Hey, I have been using TRT for a few months now and I am currently following the taper protocol to come off cylce.
I read in an article on this site called The Testosterone Toolbox for TRT that described a supplement approach to raising testosterone. It’s a Alpha Male/Rez-V Stack.
They clam that this stack can:
Stimulate Luteinizing hormone, thereby stimulating Testosterone production
â?¢ Lower progesterone and prolactin
â?¢ Control the conversion of DHEA into Testosterone
â?¢ Act as both an estrogen antagonist and an aromatase inhibitor
â?¢ Increase Testosterone without causing testicular shutdown
â?¢ Promote blood vessel health and cardiovascular health
â?¢ Exhibit anti-cancer effects, particularly anti prostate-cancer effects
â?¢ Exhibit anti-aging effects
â?¢ Promote fat loss
I’m wondering if this would be a good supplement when going off cycle. In other words, TRT would be the strong stuff and this supplement stack would be an aid when coming off cycle without creating negative feedback on HTPA. Any thoughts or experiences with these supplements? Any ideas where the best source would be for them? Thank you.
[quote]snakeoids wrote:
Hey, I have been using TRT for a few months now and I am currently following the taper protocol to come off cylce.
I read in an article on this site called The Testosterone Toolbox for TRT that described a supplement approach to raising testosterone. It’s a Alpha Male/Rez-V Stack.
They clam that this stack can:
Stimulate Luteinizing hormone, thereby stimulating Testosterone production
â?¢ Lower progesterone and prolactin
â?¢ Control the conversion of DHEA into Testosterone
â?¢ Act as both an estrogen antagonist and an aromatase inhibitor
â?¢ Increase Testosterone without causing testicular shutdown
â?¢ Promote blood vessel health and cardiovascular health
â?¢ Exhibit anti-cancer effects, particularly anti prostate-cancer effects
â?¢ Exhibit anti-aging effects
â?¢ Promote fat loss
I’m wondering if this would be a good supplement when going off cycle. In other words, TRT would be the strong stuff and this supplement stack would be an aid when coming off cycle without creating negative feedback on HTPA. Any thoughts or experiences with these supplements? Any ideas where the best source would be for them? Thank you.[/quote]
From what I have read from other websites, tribulus (main ingredient in Alpha Male) is counterproductive for trying to regain your HPTA. It can actually hinder HPTA function. In my case, tribulus was part of the equation that CAUSED low testosterone. I would reccomend staying away from the Alpha Male. The only real way to come off of TRT and regain your HPTA is to:
(a.) wait (possibly for months or longer) and hope that it restarts on its own
(b.) follow a restart protocol using HCG, tamoxifen, and clomid.
The reason that I’m stopping TRT is because I’m concerned of long term effects of HPTA shutdown. I have to admit that the TRT results for me were quite good. In an ideal world I would not go off it.
I’ve been following a taper protocol with essentially has a status period (i.e. 4 weeks of just test and perhaps an AI) and then another four weeks of tapering off the amount of test and using a serm such as Nolvadex.
The concern is that I’ll have a falloff of test levels during this cycling out of TRT. However it has been suggested that Nolvadex is useful to get the HPTA going again in full swing. I’ll have to get some labs done to see if there’s any progress in this area.
TRT is not a cycle. Guys go onto TRT because their HPTA is already useless. You can’t break broken.
Going back to useless would be wrong. What are the long term effects of needing and not doing TRT? Those effects are much worse than HPTA shutdown while on TRT. You should have been protecting your testes with hCG when on TRT.
As a general rule, you need to reduce things that are HPTA repressive, and that might include low dose anastrozole.
[quote]chemman wrote:
From what I have read from other websites, tribulus (main ingredient in Alpha Male) is counterproductive for trying to regain your HPTA. It can actually hinder HPTA function. In my case, tribulus was part of the equation that CAUSED low testosterone. I would reccomend staying away from the Alpha Male. The only real way to come off of TRT and regain your HPTA is to:
(a.) wait (possibly for months or longer) and hope that it restarts on its own
(b.) follow a restart protocol using HCG, tamoxifen, and clomid.
Whay are you stopping TRT?[/quote]
This is just not true. Tribulus stimulates production of LH from the HTPA (in a normal functioning axis). More LH in turn will stimulate T production in healthy testes. This is not an exogenous function, but rather an endogenous dump in T.
Because it is not exogenous, nor is it using a real steroid (which can inhibit HTPA function in high enough doses or length of time) no down regulation will happen.
Its a good idea to cycle things because the body does have set genetic points for T production, and will lower LH stimulus over time of continuous use. But the worst that will happen if one stays on tribulus w/out cycling off, will be that it will simply be rendered ineffective.
If anything, the extra LH stimulus is good for the leydig cells.
Using all three (hcG/clomid/tamox) is a bad idea, especially hcG. hcG technically has anabolic affects, and will only further HTPA shutdown.
A standalone cycle of Clomid and Tribulus would actually be a much better idea, along with something like Growth Hormone, to resensitize leydig cells and create a pubertal state, to kick start the HTPA.