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[quote]mlekava000 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]mlekava000 wrote:
I want my video of this guy benching 365 while only being able to pull 415! WHERE IS IT?! After these pics im even more convinced that ain’t happening. You are well developed for an 18 yo buddy, but no way those arms and back can get a 365 through a full ROM on the bench.[/quote]

You sound like someone who is inexperienced and relatively weak. [/quote]

I don’t see how this is refuting my point Bonez, sir. Please explain where i went wrong in my reasoning - i keep an open mind. You obviously have a lot of time under the bar, i listen to what such people have to say.

And yes, i am relatively inexperienced and weak, but i think i’m doing pretty well for myself - never touched a weight in my life before April 2009 and for those less than 2 yrs i’ve gone from 160 lbs to 225 without having my waist baloon so i must be doing something right… And my point remains - over that time period i got from 155 to 275 bench, 135 to ~ 370-380 squat and 185 to ~420+ deadlift.

I don’t care what your leverages are - 405 deadlift is rank beginner, but to have a solid 365 bench you need a strong-ass back. Even if you don’t practice deadlift often (which OP prolly does if he is throwing a nunmber out there) and/or have piss-poor form, the strength of that back alone will be enough to carry you htorugh MUCH MROE than a 400 lbs dead… And i’m sorry - those pics don’t show a big strong back…[/quote]

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[quote]mlekava000 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]mlekava000 wrote:
I want my video of this guy benching 365 while only being able to pull 415! WHERE IS IT?! After these pics im even more convinced that ain’t happening. You are well developed for an 18 yo buddy, but no way those arms and back can get a 365 through a full ROM on the bench.[/quote]

You sound like someone who is inexperienced and relatively weak. [/quote]

I don’t see how this is refuting my point Bonez, sir. Please explain where i went wrong in my reasoning - i keep an open mind

and yes, i am relatively inexperienced and weak, but i think i’m doing pretty well for myself - never touched a weight in my life before April 2009 and for those less than 2 yrs i’ve gone from 160 lbs to 225 without having my waist baloon so i must be doing something right… And my point remains - over that time period i got from 155 to 275 bench, 135 to ~ 370-380 squat and 185 to ~420+ deadlift. I don’t care what your leverages are - 405 deadlift is rank beginner, but to have a solid 365 bench you need a strong-ass back. Even if you don’t practice deadlift often (which OP prolly does if he is throwing a nunmber out there) and/or have piss-poor form, the strength of that back alone will be enough to carry you htorugh MUCH MROE than a 400 lbs dead… And i’m sorry - those pics don’t show a big strong back…[/quote]

You still sound inexperienced and are relatively weak.

So just because you have a horrible bench press for your weight you think everyone does?

The butthurt is strong.

And where are your videos? I looked, maybe you uploaded them wrong. Im sure you attempted to put up videos of your own before talking shit about the pretty unremarkable stats of someone else.

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I have videos in marauder’s thread because the only reason i even registered after so much time lurking was to have him help me with form.

My bench is pretty weak considering my weight and other stats, i admit. I am working on this and hopefully will see results soon. I sure as hell don’t think everyone has the same weak points though, and no my butt doesn’t hurt cause of that lol - cammon Bonez, you’ve been around these forums for awhile, I didn’t log in to compare weights with some random people online. To each his own progress.

The point i wanted to make was that i am also at the beginning end of the strength curve like the op, but just can’t see such a huge disparity in the pressing numbers if his deadlift is so weak. I dunno man, maybe i am wrong. Again, i am open to explanations, and i am actually interested in yours Bonez 'cause i’ve read your posts before and you know your shit, let’s just not get side-tracked here.

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[quote]mlekava000 wrote:
I have videos in marauder’s thread because the only reason i even registered after so much time lurking was to have him help me with form.

My bench is pretty weak considering my weight and other stats, i admit. I am working on this and hopefully will see results soon. I sure as hell don’t think everyone has the same weak points though, and no my butt doesn’t hurt cause of that lol - cammon Bonez, you’ve been around these forums for awhile, I didn’t log in to compare weights with some random people online. To each his own progress.

The point i wanted to make was that i am also at the beginning end of the strength curve like the op, but just can’t see such a huge disparity in the pressing numbers if his deadlift is so weak. I dunno man, maybe i am wrong. Again, i am open to explanations, and i am actually interested in yours Bonez 'cause i’ve read your posts before and you know your shit, let’s just not get side-tracked here. [/quote]

You want an explanation for why someone is a better presser than puller?

Seriously? I guess you really dont understand the amount of variable that factor into something like this.

This is retarded. You got all excited and swung your e-penis around bashing another kids mundane strength claims. Now you realize that his claims are hardly unbelievable and you sound like a clown.

And dont talk about not getting side tracked. THe kid asked for advice on his routine and you started calling him out on his lifts. YOU SIDETRACKED HIS THREAD.

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Touche on the side-tracking part sir! But let’s not get the e-penises involved hahaha! I didn’t ask why one is a better pusher than puller - i asked why a 360+ bencher can only pull 400 lbs. But seeing how i did not give an actual advice but just bashed on the kid, i agree i didn’t exactly contribute to the discussion.

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[quote]deathb4dishonor wrote:
relaxed[/quote]

great frame! if you start a serious weight training you 'll be huge (250 lean?),keep on posting here boy.

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[quote]mlekava000 wrote:
I want my video of this guy benching 365 while only being able to pull 415! WHERE IS IT?! After these pics im even more convinced that ain’t happening. You are well developed for an 18 yo buddy, but no way those arms and back can get a 365 through a full ROM on the bench.[/quote]

What’s with all the negativity? Do his maxes really matter to anyone other than him?

I’ve never really been that focused on DL’ing and maybe I’m really ignorant on its merits. How does the DL increase my bench press? I’d like to know if I should I be doing them more?

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@ op

I don’t think anybody tried to answer your question. I like a lot of volume.
I usually stick to a max of 4 sets (8-12 rep range)per excerciese per BP.

For ex: this morning I hit Biceps
4 sets of Barbell curls
4 sets of ez curls
3 sets of incline/hammer curls
3 sets of preacher curls
2 sets of rope curls

Normally I’d only do 3 excercises for a total of 12 sets but I’m off my normal routine. I don’t follow anyone’s lifting protocol and do what’s instinctive for my body.

Maybe now that we’ve passed the whole - does he really lift that phase, more knowledgeable people can give you the answers you’re looking for.

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Although I don’t think the OP will return to this thread, I think that if he posted this in the beginner’s section of the forum he’d get a more constructive response.

For me the amount of sets depends on a lot of factors. Overall food intake, energy levels, specific muscle group, which exercises I am using, etc. A lot of bodybuilding is about discovering what works for YOU.

For the record I definitely think the OP is legit and it is possible to get strong without really knowing how to design a program, etc.

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The op looks good in his pics and at 6’3’’ 235 at 11% isnt that unrealistic, 6’3’’ he’s gona have weigh quite a bit anyway. Props to the guy at 18 if his lifts are liegt, i wish i was that strong when i was 18.

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OP, as most have said, the diet seems to be your weak link. Fix that up and you should see other things fall into place a bit more. And great work man

Whoever said his numbers are normal for the top HS football players at each school is fucking insane.

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[quote]deathb4dishonor wrote:
back[/quote]

Dude, you look good.

Made some progress.

I know you didn’t ask for this, but some back width and lats in general will really help your physique come together. Like most of us, some lateral delt work will help bring out your tapper too.

But anywho, good work dude. And kudos for actually posting pics, lol.

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Ricky Martin look alike joins T-Nation!

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OP, I think you have done a great job in building a muscular physique. But, I would not EVER mention my poundage used without an uploaded video of said lift.

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[quote]mlekava000 wrote:
Touche on the side-tracking part sir! But let’s not get the e-penises involved hahaha! I didn’t ask why one is a better pusher than puller - i asked why a 360+ bencher can only pull 400 lbs. But seeing how i did not give an actual advice but just bashed on the kid, i agree i didn’t exactly contribute to the discussion.[/quote]

Dude, with posts from you like this from another thread in the Bodybuilding forum, why would anyone take you serious?

[quote]mlekava000 wrote:

Basic compound movements with immense poundages = boring!

Feeling TEH MUSCLEZZ with 40 lbs cable lateral raises and HAMMER STRENGTHZZ machines while also doing neuro-charge, insert-pseudo-scientific-bullshit-term-here workouts = TEH AWESOMEZ!
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Maraudermeat can get away with it because he’s one of the strongest and most accomplished BBer/PLer on these boards, plus it’s funny coming from him (love ya MM – full homo intended).

The OP put up pics. Done. He looks like he’s well on his way once he starts getting a feel for what’s working instead of blindly taking advice from what sounds like 2 other accomplished lifters.

His numbers aren’t that outrageous. I regularly lift with a kid, early 20’s, just graduating Maritime college. 5-11", 220-ish can bench 385 (I’ve spotted him), but only squats mid 300’s at best and I’ve never seen him deadlift. Has about the same leanness of OP.

I’m not even comfortable posting ‘advice’ in here sometimes and consider myself still a beginner. I’m humbled daily by some of the posters here. How about maybe type less, read more, and lift more.

OP: Nice work. If you’re going to post numbers, put up vids because as you can see it’s an instant invite to derail, and honestly with good reason given the history of trolls.

What are your competition goals? You said you ‘want to compete’ but that’s pretty vague (and that’s usually an invite from the peanut gallery). Are your goals to get bigger before comp? Lose fat now? When is the comp? Are you fatiguing from the volume your coach is giving you?

Throw us a bone, dude.

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[quote]mlekava000 wrote:
Touche on the side-tracking part sir! But let’s not get the e-penises involved hahaha! I didn’t ask why one is a better pusher than puller - i asked why a 360+ bencher can only pull 400 lbs. But seeing how i did not give an actual advice but just bashed on the kid, i agree i didn’t exactly contribute to the discussion.[/quote]

You didn’t just “asked why a 360+ bencher can only pull 400 lbs”. You claimed that it wasn’t possible because to bench an amazing 365 lbs, you need to have an impressive deadlift and a strong ass back. You’re misinformed. Instead of arguing with a guy who knows better (Bonez), learn something and move on.

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excuse me gents,
INSTEAD of flaming the OP (he posted pics,he is real, he is good) why don’t help the young guy?

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[quote]buzza wrote:
excuse me gents,
INSTEAD of flaming the OP (he posted pics,he is real, he is good) why don’t help the young guy?

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What answer could be given? A layout like:
Chest- 16sets
Back- 20sets
Bis- 8-12sets
Tris- 14-16sets
legs- 24sets

How does one come up with this? The blanket statement has already been given, “There is no set number for anything.” Plus, in all seriousness, someone sitting at 236lb with 11%bf would be at my lvl/better off than me, so who am i to give him advice lol?

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Plus, in all seriousness, someone sitting at 236lb with 11%bf would be at my lvl/better off than me, so who am i to give him advice lol? [/quote]

Seriously, you have cooler hair. That’s enough for me.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Plus, in all seriousness, someone sitting at 236lb with 11%bf would be at my lvl/better off than me, so who am i to give him advice lol? [/quote]

Seriously, you have cooler hair. That’s enough for me.[/quote]

Cant argue facts lol