[quote]jit07 wrote:
Spry wrote:
If you’re lacto-ovo veg than you’re not completely doomed.
Eggs and Milk are good protein sources and should see you through.
But seriosuly - vegetarians are stupid:
Human body thrives on animal meat.
Morally right to kill and eat other animals.
How is it morally right to kill another animal?[/quote]
I’d post that question for you, jit07 …How is it morally wrong?
If you can eat cottage cheese you can have whey protein. I’d be drinking it all day if I were you. Other than that your diet doesn’t have enough protein in it.
Why is your squat so weak, did you get injured?
Its not impossible to gain weight on a vegetarian diet…its extremely difficult!!
You do realise you want to put the guts of 85 lb’s on without the aid of meat and other animal sources!? Your gonna have to really think about how and what your gonna eat! Other than that I dont know what to tell you, it goes way outside my field of knowledge but I do know it’ll be really really challenging! Ask Christian Thibadeau, he’sll be more than happy to help!
[quote]Hagar wrote:
If you can eat cottage cheese you can have whey protein. I’d be drinking it all day if I were you. Other than that your diet doesn’t have enough protein in it.
Why is your squat so weak, did you get injured?[/quote]
Basing the majority of your protein intake around dairy and whey is gunna be a mistake.
Yes…you are doomed.
Furthermore, You claim to do some heavy cardio activities like biking and MMA. To go from 155 to 240 and maintain a healthy heart, metabolism, and body composition would take roughly 6 years of brutal dedication.
Might want to aim a little lower there Tex.
If you enjoy MMA and biking, why in the fuck would you wanna weigh over 200 anyway?
Well, you definitely going to have to supplement. Your going to have to go for full profiled MRP’s rather than protein shakes. Tons of cottage cheese, peanut butter, nuts, flax seed oil, etc. Can you eat eggs? If so, eat about 2 dozen a day. I don’t have any fear you can get what you want done. It’s just a little harder if your vegetarian. It’s a lot fucking harder if your vegan, then you have to drink a 12 pack of beer every day to gain any weight. And your skin appears all gray and pasty…yuk.
[quote]Sinuous wrote:
Yes…you are doomed.
Furthermore, You claim to do some heavy cardio activities like biking and MMA. To go from 155 to 240 and maintain a healthy heart, metabolism, and body composition would take roughly 6 years of brutal dedication.
Might want to aim a little lower there Tex.
If you enjoy MMA and biking, why in the fuck would you wanna weigh over 200 anyway?[/quote]
Oh crap…He’s right. I missed your starting weight somehow. For ome reason I thought you were around 200…You’ll wanna aim for about 180 to start. Arnold weighed between 220 and 240 through out his career. He did gear, was tall, and he ate an assload of meat. 180 first then see how your feel about more weight.
I’m sorry to disappoint everyone here. But the only way to win the Vegetarian argument is not to play.
ALL Successful vegan and hardcore vegetarian bodybuilders got their mass from eating Beef, Turkey, Chicken, Fish, Eggs, and in some cases Pork (the worst non man-made food I can think of right now). So making significant size gains on a vegetarian diet without dairy or egg products is essentially impossible unless you eat beans ALL DAY LONG.
If you take the most existential view of ethics regarding humans eating animals, you can easily argue that this whole “food chain” argument makes no sense. Sure, in order to be a strength athlete or in order to get jacked you need to eat meat and eating meat may make you happy but the fact of the matter is raising animals as food sources is grossly inefficient and, even if killing animals is ethical, humanity and the biosphere would be much healthier if people were consuming less as vegetarians.
But there is light at the end of the tunnel. True Free Range farming practices are not detrimental to the planet because old-school Free Rage farming techniques accomplish the impossible by creating something from nothing. With 100 acres of grass, a farmer can produce thousands of pounds of meet a year as long as he does not have so many animals that his grass becomes over-grazed and is able to regrow itself before it is consumed again by the livestock.
So instead of making a difference by becoming a vegetarian, you should make a difference by purchasing ethically and efficiently produced free-range meats. Expecting people to become vegetarians in order to better the world is absurdly ideological and will never work. Returning to free-range farming techniques is a movement that actually can do a great deal of good for the world.
As for the ethics regarding killing these “ethically” produced free range animals, they need to be harvested so that the free-range model continues to work and the grazing land does not become over-stressed by a population it cannot handle. And if you suggest that we should just stop raising animals altogether, then cows, chickens, hogs, and many other animals will become extinct AND mankind will be without meat. Nobody wins.
And what about the ethical dilemma of killing animals? Most Religious-based ethics say it’s ok. And if your ethics don’t come from God or some sort of Religion but you’re not a Nihilist (I’m assuming since you’re a vegetarian) then you will have to look to yourself to find the objective moral truth regarding the killing of animals for your desire to get jacked.
What does my set of morals tell me? To be strong. So if I’ve got to be responsible for the slaughter and abortion of 1 trillion chickens to reach my goals then fine. I matter more than the chickens.
[quote]tw0scoops2 wrote:
Hagar wrote:
If you can eat cottage cheese you can have whey protein. I’d be drinking it all day if I were you. Other than that your diet doesn’t have enough protein in it.
Why is your squat so weak, did you get injured?
Basing the majority of your protein intake around dairy and whey is gunna be a mistake.[/quote]
What else is he going to use? Incase you missed it the OP is a vegetarian. He’d definitely go farther with some eggs in the mix but I don’t think he eats them.
I just read the OP’s post again and missed the part about bulking to 240. This dude needs to pull his head out of his ass and come to grips with reality.
i wonder how many vegan bodybuilders juice
[quote]dom wrote:
i wonder how many vegan bodybuilders juice[/quote]
I would imagine Zero.
Recap:
Bulk 240 un real but i was assuming most of it was going to be fat. Really my main goal is to gain strength and fight in a welter weight devision 155-170.
I do consume dairy products (milks,eggs,etc.)
What’s the reason for no meat?
Health reasons, beliefs, no contributing to awful industries out there. and exploiting of animals. Im not here to force ideas on other people. I don’t argue what’s right or wrong. i Believe its someone’s choice to choose to eat meat or not.
Quick vid
Do you eat fish?
No fish just dairy products and animal products.
Why is your squat so weak, did you get injured?
Whenever i used to squat in HS my left knee always felt like it would give out. Later i found out after running frequently 5 miles plus a day. My leg shot up and i could not bend it. I went the the hospital and i had non cancerous tumor on the inside of my knee half the size of my palm. Sadly my squat used to be lower before my surgery. Only 95 ilbs
If you enjoy MMA and biking, why in the fuck would you wanna weigh over 200 anyway?
I was assuming to be alble to reach a solid 170 i would have to put on shit load of weight plus fat because im an ectomorph with an active lifestyle.
Diet Recap:
Right now im taking gnc mega isolate 50gram protein 220 calories.
Jug is about out i want to switch to something cheaper
Im going to come up with a days worth of eating and right it out and see what you guys think.
Ideas: milk and whey mix drink gallon through out the day
Cottage cheese
eggs
beans
pat36 wrote:
full profiled MRP’s rather than protein shakes.
Tons of cottage cheese, peanut butter, nuts, flax seed oil, etc.
breakfast:
maybe flax and
Questions:
What are some solid training programs for ectomorphs to put on mass with an active lifestyle?
Basing the majority of your protein intake around dairy and whey is gunna be a mistake.
Why is this a mistake?
What are mrps?
Christian Thibaudeau how can i get a hold of him?
Supplements i take: animal pack multi vitamin
Creatine
fish oil
Tonalin CLA
Ps. After i get everything planned out. I want to do some kind of online blog showing pictures monthly stats weight what i ate daily. To show progress and something to learn off of. And i know if im posting it online i will stick to it and go full throttle.
[quote]Jchavezj wrote:
I was assuming to be alble to reach a solid 170 i would have to put on shit load of weight plus fat because im an ectomorph with an active lifestyle.
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And you are worried about the possible health consequences of eating meat!?
You’d be better off health wise with moderate meat and steroids than with that disgusting sounding idea of packing on 70 lbs of fat.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Jchavezj wrote:
I was assuming to be alble to reach a solid 170 i would have to put on shit load of weight plus fat because im an ectomorph with an active lifestyle.
And you are worried about the possible health consequences of eating meat!?
You’d be better off health wise with moderate meat and steroids than with that disgusting sounding idea of packing on 70 lbs of fat. [/quote]
lol i never said i was an expert in this field. Thats why im hear for advice not criticism.
IMO all morals and ethics aside, trying to get big without meat is like trying to get big without using weights.
You mentioned you wanted to switch to a cheaper protein powder. DON’T do it. Buy a more expensive, better quality one. Buy a variety of protein powders: egg, whey, casein, etc, etc, etc all top quality. Yes it will be expensive. Eat a variety of fats and all types of beans. Import them if you have to.
Basically what you are trying to accomplish is bodybuilding using supplements as part of your nutritional base, which is what most coaches advice against. It would be a lot better if you added in even a little fish.
[quote]BIGZEUS wrote:
IMO all morals and ethics aside, trying to get big without meat is like trying to get big without using weights.
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1,000 Pull-ups and 1,000 Push-up/Squat Thrusts every morning.
Gorilla Wrestling, Row-Boating Through Mud, and LubmerJackerry at Noon.
For Dinner, your one meal of the day, you go find a Wild Boar, Elephant, Moose, Cougar, Lion, Tiger, Bear, Alligator, or some other ferocious beast. You fight it and kill it with only your bear hands. Then you eat it. Everything but the digestive tract. When you finish eating, no matter how many days it takes, your “Day” is over.
Go out in the wilderness and follow this plan for 5 years. You’ll be jacked. And even if you aren’t I’m not going to tell you that your not if you ask me.
I know I’m being argumentitive now but I just can’t resist.
Where does fish oil come from? Are little fishies actually minced to manufacture fish oil caps?
You are going to have to stop taking fish oil to remain a true vegetarian.
High fives all round for us omnivores!
read my old posts i said i take animal products i just dont eat meat
But little fishies suffered! How could you, you animal hater?
LOL
