I love how X’s first post back has turned into another flaming war, or do I?
JB, keep that up and we’ll have a “Front Double Bi” thread on our hands - woohoo!
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
w/r/t the OP, what I find interesting is how powerful indoctrination can be. That is, people accept the obvious double standard of “this is bad for you so you cant have it” vs “this is bad for you but you can still have it”, so long as “Thats just the way it is.”
I think another point to consider is that its easier for people to believe a simple lie than a complex truth. If you research why, say, marijuana or cocaine are illegal, you’ll probably find various political, social, economic, cultural, and even racial issues led to that decision. But if you ask the average person, they are likely to give you the simple lie: They’re illegal because they’re bad for you.
I think equally important as personal responsibility (or another aspect of personal responsibility) is having an actual understanding of why certain laws are the way they are, instead of swallowing the 5 second sound bite without question.[/quote]
Great post, man.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
w/r/t the OP, what I find interesting is how powerful indoctrination can be. That is, people accept the obvious double standard of “this is bad for you so you cant have it” vs “this is bad for you but you can still have it”, so long as “Thats just the way it is.”
I think another point to consider is that its easier for people to believe a simple lie than a complex truth. If you research why, say, marijuana or cocaine are illegal, you’ll probably find various political, social, economic, cultural, and even racial issues led to that decision. But if you ask the average person, they are likely to give you the simple lie: They’re illegal because they’re bad for you.
I think equally important as personal responsibility (or another aspect of personal responsibility) is having an actual understanding of why certain laws are the way they are, instead of swallowing the 5 second sound bite without question.
Great post, man.[/quote]
I think that’s the essence of what’s wrong with society today - we are all indoctrinated and conditioned every day into believing all the 5-second sound bites. The majority of people have become so intellectually lazy and dumbed down that they don’t even bother to think about or explore the complex truths.
And I, as a person who does look at the complex truths, do not feel empowered, able, or in a position to do anything about it!
Let the trolling resume.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am very worried if I have to start using those big assed Magic Markers and hand puppets to get a point across.[/quote]
Well, see, Professor, that’s what happens when you post on Get a Life. This topic belongs on the Politics forum. That’s where all the smart people hang out, as you must recall.
Good to have you back.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I am very worried if I have to start using those big assed Magic Markers and hand puppets to get a point across.
Well, see, Professor, that’s what happens when you post on Get a Life. This topic belongs on the Politics forum. That’s where all the smart people hang out, as you must recall.
Good to have you back.[/quote]
And in Varq’s case, hide the glue, because it’s either going to get eaten, or huffed.
Well, speak of the devil. Here’s one of them there smart folks now.
Amerika! Amerika!
God shed His grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
Amerika! Amerika!
God shed His grace on thee
Till selfish gain no longer stain
The banner of the free!
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
Just out of interest, does anyone here actually think it is logical for Marijuana and steroids to be illegal while alcohol is not?[/quote]
Yes. If currently illegal drugs were to become readily available over the counter like alcohol, there would still be the same people that have excessive personalities getting fucked up on them and doing stupid shit.
The reason alcohol has more fatalities and all the other crap Prof X posted is because there is just more of it out there and it is much easier to get your hands on it. It’s just a numbers game. I’ve heard many a bodybuilder tout this crap and it got old very quickly.
Yawn.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
Just out of interest, does anyone here actually think it is logical for Marijuana and steroids to be illegal while alcohol is not?
Yes. If currently illegal drugs were to become readily available over the counter like alcohol, there would still be the same people that have excessive personalities getting fucked up on them and doing stupid shit.
The reason alcohol has more fatalities and all the other crap Prof X posted is because there is just more of it out there and it is much easier to get your hands on it. It’s just a numbers game. I’ve heard many a bodybuilder tout this crap and it got old very quickly.
Yawn. [/quote]
So taking personal responsibility for one’s actions is crap?
Good thing there is Big Brother.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
People should read carefully and reread when necessary before making themselves look so ridiculous and ignorant to a beautifully written set of points like the professor has put down here. It’s a joy to see something like this written so articulately. Good to have this guy back.
Well done and so poignant,
ToneBone[/quote]
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
Just out of interest, does anyone here actually think it is logical for Marijuana and steroids to be illegal while alcohol is not?
Yes. If currently illegal drugs were to become readily available over the counter like alcohol, there would still be the same people that have excessive personalities getting fucked up on them and doing stupid shit.
The reason alcohol has more fatalities and all the other crap Prof X posted is because there is just more of it out there and it is much easier to get your hands on it. It’s just a numbers game. I’ve heard many a bodybuilder tout this crap and it got old very quickly.
Yawn. [/quote]
And here I though people do not die from weed because it does not shut down vital parts of the brain like , f.e., alcohol.
Thank God I find out now that it is due to our wardens wisdom and benevolence and not the laws of this universe.
[quote]Helga wrote:
I like boobies.[/quote]
I like beer!
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I am very worried if I have to start using those big assed Magic Markers and hand puppets to get a point across.
Well, see, Professor, that’s what happens when you post on Get a Life. This topic belongs on the Politics forum. That’s where all the smart people hang out, as you must recall.
Good to have you back.[/quote]
Yep…X makes a post and peolpe are pissed, it’s almost normal around here.
And Varq…everybody knows the SMA forum is # 1.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Yes. If currently illegal drugs were to become readily available over the counter like alcohol, there would still be the same people that have excessive personalities getting fucked up on them and doing stupid shit. [/quote]
Well, if that’s the case, what’s the problem?
In reality, I am not for complete deregulation of all drugs. I am for putting the power back into the hands of the physician without so much government influence (read that as pop media influence and control of social standards). It should not be some soccer mom’s decision as far as whether it is ok for Patient A who is 35 years old to use hormones simply because he wants to look better. It also shouldn’t be the decision of Congress and shouldn’t be the soap box for which elections are won. Unfortunately, that is exactly how this is playing out…“for the children”.
[quote]
The reason alcohol has more fatalities and all the other crap Prof X posted is because there is just more of it out there and it is much easier to get your hands on it. It’s just a numbers game. I’ve heard many a bodybuilder tout this crap and it got old very quickly.
Yawn. [/quote]
If that is the case, why do countries without such strict regulations and age requirements for alcohol survive without so much death surrounding the use? Youth rebel. We all did. If it weren’t so taboo to discuss issues without constantly talking about “the children”, and if policies reflected this, there would be less to rebel against. Wouldn’t that decrease the allure?
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
Just out of interest, does anyone here actually think it is logical for Marijuana and steroids to be illegal while alcohol is not?
Yes. If currently illegal drugs were to become readily available over the counter like alcohol, there would still be the same people that have excessive personalities getting fucked up on them and doing stupid shit.
The reason alcohol has more fatalities and all the other crap Prof X posted is because there is just more of it out there and it is much easier to get your hands on it. It’s just a numbers game. I’ve heard many a bodybuilder tout this crap and it got old very quickly.
Yawn. [/quote]
Yes, it is misleading use of statistics. Regulation of drugs should be based on their true effects not hype.
Steroids aren’t terrible but kids should not be using them.
They should be regulated in such a way that an adult can make a decision to use or not use them.
I am not sure if they should be available OTC for anyone over 21 or if we should encourage doctors to prescribe them and monitor the side effects.
Either way our current policies suck.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
So you’re away for almost six months and what draws you back to a bodybuilding website after a mysterious exit is a need to rant about alcohol? Call me confused.
Well, Mr. Spackler, I would say you are very much confused if you thought this was a rant against alcohol.
I am very worried if I have to start using those big assed Magic Markers and hand puppets to get a point across.[/quote]
I am thrilled that THE X is back!
Furthermore, I resolve to not argue with his wisdom. I will simply read and learn.
Word.
HH
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
So you’re away for almost six months and what draws you back to a bodybuilding website after a mysterious exit is a need to rant about alcohol? Call me confused.
Well, Mr. Spackler, I would say you are very much confused if you thought this was a rant against alcohol.
I am very worried if I have to start using those big assed Magic Markers and hand puppets to get a point across.
I am thrilled that THE X is back!
Furthermore, I resolve to not argue with his wisdom. I will simply read and learn.
Word.
HH
[/quote]
This is no fun if you don’t argue.
See, no name calling…this time.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I am thrilled that THE X is back!
Furthermore, I resolve to not argue with his wisdom. I will simply read and learn.
Word.
HH
[/quote]
Does anyone else feel nauseous?
[quote]Jacked Diesel wrote:
wow, what an absolute load of shit.
American tried prohibition, and I can assure you if it does it again, some sort of civil war will occur, or a radical government will overthrow our central power.
Next, if people are going to use substances and do stupid shit and die, then good riddance, it’s called natural selection, let it take its fucking course. I just heard that some kid I went to high school with died from a cocaine overdose not too long ago. Who cares? If you’re dumb enough to put shit like that into your body then you deserve to die.
Finally, the problem isn’t alcohol, the problem is parents and drinking ages. Other countries do not have drinking ages, and if they do, they are set at young ages and not enforced. Meaning that these children do not go wild with the shit because they are introduced to it at a young age. That is not the case here.[/quote]
Now the Prof’s statment isn’t quite a load of shit considering it’s a comparison between AAS and the much more dangerous drug alcohol. I 100% agree with you , if alcohol was illegal once again there would be outright anarchy the the Gov’t would lose control. My parents began to let me drink, within the home, at the age of 15. My junior and senior years of upper school I was one of the few that didn’t abuse alcohol. That carried over to my college years. I believe I’ll use the same strategy on my own kids.