[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Yeah, I’ve never heard of the 45 degree thing either (which doesn’t really mean shitall I suppose, lol) BUT, I can’t think of a sound physiological or pathological reason why 45 degrees would be any better than 90.
The only thing you definitely inject at an angle is IV, so that you don’t just penetrate through the far side of the vein and into muscle.
The reason that the OPs pain has spread is (I think) because by sheer fluke, you injected into the fascia between 2 muscles and the bolus of oil has dissipated along this line, irritating as it goes. Oh yeah, RJ… Heating makes oil less viscous, lol. But then I think you knew that anyway, hahaha.[/quote]
Heating the oil makes it thinner, and more watery. Is that more viscous, or less viscous?
I think that 2cc’s in one injection is going to hurt no matter what. With test-e I’ve found that smaller, more frequent injections are less painful and more effective for stabilizing test levels.
So now that we have figure out A.) need smaller needle and longer B.) two shot per week, instead of one. C.) Keep warming the oil (less painful) D.) Does it help to massage after injection?
Also, can anyone explain the swelling? Its not really sore or swollen at injection spot, but more swollen towards the top middle part of my gluteus??
What I am getting at here is I don’t really care about the pain…that will come and go. I just want to make sure everything I am doing is correct??
In addition to everything already said, try some Ibuprofen. It helped me a lot with prop pain, which really sucked! I was taking 600-800mgs ED sometimes twice a day.
Just be careful not to overload your liver if you are taking any oral gear especially. Ibuprofen can be liver toxic if taken on high doses for prolonged period of time.
good luck
I really don’t understand any of this talk about 45 degree angles. The shortest between the skin, subQ fat, fascia, and target muscle is a straight line. Nursing manuals even discuss additional pain and shearing of tissue associated with 45 degree insertions for IM.
In practice, of course nobody is measuring anything. Just aim for perpendicular to the site and do your best.
If you don’t do this yet, maybe try and inject before you workout or in the morning? It seems like if I inject in the morning, there isn’t a lot of pain because I’m moving throughout the day (and working out) helps. I don’t have facts to back this up, just my experience.
[quote]raiderUM wrote:
I started my cycle of Test E. 500mg per week for 10 weeks. I just started my second week and I’m having a lot of pain in my ASS! I took the whole 2cc’s the first week and also the second week too. [/quote] 2 shots a week not one
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I had a bit of pain and swelling during my first injection, but this second one hurts even more and is more swollen than the first, even through I move to the other side of ass.[/quote] sust gave me some swolness pain and its diff for me b/c i kickbox. So hopefully were talking about common pains from the gear itself
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It really doesn’t hurt to walk around or even sit, just hurts really bad when I initially sit down or touch it. [/quote]
ok then thats ok your fine, perhaps you could be experiencing more pain then you should b/c your doing the whole entire weeks 500mgs in 1 shot and it should be done in 2 shots and therefore im sure your naturaly experience less pain thereoff.
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Also, it does not hurt at injection point, but a the top of my ass and towards my crack. Is this normal? Should I start by breaking up my injections example: 1cc on Sunday and 1cc on Thursday? and when should I start to see some really major gains? Thanks [/quote]
i do the job on my outer head of the quadracept, idk whats good with people putting it in the ass. Honestly the shots are nice in the quad but ne way. 4weeks starting fresh on a test cycle should be a time when things are noticed. and yes again split your shots for the reasons i said above, and to help keep your bodys response more balanced and constant, instead of someshort of test shocks.
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Oh and also, I am using a 22g needle by 1 inch long…is that ok?[/quote]1 inch in a half in my quad is what i use but 1 inch should be fine. 22G is fine but WHY?(use them 22s to transport gear into the 25g syringe). Use a 25gage and if anyone ses other wise ignore them trust me.
[quote]Lord Infamous wrote:
raiderUM wrote:
I started my cycle of Test E. 500mg per week for 10 weeks. I just started my second week and I’m having a lot of pain in my ASS! I took the whole 2cc’s the first week and also the second week too. 2 shots a week not one
I had a bit of pain and swelling during my first injection, but this second one hurts even more and is more swollen than the first, even through I move to the other side of ass. sust gave me some swolness pain and its diff for me b/c i kickbox. So hopefully were talking about common pains from the gear itself
It really doesn’t hurt to walk around or even sit, just hurts really bad when I initially sit down or touch it.
ok then thats ok your fine, perhaps you could be experiencing more pain then you should b/c your doing the whole entire weeks 500mgs in 1 shot and it should be done in 2 shots and therefore im sure your naturaly experience less pain thereoff.
Also, it does not hurt at injection point, but a the top of my ass and towards my crack. Is this normal? Should I start by breaking up my injections example: 1cc on Sunday and 1cc on Thursday? and when should I start to see some really major gains? Thanks
i do the job on my outer head of the quadracept, idk whats good with people putting it in the ass. Honestly the shots are nice in the quad but ne way. 4weeks starting fresh on a test cycle should be a time when things are noticed. and yes again split your shots for the reasons i said above, and to help keep your bodys response more balanced and constant, instead of someshort of test shocks.
Oh and also, I am using a 22g needle by 1 inch long…is that ok?1 inch in a half in my quad is what i use but 1 inch should be fine. 22G is fine but WHY?(use them 22s to transport gear into the 25g syringe). Use a 25gage and if anyone ses other wise ignore them trust me.
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Thank you Lord. haha, That was the best response I received. Last night was the first night sence Sunday that I did not wake up. I stayed asleep all night, No Pain. So, its getting better but there is still some swelling. Also I have already gained 10 pounds in the first full week of use. Is that unheard of?
Ok, the swelling really isn’t getting any better today. I’ve been taking Ib prof. as a pain killer and to keep the swelling down. What can I take to get this swelling to go away?? two days ago I couldn’t even put my left sock on, thats how bad it is. Should I just wait this out? or go to the doc.?
Wow, the test you guys use must be watery stuff compared to the stuff we use in my clinic. I’m a (female) nurse and inject Testosterone into (mostly) old guys all the time and it’s thick stuff. I use a 22/1.5 and go straight in, 90 degrees. I’d be there all day with a 25g needle! You’d have to be VERY scrawny to use anything but a 90 degree angle in a gluteal muscle. Are you sure you are finding your landmarks for injection correctly?
[quote]featherz wrote:
Wow, the test you guys use must be watery stuff compared to the stuff we use in my clinic. I’m a (female) nurse and inject Testosterone into (mostly) old guys all the time and it’s thick stuff. I use a 22/1.5 and go straight in, 90 degrees. I’d be there all day with a 25g needle! You’d have to be VERY scrawny to use anything but a 90 degree angle in a gluteal muscle. Are you sure you are finding your landmarks for injection correctly? [/quote]
Yes, I used www.siteinjections.com and did everything that was explained to me on the site.
Am I missong something here? Why has no one suggested trying to inject in a different location. I shoot in the thigh and could not imagine having to pin in the ass.
I could not turn, bend around and hold the pin in a steady fashion. I normally use a 25g 1" pin but have recently switched to 22g 1.5" syringes. I like the 22 gage better even though larger. Try the thighs, much easier.
[quote]raiderUM wrote:
So now that we have figure out A.) need smaller needle and longer B.) two shot per week, instead of one. C.) Keep warming the oil (less painful) D.) Does it help to massage after injection?
Also, can anyone explain the swelling? Its not really sore or swollen at injection spot, but more swollen towards the top middle part of my gluteus??
What I am getting at here is I don’t really care about the pain…that will come and go. I just want to make sure everything I am doing is correct??[/quote]
As long as you don’t stick with what you said above about trying the 45 degree angle…I would absolutely NOT go at a 45 with only an inch long dart; if you want to experiment with his angle theory try it after you get inch and a half pins.
If I were you I’d stick that dart straight in (90) and deep, my guess is your injection didn’t go deep enough which means not only are you having subcutaneous issues but you will not absorb properly impairing your desired effect (wasting your juice).
[quote]raiderUM wrote:
Ok, the swelling really isn’t getting any better today. I’ve been taking Ib prof. as a pain killer and to keep the swelling down. What can I take to get this swelling to go away?? two days ago I couldn’t even put my left sock on, thats how bad it is. Should I just wait this out? or go to the doc.?[/quote]
Dude, you need to see a Dr. I’m on an identical cycle to yours and just did my third shot this morning in my ass. I referenced siteinjections too, used a 1.5" pin and cleaned the area thoroughly with alcohol.
I’ve never experienced anything like you’re describing. I’ve never heard of the 45 degrees idea (I used 90) but I don’t see how that could help given that, if this is an infection, the bacteria don’t care which direction they’re coming from!
I’ve had some “lumps” at the injection site form when using test prop in the past, but they were not painful to the touch and were gone in a day or two. You’ve been talking about this since Monday.
I think you are wrong my friend, first of all everyones body or system is different, some takes longer to metabolize the so called lumps, may take a day or even months, no worrys on that, but if after a few weeks it gets bigger then yeah go see a freakin doctor…hahah
You’d have to be VERY scrawny to use anything but a 90 degree angle in a gluteal muscle. Are you sure you are finding your landmarks for injection correctly?