[quote]Jchavezj wrote:
Recap:
Bulk 240 un real but i was assuming most of it was going to be fat. Really my main goal is to gain strength and fight in a welter weight devision 155-170.
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Wait wait wait…you’re an ectomorph and you’re afraid of gettng fat? Add to the fact of the MASSIVE amount of cardio that you do, are you just ignorant or just plain stupid?
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Jchavezj wrote:
Recap:
Bulk 240 un real but i was assuming most of it was going to be fat. Really my main goal is to gain strength and fight in a welter weight devision 155-170.
Wait wait wait…you’re an ectomorph and you’re afraid of gettng fat? Add to the fact of the MASSIVE amount of cardio that you do, are you just ignorant or just plain stupid?[/quote]
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20030813/ai_n12702227
Yeah I have to echo about the Bill Pearl thing. Vegetarians love to hold him as the shining example of “SEE you CAN do it!” when in reality he built his body on good old meat and basically mantained it with his vegetarian lifestyle. Still took in tons of milk and eggs however.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20030813/ai_n12702227
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Interesting. I’ll make sure I hit the creatine before final exams.
[quote]jit07 wrote:
Spry wrote:
I wish you all the best, Jchavezj, in your challenge.
jit07, should we punish a lion for killing another animal and eating it? What should the punishment be? Death?
I put to you, why is it wrong to eat another animal?
I think you missed my point. Eating other animals is right.
I am not a big beliver in absolutes like Right and Wrong.
Things which are right to me are wrong to other people. I have not found a universial definition of right and wrong which makes any sense.
My current theory is:
Right = Good for me or my loved ones.
Wrong = Bad for me or my loved ones.
Try it out. Eating animals gets a tick in the Right box.
About the lion, obviously the lion has no other choice but to kill and eat other animals- it’s necessary for his survival.
It’s a personal decision on how someone decides to eat. Many choose to be vegetarians based on their personal beliefs pertaining to health and ethics.
Humans don’t absolutely have to eat meat for survival if other food sources are available. You said it was “morally right” to eat meat as if it’s your duty to god to eat it. Like I said earlier, what someone chooses to eat is a personal choice.
I don’t think it’s right to kill an other animal if it isn’t necessary. Which in my case and many others it isn’t. Is a human life more important than say a dog’s life? A dog’s life more important than a squirrel’s? I can’t answer that, I’m not so sure myself. As humans we identify with other humans and therefor value our lives and other humans lives above other creature’s lives. Here’s an example; A cute little puppy gets run over by a truck and is killed. Everyone feels sad and terrible. However, a pig is slaughtered and served for Christmas dinner and everyone digs in not thinking about the pig who lost it’s life so that everyone could eat. Those who do think about that pig’s life sluff it off and continue to eat.
All I’m saying is… is it necessary to kill and eat an animal even though it isn’t vital to one’s survival? What makes one creature’s life more important than another?
If you choose to eat meat cool- that’s your choice. People have their own beliefs and those beliefs should be respected.
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Plants live, bacteria live, viruses live. But im sure that you eat plants, try and get rid of the flu and take antibiotics. A vegaterians view of life is just as predjudice as a person who eats meat. We draw the cut off line at humans, we avoid cannoblism and thats about it.
You draw a random, unnatural line in the sand between animals and non animals when literally everything in this world is responsible for supporting life in a various way. Why not protect the trees by ONLY eating meat? To me its simple a very stupid attempt at making a difference.
Respect the fact that whatever your eating has givin its life for you, and your good to go. Dont kill anything for no reason. Those are the rules you should live by. Not an arbitarily drawn line in the hierarchy of living organisms
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Jchavezj wrote:
Recap:
Bulk 240 un real but i was assuming most of it was going to be fat. Really my main goal is to gain strength and fight in a welter weight devision 155-170.
Wait wait wait…you’re an ectomorph and you’re afraid of gettng fat? Add to the fact of the MASSIVE amount of cardio that you do, are you just ignorant or just plain stupid?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20030813/ai_n12702227
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i never said i was afriad of getting fat. what i was trying to say the only reason i wanted to bulk to 240 because im an ectomorph veg and i was guessing most of the weight i would gain would be fat.
I was a vegetarian for 4 years during and after college and gave it up three years ago. I grew up in the country, we had chickens, my grandfather had hogs, and my uncle cattle, and I never really thought eating meat was immoral. Some parts of the meat industry we currently have are immoral, but I get around those by buying free-range, grass-fed, etc.
If you eat eggs and dairy, I think you could do it. Don’t be afraid of cholesterol and eat a dozen eggs a day. Also, lay off the soy. Obviously a high protein/fat diet is out of the question, but you might do well to cut down on grains, maybe limit them to 2 or 3 meals a day. I felt a great deal healthier when I not only started eating meat again, but cut out soy and went to a relatively low carb diet.
You’ll be alright as long as you are close to home, the problem is eating out. If you’re in a strange town for a day or more, you are pretty much fucked.
You guys trying to counter-argue with ‘we have teeth to bite into flesh,’ and ‘lions can kill animals, why can’t we?’ are missing the point:
Vegans aren’t mostly against the killing of animals, they are against HOW we currently kill them. Some of the current practices are really disturbing and I can understand some people wanting to make a statement and not eat meat.
I have always been a meat eater but have vegan friends, and I assure you it is not the mere idea of eating meat that bothers them but how the animal was tortured during the slaughtering process.
Good luck to you, OP, and definitely buy lots of Grow! Whey and Metabolic Drive, walnuts, olive oil, fish oil, avocados, and fruits and vegetables.
If you can at least eat fish, you will do fine. Otherwise, get most of your protein from powder and eggs.
Good god! Don’t you realize how much your carbon footprint will increase because of this bulk?
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
this one vegan i met at college said she classified food into “dead” and “living”, dead being meats, eggs, milk, etc, living being plants and grains. so i asked “but what about when you pick an apple, doesn’t it go from living to dead in that instant?” she didn’t really have an answer for that. i suppose if it made her happy, i could only eat meat off of animals that are still alive…haha. [/quote]
She didn’t kill the tree, merely ate it’s seed. You could let her eat your seed…
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
You guys trying to counter-argue with ‘we have teeth to bite into flesh,’ and ‘lions can kill animals, why can’t we?’ are missing the point:
Vegans aren’t mostly against the killing of animals, they are against HOW we currently kill them. Some of the current practices are really disturbing and I can understand some people wanting to make a statement and not eat meat.
I have always been a meat eater but have vegan friends, and I assure you it is not the mere idea of eating meat that bothers them but how the animal was tortured during the slaughtering process.[/quote]
Correct.
I am vegetarian because I disagree with the farming practices used. We treat livestock like products on a conveyer belt.
I have no qualm about free-range farming, or hunting for food.
[quote]Novitennis88 wrote:
I’ll hang u kids upside down from a meat hook then beat u till you die.
Then we’ll talk about whether its “morally right”[/quote]
Actually the cows walk up to what looks like a metal tube where a rod it shot out very, very quickly killing them instantly. They never feel a thing.
I would be happy to let you walk up to it and try it 
By the way no one ever beat a cow to death, that would take forever. The old way was to cut it’s throat, then hang it upside down.
[quote]vege_build wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
You guys trying to counter-argue with ‘we have teeth to bite into flesh,’ and ‘lions can kill animals, why can’t we?’ are missing the point:
Vegans aren’t mostly against the killing of animals, they are against HOW we currently kill them. Some of the current practices are really disturbing and I can understand some people wanting to make a statement and not eat meat.
I have always been a meat eater but have vegan friends, and I assure you it is not the mere idea of eating meat that bothers them but how the animal was tortured during the slaughtering process.
Correct.
I am vegetarian because I disagree with the farming practices used. We treat livestock like products on a conveyer belt.
I have no qualm about free-range farming, or hunting for food.[/quote]
I find this argument confusing since livestock ARE products, it’s just a matter of production efficiency. However if this is your main argument then I suggest you buy a gun, a big fridge, and a hunting license.