i was at a shoe store yesterday, looking for chucks to pull with, and there were low-tops high-tops and some had a little bump where the arc in your foot should be… are any chucks better than others for pulling?
vibram five fingers google it
[quote]Zohaib wrote:
vibram five fingers google it[/quote]
never heard of them
[quote]fireflyz wrote:
Agreed. I will say that flat footwear for squats and deadlifts are important, but outside of that, it’s not too big of a deal. I see way too many guys trying to squat in running shoes or basketball shoes and thier heels are completely off the ground. That’s just asking for trouble.[/quote]
You could rationalize it as heel elevated squats… I mean what’s the point of taking your shoes off just to put dimes under your feet anyways =p My running shoes prioritize quad development in my squatting, WHAT NOW???
(Some sarcasm involved in that post, I’m more with HolyMac on this, I mean unless you really have some sort of discomfort/issue with squatting/DLs that is directly attributable to your footwear, who the fuck cares?)
[quote]red04 wrote:
fireflyz wrote:
Agreed. I will say that flat footwear for squats and deadlifts are important, but outside of that, it’s not too big of a deal. I see way too many guys trying to squat in running shoes or basketball shoes and thier heels are completely off the ground. That’s just asking for trouble.
You could rationalize it as heel elevated squats… I mean what’s the point of taking your shoes off just to put dimes under your feet anyways =p My running shoes prioritize quad development in my squatting, WHAT NOW???
(Some sarcasm involved in that post, I’m more with HolyMac on this, I mean unless you really have some sort of discomfort/issue with squatting/DLs that is directly attributable to your footwear, who the fuck cares?)[/quote]
I’d have to disagree. I know you’re being sarcastic, but the difference between having something solid like plates under your heels to specifically target the quads and having air (nothing) supporting your heels is a vast difference.
To each thier own…chucks keep my heels flat which keeps my form good which keeps my numbers going up and my body injury free.
As to the earlier post…it’s the soles that matter, not the fabric ontop. So personal preference as to low or high top.
[quote]fireflyz wrote:
red04 wrote:
fireflyz wrote:
Agreed. I will say that flat footwear for squats and deadlifts are important, but outside of that, it’s not too big of a deal. I see way too many guys trying to squat in running shoes or basketball shoes and thier heels are completely off the ground. That’s just asking for trouble.
You could rationalize it as heel elevated squats… I mean what’s the point of taking your shoes off just to put dimes under your feet anyways =p My running shoes prioritize quad development in my squatting, WHAT NOW???
(Some sarcasm involved in that post, I’m more with HolyMac on this, I mean unless you really have some sort of discomfort/issue with squatting/DLs that is directly attributable to your footwear, who the fuck cares?)
I’d have to disagree. I know you’re being sarcastic, but the difference between having something solid like plates under your heels to specifically target the quads and having air (nothing) supporting your heels is a vast difference.
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A little lift can help form, too. My wife is very flexible but if she squats flat footed with her Vibrams she seems to be incapable of good form. I make her put fives under her heels and it makes all the difference in the world.
There was an article here a couple of months back about this. It recommended chucks as an alternative. I tried them and haven’t looked back ever since. You have to get them 1 size too big though so your feet are fee to spread.
[quote]jaybvee wrote:
There’s been numerous threads about the Vibram Five Finger KSOs & Five Fingers in general - they get their fans & haters all over T-Nation but bottom line use what works for YOU.
I myself have 3 pairs of KSOs (love the hell out of them (1 black pair I am wearing into the ground at the gym & 2 more for backup when they wear out - & if you’ve seen how thin the soles are on these babies, you’ll understand they last but not that long) but they do not float everyone’s boat. A lot of Chuck Taylor lovers out there so to each their own.
I would NOT however go the poor man’s route to the extent I would “hollow out” some ball kicks - buy some Chucks or water shoes, even to protect your feet & form at the least - foot injuries suck man.
Invest in a pair of decent shoes you like for the gym - when you think about it you are investing in yourself & your health/safety. [/quote]
As a side note, I have a pair of vibram KSO’s I bought last year for christmas… I have run over 500 miles in them (two 5ks and a few 8+ mile runs with friends), wear them every day just about (unless we are pouring metal and I have to throw on my saftey shoes), and always have them for the gym… I really have not worn them out, if you drag your heel a lot I guess I could see it but otherwise, mine are perfectly fine… They do stretch a bit though, so get a size smaller then feels right when you buy them new…
Also, get a few pairs of Injinji socks… otherwise you have to wash the shoes twice a week, with socks you can go months…
I love the old school Asics Tiger. Pretty similar to what you guys are looking for (minimal shoe, light with little padding…)
You can usually pick em up on sale for 40 bucks too over at Amazon.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
BTW try the Puma H Street[/quote]
This is actually a really good option that everyone always seems to ignore… a good set of Puma’s are a very good barefoot style choice… I had a pair I lifted with for years, they have no real support other then a small small pad for cushioning (never really notice it) and a flat sole that is very thin…
all in all, I’d still go with the vibrams cause they curiously different… then again, I have a lava lamp on my desk so take my opinion with a grain of salt…
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
i really don’t understand.
i think everyone in here needs to worry more about eating good and lifting heavy weight.
at this point, who cares what effing shoe you wear?[/quote]
holy mac, you and your practicality…
I wear Chucks. Have for years.
Does anyone have an opinion on Otomix mid high weight training shoes. I used to have a pair and loved squatting in them, they have thin soles and are supposed to be designed for training. A little pricey at 99.00 but they are worth it, you dont hike in running shoes, and you dont run in crosstrainers right ( well not if you want to keep your ankles and feet injury clear)
About Nike Frees - I have a pair for running, they are part-way towards a barefoot style, light, comfy, lots of flex, toes get to move around. But I don’t think I’d lift in them. They have quite a bit of heel, and they are not very stable. You might tend to slide off them laterally under a load. Vibram five-fingers seem like a better idea, if you don’t mind people commenting on your shoes (a friend who loves them describes the look as “freakazoid”). I have followed T-Nation advice and use Chuck Taylors, which are cheap, flat and stable.
http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/
I started using these five fingers for running after I read about them in Wired magazine of all places. They facilitated tremendous development with the smaller muscles in my feet and legs. I then started using them when deadlifting and can’t imaging how I lifted with regular shoes. Try 'em out and you will be glad you did.
Those Five Finger shoes are ridiculous. Why on earth would you spend money to have those when you can just wear socks, and take your shoes off when you squat or deadlift…
[quote]BruceBanner wrote:
Those Five Finger shoes are ridiculous. Why on earth would you spend money to have those when you can just wear socks, and take your shoes off when you squat or deadlift…[/quote]
I said I use them primarily for running, read my post before you criticize. They were purchased as a running trainer shoe, to help strengthen the smaller muscles in my legs and feet, thus preventing injury and helping with shin splints etc and overall development. When you strive to do something well, spending money on it isn’t a primary concern, and for the needs that it fulfills and the development it has brought, the price is minuscule. Read before you speak please.
Also, as with all posts, it is simply a suggestion, not law, and is for the consideration of the OP.
Do you ever get crap for wearing the five fingers at a gym? I think they wouldn’t fly at mine
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I started using these five fingers for running after I read about them in Wired magazine of all places. They facilitated tremendous development with the smaller muscles in my feet and legs. I then started using them when deadlifting and can’t imaging how I lifted with regular shoes. Try 'em out and you will be glad you did.[/quote]
Man I LOVE my vibram shoes! I use them for running as well but a little hard on gravel roads/paths. I agree on the “can’t imagine how I lifted with regular shoes”. I bet I’ll be able to lift more wearing them than regular shoes. I even use them for biking! My toes have got a lot stronger and has aided in over foot strength. I feel I have so much more balance.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Do you ever get crap for wearing the five fingers at a gym? I think they wouldn’t fly at mine
As for the gym most places would allow them I think.[/quote]
I think most gym people would want to learn about them then not let you wear them in their gym. You can always ask and even shoe them a picture to them. Seriously I would recommend them to everyone, or to at least try them.
[quote]BruceBanner wrote:
Those Five Finger shoes are ridiculous. Why on earth would you spend money to have those when you can just wear socks, and take your shoes off when you squat or deadlift…
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Who wants to unlace and retie their shoes all the time? Plus most gyms think it’s unsanitary for you workout in your socks.