base said claim on faulty and/or insufficient data?
Second - your argument is the fallacious argument ‘False Dilemma’ – there are not just the 2 choices you present, there are at least 2 more. One I mentioned already (‘not do it’). The other is…
Third - I don’t have to read up on a bunch of Stu’s (for example) past posts for this thread, as over the years I’ve read enough to come to a conclusion regarding his ‘expertise’ on this.
EDITED TO ADD IN:
Regarding the ‘quantity of posts is a positive indicator of influence’ assumption… I’m old enough that when I was a kid the folks we assumed were ‘smart’ were the ones that said little and instead watched and listened. When they did speak up it was often to ask questions, not give their opinion. Maybe this really hasn’t changed and I’m just seeing the ‘squeaky wheels’ who think quantity of speech is a good thing in and of itself , but upon reflection it does seem that society has gradually changed.[/quote]
I think a very good example would be DH. He has about 1500 posts but he is still one of the most helpful and respected members on the site.
I just finished reading through this thread. Stu has demonstrated how classy he is by responding in an honest, open NON-condescending manner. Good advice too about having all your ducks lined up in a row before starting something like this protocol.
Profesor X continues to play the role of bad cop. 
As for lean gains, X said he has maintained his weight but is getting comments on how he is leaner. I think X was around 280, so if he lost say 5% bodyfat that would be a gain of 14 lbs of lean mass.
while i would certainly qualify as a Biotest whore if anyone would (having spent close to 20k on their stuff) i personally would not even think about spending this kind of money on this protocol. I am sure its a well thought out supplement…but its just that a supplement.
The great thing about it to me is it will reduce demand for Surge Workout Fuel which should in turn reduce price and i love that stuff. But at $350 a month crap i can run Test/GH/t3/and insulin for those prices and actually create some serious muscle tissue. Beofer anyone lashes out, no i am not trying to compare apples to oranges but the fact is thats a ton of money to spend on a dietary supplement.
I think it is a fair statement to inquire about where all the new found pounds of muscle are, i think most advanced guys will probably find that the protocol is a pretty kick ass supplement but probably not nearly as magical as they were led to believe.
This is not intended to be disrespectful but why does everyone care so much? Seems like a lot of energy is being wasted on something relatively unproductive.
Surely, if you do not want to use it or if you prefer the wait and see approach then simply don’t buy it or stand on the sidelines for now…I’m sure in plenty of time the skeptics and optimists alike will see many more testionials from users of the protocol…until then perhaps it might be more constructive to focus on other things…just my .02
[quote]cobrakai and LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Some bullshit.[/quote]
You both seem like morons.
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
As for lean gains, X said he has maintained his weight but is getting comments on how he is leaner. I think X was around 280, so if he lost say 5% bodyfat that would be a gain of 14 lbs of lean mass.
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I didn’t want to start throwing numbers out there because there’s part of me that’s a bit hesitent to do an outright bulk knowing that my next prep is right around the corner, but I will say that in addition to my better lifts, better recovery, better feeling at the end of a session, that my weight had been steady between 198 - 200 lbs, ingesting around 3500-4000 a day. The past couple of weeks I’ve been steady at 202/203. Now while that may not sound like much, I reiterate that I’m not trying to consciously gain weight.
I still have veins quite prominantly visable on my arms, still have mid chest fibers showing, and can still see slight dilineation where my rectus Femorus protrudes from my upper quad… Tell me I didn’t put on some quality LBM -lol.
S
[quote]morepain wrote:
I think it is a fair statement to inquire about where all the new found pounds of muscle are, i think most advanced guys will probably find that the protocol is a pretty kick ass supplement but probably not nearly as magical as they were led to believe. [/quote]
The other key test will be to see what tactics rival supplement companies employ. As I understand it the Protocol is broadly based on pre-workout carb loading coupled with ultra-fast acting protein consumption. From my readings, the mainstream belief is still high GI carbs before/during/after the workout with standard whey (this is probably what the original poster had in mind when he talked of ‘common sense’).
Biotest is contradicting this ‘common sese’ practice and has brought out a protocol to support it. Again from what I’ve read, I think there is a growing shift toward the hyperaminoacidemia and carb-loading theories Biotest are leading. Therefore, IMO, that’s grounds enough to experiment with the protocol rather than dismiss it as not being common sense.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
ds1973 wrote:
As for lean gains, X said he has maintained his weight but is getting comments on how he is leaner. I think X was around 280, so if he lost say 5% bodyfat that would be a gain of 14 lbs of lean mass.
I didn’t want to start throwing numbers out there because there’s part of me that’s a bit hesitent to do an outright bulk knowing that my next prep is right around the corner, but I will say that in addition to my better lifts, better recovery, better feeling at the end of a session, that my weight had been steady between 198 - 200 lbs, ingesting around 3500-4000 a day. The past couple of weeks I’ve been steady at 202/203. Now while that may not sound like much, I reiterate that I’m not trying to consciously gain weight.
I still have veins quite prominantly visable on my arms, still have mid chest fibers showing, and can still see slight dilineation where my rectus Femorus protrudes from my upper quad… Tell me I didn’t put on some quality LBM -lol.
S[/quote]
I agree with that and I try to avoid giving out exact numbers because I do not worry about my exact body fat percentage, never get it tested and frankly go by the mirror. I also know that people tend to flip things however they see fit to meet whatever their agenda is…but I was just under 290 when I was out in Colorado and weighed 295lbs this weekend.
I am also not trying to gain much body weight but my strength is up and not only can I tell I have made gains in muscle mass, but apparently others can as well.
I did not take any professional before pictures and am not making up praise. If I had not tried this product, I would probably have avoided even worrying about it unless the hype surrounding it and those who used it was extremely significant.
Again, this is not for beginners or even many intermediates. People like that probably won’t even notice this much because they weren’t training near the upper levels of intensity to begin with.
I am not looking to put on much more body weight at all and my goal is more recomposition than some all out bulk attempt at this point.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I have never seen this much complaining because someone can’t afford something. If I couldn’t afford it, I wouldn’t be making posts about it. I would simply not buy it. Why the hell is this more complicated than that?
I thought that is what capitalism was all about?
The funny thing X, is that it seems to be the same thing as the reason why a lot of people diss the pro bodybuilders.
Remember when Tim asked you ‘Why do you think that the ‘functional training guys’ made fun of competitive bodybuilders’… we both answered that you always seem to hate on what you deeply (even subconsciously) want, but can’t have?[/quote]
WOW. I don’t think I’ve read a post like this from you CT. Way to call out the covetous.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
ds1973 wrote:
As for lean gains, X said he has maintained his weight but is getting comments on how he is leaner. I think X was around 280, so if he lost say 5% bodyfat that would be a gain of 14 lbs of lean mass.
I didn’t want to start throwing numbers out there because there’s part of me that’s a bit hesitent to do an outright bulk knowing that my next prep is right around the corner, but I will say that in addition to my better lifts, better recovery, better feeling at the end of a session, that my weight had been steady between 198 - 200 lbs, ingesting around 3500-4000 a day. The past couple of weeks I’ve been steady at 202/203. Now while that may not sound like much, I reiterate that I’m not trying to consciously gain weight.
I still have veins quite prominantly visable on my arms, still have mid chest fibers showing, and can still see slight dilineation where my rectus Femorus protrudes from my upper quad… Tell me I didn’t put on some quality LBM -lol.
S
I agree with that and I try to avoid giving out exact numbers because I do not worry about my exact body fat percentage, never get it tested and frankly go by the mirror. I also know that people tend to flip things however they see fit to meet whatever their agenda is…but I was just under 290 when I was out in Colorado and weighed 295lbs this weekend.
I am also not trying to gain much body weight but my strength is up and not only can I tell I have made gains in muscle mass, but apparently others can as well.
I did not take any professional before pictures and am not making up praise. If I had not tried this product, I would probably have avoided even worrying about it unless the hype surrounding it and those who used it was extremely significant.
Again, this is not for beginners or even many intermediates. People like that probably won’t even notice this much because they weren’t training near the upper levels of intensity to begin with.
I am not looking to put on much more body weight at all and my goal is more recomposition than some all out bulk attempt at this point.
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I dont post much mainly because of this exact reason the boards are full of 140 lb experts…
and rarely do I quote anyone but if you cant take the information put out on these products and make an informed decision then you dont need to follow this protocol…
it has been stated many times this may not be for you either because of cost or your training protocol…
what other supps have you bought with less info…I have wasted tons of money on supps that dont work… most of the products i have bought from Biotest have done exactly what they say some didnt…dont buy something because of marketing, buy because our brothers say hey it did something for me here it is… now go and lift
Not going to read through all of the people arguing “They know what they’re doing” or “no they don’t”, but I would guess that they’re trying to save money on before and after pictures by having a website, convincing people to buy their products (and thus saving money by not giving it away for free), and then giving them a training log area to post their results.
But yes, half the people on this board don’t get your point, Cobrakai. That’s probably also how Biotest is making money…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/ykxkd42[/quote]
lol you like to do that eh?