you should probably change ‘is’ to ‘could be’ - you do not know how any individual, regardless of their life-choices, will react to any given comment. i.e. ‘black lesbian women’ are not a monolith with one mind … assuming so is dehumanizing
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Wear a MAGA hat to a protest and see what happens to you…
Yeah, repercussions like losing your career, being doxxed, physically assaulted are all consequences of the most timid speech.
This guy had the temerity to be holding a Trump sign in from of his own store. So his consequence was the death penalty…
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And the classy response is Doxxing.
What are the laws surrounding doxxing? They should be charged for whatever crimes happen because of their doxxing… but i doubt that is the case.
I just listened to Eric Weinstein and Peter Thiel talk about this on Weinstein’s podcast. They had some very good thoughts on this subject, as it relates to Trump in 2016 and polling data.
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Isn’t that the problem? Doxxing is a threat. Don’t offend us or else we will put your info out there and who knows what will happen.
Whoever puts your info out there should then be directly responsible for anything that happens to you because of that doxxing, from civil suits regarding harrasment, up to murder/assault/etc. As a society we should have no tolerance for doxxing.
The threat of doxxing should be equal to blackmail in the eyes of the law.
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Freedom of speech. If this is a bright side, Antifa members are getting doxxed now too. I’m sure that will make their parents proud.
This is part of the problem. Online is set up for these conflicts and social media companies encourage conflict plus hunt and destroy with what is an implicit reward system.
Consider if an you want an environment where people hunt ideas that they don’t like out under what is effective constraint surveillance and squash them with threats and punitive measurs, where words are twisted, removed from context and fuelled with emotion. For example, the poor sap who was pulled over, had the incident recorded put up on social media and lost his job because some dipshit thought he did some white supremists hand gesture and the mob asked his employer whether he supported this. Know your audience huh? Is this really the world you defend?
Remember what is not offensive today will be offensive tomorrow because that is what the online world fuels and the network effect of the online world means you cannot get away from it.
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I can assure you this is a product of who you’re talking to and completely true of the right as well. Come to where I live and discuss universal healthcare, question Gods existence, say you voted for a Dem and see how much of a discussion they are interested in. I’m one of the sheep wearing a mask and I assure you not many of us with 28,000 or so in the county.
But honestly it doesn’t even bother me much. When I worked in places with very conservative people and they wanted to talk politics or religion I simply didn’t do it. My wife’s Dads side think Trump walks on water. They don’t even know my opinion of him. My closest friends and my immediate family knows what I think politically and religious wise. And that’s enough for me.
This is pretty much the only place I discuss these things regularly. It’s a nice outlet. I don’t have a big desire for those I work with to know my opinion on these things nor do I have a big desire to put family relationships in jeopardy over arguing over what the governor or President did. I’ll talk about that shit on here. I have a very clean social media record and want to keep it that way. Employers have been combing that stuff long before today. To me it’s not just a “risk” but it’s also fruitless. Don’t think people are changing minds often due to memes. If someone thinks the coronavirus is a hoax me linking evidence isn’t really swaying them.
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Racist (n): One who disagrees with a leftist
There is a reason the study referenced showed that the people least afraid to showcase their opinion were hard leftists. Has that been mentioned yet?
The Left does a wonderful job of keeping ordinary people completely in the dark about many things. Now it’s their tendency to try and ruin anyone who merely disagrees with them about whatever the correct opinion is that day (it changes). It might be for saying “all black lives matter, including unborn babies” or maybe something simpler like “I like the duly elected president”. Some day it again will be “I don’t like the duly elected president”. Because that’s hate. Or maybe it’s prejudice. After all, no one could ever have a legitimate, or even a political reason to not like a duly elected president. It’s always personal. Cancel!
When caught red-handed (as they have of late gotten more brazen and drunk on this new power to destroy over total innocuities), they say “both sides do it” and we just have to continue from that new point of discussion. It doesn’t matter if the ratio is 100-1 or 1000-1 or 10000-1. Or simply 5-1. Or what it is that both sides do. Both sides do it, move on, new subject.
The bottom line is while the Right was often heard to say for most of my life “I don’t agree with you, but I will die to defend your right to say it”, the Left was secretly laughing and saying that’s cool, thanks bro, go do that.
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The stuff at the Ellen show is becoming quite farcical. When they started talking about our disposable culture decades ago, I didn’t realise they meant literally everything lol
People need to be more judicious about how and where they behave themselves.
I’ve always been aware that if you say the wrong thing at the wrong time to the wrong person or people, the Best thing you can hope for is a mild to moderate ass kicking.
There are bars in other parts of town where your cracker ass will be beat down, and vice versa.
There are people that don’t care what you think or how you feel, and may in fact go out of their way to fuck you up.
None of this is new. I’ve known this since I was like 6, so 1978.
Why is this a subject now?
Is a new generation of people just figuring out that just because you have a right doesn’t mean you need to exercise it?
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No, a group of people with a lot of power and a large megaphone has decided that they are the absolute standard-bearers of what will and won’t be considered “offensive”, and now it includes things that weren’t offensive as little as two months ago. Soon it will be five minutes ago.
The same people that have supposedly been elevating women and trying to guarantee them “equality” - not just using them to get elected, har har - are now calling them, without irony, “persons with cervixes”. Because otherwise it might offend someone.
And like many notions that were once ludicrous, it may yet be the only acceptable speech, and if you deviate from it (or have deviated from it in your social media past), I guess you get your ass kicked for being a Nazi, or you get ruined?
Speech standards amongst individuals within polite society is one thing - speech controlled by a vicious bloodthirsty mob is totalitarianism.
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Tweeting All Lives Matter should not be deserving of assault, unemployment or even name calling. Stating you believe black on black violence is a bigger problem than the police should not result in any of that either.
This isn’t about words, but thoughts. And the left has weaponized the terms to keep people from expressing what they think. They’ve come up with things like micro-aggression, micro-assault, privilege and triggers. They’ve also redefined the word racism and created the term anti-racist. And when all is said and done, they can always just say that something they don’t like, usually it’s something we would call the truth, is an example of white supremacy or the patriarchy because, if it isn’t about race then it’s about sex.
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I do find it a little funny JK Rowling suffered the same demise she was calling on for others. Some how, some way, Feminism became a right-wing talking point. And now the mob hates her… Ironic.
When liberals are signing letters against cancel culture and get canceled for it, it’s too late. It was fine when they did it, but it came for them and now it’s bad. Well, your bed, lay in it.
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I agree with your assessment of their M.O… I just don’t think it’s anything new.
I run it through my communication translater ™ to try to understand what they’re really saying, like this:
Protester: “Black Lives Matter!”.
Other Guy: “All Lives Matter!”.
Then a fight or retaliatory action ensues.
Run through the translator it goes like this:
Protester: “This is important to me!”
Other Guy: “Go Fuck Yourself!”
Then a fight or retaliatory action ensues.
See? It’s very accurate.
But people think they’re clever or something with the “all lives matter” or some sophisticated argument, which while correct, does not acknowledge the concern of the aggrieved party. Hence the rocks and bottles and escalation of violence along with claims like “You don’t understand” and “We aren’t being heard”.
Instead of some clever retort or intellectual exercise, why not respond with “Ok. You’re right. Black lives do matter.” and just leave it at that?
Or even just “OK.”.
The way that this has escalated really is completely unnecessary, and it’s actually the fault of both sides. The aggrieved side has been reactive and lost the plot almost as soon as this all began, but the response of “all lives matter” as a retort is just as unnecessary and inflammatory as anything else.
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Outstanding post. At a base level, I think this is pretty much where it all starts. It’s gone off the rails, but that’s where it starts.
Thank you.
I’ve been seeing this same thing play out in one form or subject or another my whole life.
Recently my therapist has been working with me on communication through reflective listening. I figured I’d apply it to this, and Bingo!
That’s what pops out!
Throwing “But you kill more of each other than anybody else kill of you…” looks so much more like mass victim blaming every time I think about it that I’ve almost had to stop thinking about it.
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