[quote]LoRez wrote:
But I suppose when you’re talking dominance, you’re not talking about enslaving her. Nor obsessively micromanaging every aspect of her life.[/quote]
Thats domineering.
I have stolen this and I would quote source, but a virus has wrecked my Firefox…
Anyhow:
So there.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Could you all define humiliation? Just curious[/quote]
Poo
[/quote]
just listening to Deb say poo turns me on~
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
No such thing as an equal relationship, one always leads and it should be you. [/quote]
You can lead without dominating. You can follow without submitting.[/quote]
No, you cant.[/quote]
No?[/quote]
No, and I find the squirming in this thread to avoid the word “dominance” amusing.
Yall know that it works, you know that women want it, but for some reason it does not sit right.
Either it must be “playful” and “confined to the bedroom”, or conflated with other stuff, or arranged just so that she is effectively dominating from the bottom…
No.
Its ok to go out and conquer, its ok to try to take control of your environment, its ok swoop up a woman and take her along for the ride and its ok to WANT TO.
Its just not easy, especially not in todays society, which is why men are not born but MADE.
If you lead and she follows, you are dominating her and, since you probably do not have her on a leash in your dungeon, she probably stays because that is the way she likes it.[/quote]
I think this is another example of the manosphere/PUA’s tendency to view the world in black and white. I think leadership is the trait that women seek, not dominance. If you lead and she follows, then she is willing to follow - how does that make her “dominated”? What happens when she chooses not to follow in certain circumstances? Does she have to? Will someone’s fragile sense of self be threatened if she balks?
Women like men who are confident and strong. Feminine women tend to be flexible and agreeable by nature, which may suggest that they are pliable. However, I think men also seek strength and confidence in a partner. Strength and confidence in an agreeable and flexible woman suggest she is NOT dominated, but rather following by choice. Pliable only insofar as she is able to be without compromising her own values.
Dominated = cowed.
Even sexually there is room for female aggression, or at least one hopes there is. While I may not be a able to tackle someone to the ground who outweighs me by 80 lbs, I can certainly try - here is where the playful comes in, no? Because my aggression is met with male size and strength. Very sexy, that.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
No such thing as an equal relationship, one always leads and it should be you. [/quote]
You can lead without dominating. You can follow without submitting.[/quote]
No, you cant.[/quote]
No?[/quote]
No, and I find the squirming in this thread to avoid the word “dominance” amusing.
Yall know that it works, you know that women want it, but for some reason it does not sit right.
Either it must be “playful” and “confined to the bedroom”, or conflated with other stuff, or arranged just so that she is effectively dominating from the bottom…
No.
Its ok to go out and conquer, its ok to try to take control of your environment, its ok swoop up a woman and take her along for the ride and its ok to WANT TO.
Its just not easy, especially not in todays society, which is why men are not born but MADE.
If you lead and she follows, you are dominating her and, since you probably do not have her on a leash in your dungeon, she probably stays because that is the way she likes it.[/quote]
I think this is another example of the manosphere/PUA’s tendency to view the world in black and white. I think leadership is the trait that women seek, not dominance. If you lead and she follows, then she is willing to follow - how does that make her “dominated”? What happens when she chooses not to follow in certain circumstances? Does she have to? Will someone’s fragile sense of self be threatened if she balks?
Women like men who are confident and strong. Feminine women tend to be flexible and agreeable by nature, which may suggest that they are pliable. However, I think men also seek strength and confidence in a partner. Strength and confidence in an agreeable and flexible woman suggest she is NOT dominated, but rather following by choice. Pliable only insofar as she is able to be without compromising her own values.
Dominated = cowed.
Even sexually there is room for female aggression, or at least one hopes there is. While I may not be a able to tackle someone to the ground who outweighs me by 80 lbs, I can certainly try - here is where the playful comes in, no? Because my aggression is met with male size and strength. Very sexy, that.
[/quote]
Yeah, thats dancing around the issue.
Also, if a woman tells you how to do it properly she is dominating from the bottom, which is no bueno…
“I listen to you, but I do not obey you” may be aggravating in the short run but it is sexy as hell and you know it.
It is the same as you trying to tackle him and fail, its “run up against big strong man and see if he can take it” just on an emotional level.
Which would be a nice way of explaining what a shittest is.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I think this is another example of the manosphere/PUA’s tendency to view the world in black and white. [/quote]
No, that is you hamstering away what does not sit right.
It ought not be true, therefore it cannot be true.
Yes, someone fragile sense of self will be threathened - hers.
Because all you have to do is to take that leadership away from her to show her how much she wants it.
You are too conflating dominant and domineering.
Someone who is domineering needs to control his surroundings because he is deeply insecure, someone who is dominant provides strenght and order because he can, not because he must.
So in conclusion:
Yes, you are a bitch.
Hehehehehe
/thread
I have decided a bad idea!!
Because of his previous women-ings I have decided he probably has no idea what it feels like to really be cared about by a woman.
So I am going to care about him.
Because I care about him and I miss him and his little face
I got him a gift
It’s a thoughtful one
YES I AM A FUCKING IDIOT
But my heart guides me
Into stupid, emotionally painful places
I’ll cry later, maybe…
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I have decided a bad idea!!
Because of his previous women-ings I have decided he probably has no idea what it feels like to really be cared about by a woman.
So I am going to care about him.
Because I care about him and I miss him and his little face
I got him a gift
It’s a thoughtful one
YES I AM A FUCKING IDIOT
But my heart guides me
Into stupid, emotionally painful places
I’ll cry later, maybe…[/quote]
Wow. This is your bipolar-ness in full swing. I can’t really believe what I’m reading.
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I have decided a bad idea!!
Because of his previous women-ings I have decided he probably has no idea what it feels like to really be cared about by a woman.
So I am going to care about him.
Because I care about him and I miss him and his little face
I got him a gift
It’s a thoughtful one
YES I AM A FUCKING IDIOT
But my heart guides me
Into stupid, emotionally painful places
I’ll cry later, maybe…[/quote]
You’re doing crap like this on purpose now and making me not give a hoot.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I have decided a bad idea!!
Because of his previous women-ings I have decided he probably has no idea what it feels like to really be cared about by a woman.
So I am going to care about him.
Because I care about him and I miss him and his little face
I got him a gift
It’s a thoughtful one
YES I AM A FUCKING IDIOT
But my heart guides me
Into stupid, emotionally painful places
I’ll cry later, maybe…[/quote]
Wow. This is your bipolar-ness in full swing. I can’t really believe what I’m reading.[/quote]
It’s like a case study happening right before your eyes, both on some simple psychology and red-pill type things.
Its like convincing someone to go to rehab, only to have them check themselves out 3 days later and go right back to the needle.
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I have decided a bad idea!!
Because of his previous women-ings I have decided he probably has no idea what it feels like to really be cared about by a woman.
So I am going to care about him.
Because I care about him and I miss him and his little face
I got him a gift
It’s a thoughtful one
YES I AM A FUCKING IDIOT
But my heart guides me
Into stupid, emotionally painful places
I’ll cry later, maybe…[/quote]
You cannot make people care by giving more if they give less.
I have thoroughly explored where that road leads to and it does not lead anywhere where you want to be.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I have decided a bad idea!!
Because of his previous women-ings I have decided he probably has no idea what it feels like to really be cared about by a woman.
So I am going to care about him.
Because I care about him and I miss him and his little face
I got him a gift
It’s a thoughtful one
YES I AM A FUCKING IDIOT
But my heart guides me
Into stupid, emotionally painful places
I’ll cry later, maybe…[/quote]
You’re doing crap like this on purpose now and making me not give a hoot.
[/quote]
She is young, she is confused.
She already has made progress, now she slides back again, then she will make more progress, then she will slide back again…
Growing pains.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I have decided a bad idea!!
Because of his previous women-ings I have decided he probably has no idea what it feels like to really be cared about by a woman.
So I am going to care about him.
Because I care about him and I miss him and his little face
I got him a gift
It’s a thoughtful one
YES I AM A FUCKING IDIOT
But my heart guides me
Into stupid, emotionally painful places
I’ll cry later, maybe…[/quote]
You’re doing crap like this on purpose now and making me not give a hoot.
[/quote]
She is young, she is confused.
She already has made progress, now she slides back again, then she will make more progress, then she will slide back again…
Growing pains. [/quote]
It’s not her heart, it is her chemically unbalanced brain and low self esteem that has her doing stupid irrational things. He probably won’t give a damn about a completely random gift. He will just see the move as her being a dumb enough chick to still like him after he said she wasn’t girlfriend material and then proceeded have sex with another girl. It does seem a bit psychotic how she has decided for him that he does not know what is like to be cared about by a woman. In fact he very likely is not heart broken at all or missing Spock unless he needs a place to put his cock.
Growing Pains? Isn’t she is middle aged with a kid not 15 trying win a young boys heart with gifts.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I have decided a bad idea!!
Because of his previous women-ings I have decided he probably has no idea what it feels like to really be cared about by a woman.
So I am going to care about him.
Because I care about him and I miss him and his little face
I got him a gift
It’s a thoughtful one
YES I AM A FUCKING IDIOT
But my heart guides me
Into stupid, emotionally painful places
I’ll cry later, maybe…[/quote]
You cannot make people care by giving more if they give less.
I have thoroughly explored where that road leads to and it does not lead anywhere where you want to be. [/quote]
This is a really good post…thanks buddy.
Things just happened the other day and my feelings changed, that’s all.
Actually they never went away so this just made it harder to fight them/lie to myself.
Whatevskies
So quickly reading over this…
You are lowering your own standards in a means to try and force a relationship with someone who doesn’t meet your own criteria. Are you trying to force him into being something he is not?
It sounds like you found out early that it is likely not going to work, why would you spend more of your time trying to make it work when you can end it now versus possibly having to end it 5+ years from now?
People often think in the short term(moment), thus you are thinking about how you feel now not the big picture
(edit):
regardless good luck either way
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I have decided a bad idea!!
Because of his previous women-ings I have decided he probably has no idea what it feels like to really be cared about by a woman.
So I am going to care about him.
Because I care about him and I miss him and his little face
I got him a gift
It’s a thoughtful one
YES I AM A FUCKING IDIOT
But my heart guides me
Into stupid, emotionally painful places
I’ll cry later, maybe…[/quote]
You’re doing crap like this on purpose now and making me not give a hoot.
[/quote]
She is young, she is confused.
She already has made progress, now she slides back again, then she will make more progress, then she will slide back again…
Growing pains. [/quote]
Young? Is she not damn near 30 and with a kid?
I think is has been mentioned before and I don’t want to sound like an asshole but, this girl needs a professional help. Just by reading this thread she seems to have issues that a thread are not going to solve.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Spock81 wrote:
I have decided a bad idea!!
Because of his previous women-ings I have decided he probably has no idea what it feels like to really be cared about by a woman.
So I am going to care about him.
Because I care about him and I miss him and his little face
I got him a gift
It’s a thoughtful one
YES I AM A FUCKING IDIOT
But my heart guides me
Into stupid, emotionally painful places
I’ll cry later, maybe…[/quote]
You’re doing crap like this on purpose now and making me not give a hoot.
[/quote]
She is young, she is confused.
She already has made progress, now she slides back again, then she will make more progress, then she will slide back again…
Growing pains. [/quote]
Young? Is she not damn near 30 and with a kid?
I think is has been mentioned before and I don’t want to sound like an asshole but, this girl needs a professional help. Just by reading this thread she seems to have issues that a thread are not going to solve.
[/quote]
She also still lives at home which is a good thing, in that the grandparents can take care of her kid and give him/her some stability while Spock81’s out making terrible life choices.
edited for clarity
Okay how dare you.
My son and I have a wonderful relationship and I take very good care of him and that is just.
No.
Fuck you.
I am done with this.
None of your business
You do not KNOW anything!!
Nobody knows anything really, nobody is there!! You know typed words!! You don’t know real people or emotions.
You can’t act like you have a fucking clue or like you can all doctor me!!! Jesus Christ.
No.
that was the last straw.
Nobody has the right to bring up my son like that.
